Eddie | 2024-03-11 21:16:04 UTC | #1 # Kittens Game: Combinatorics Mafia Hosted by @May, cohosted by @Garfooled, reviewed by @Luka (with @Zone_Q11 supervising). Combinatorics Mafia was designed by Nintor of Nintendo Loop. --- All of my kittens in Kittens Game will live forever, and they will never starve to death due to my carelessness. To reflect this, I will be hosting a mafia game in which nobody dies. --- In this mafia variant, there are no deaths or eliminations. Instead, both factions face a symmetrical combinatoric challenge. The town, the uninformed majority, must locate the mafia, and the mafia must avoid this and locate a group of masons. - During the day phase, players vote on who to send to jail for the night. At the end of the day, the three players with the most votes will be sent to jail, and a public announcement will reveal how many of them are mafia. - During the night phase, the mafia may select three players to beam. At the end of the night, a public announcement will reveal how many beamed players were masons (but not who was beamed). - If all three mafia players are sent to jail at once, town will win. If all three masons are beamed at once, the town will have one last day phase to identify the mafia. If they fail, the mafia will win. --- # Rules - Follow the [Forum Game Rules](https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/18). (This includes: no excessive AtE, no personal attacks, no angleshooting, et cetera.) - You must meet the minimum of 10 posts every day phase or be replaced. - Due to the nature of this game, some players may become unkillable outed evils. Attempts to disrupt game conversation via spam are against the rules. --- # Mechanics ## Standard Mechanics - Day phases will last 48 hours, night phases will last 24 hours. Night actions will lock one hour before the end of the phase. - The mafia and the masons may both communicate privately on Discord at all times. - Flavour is not alignment indicative. Your kitten's stats and profession are purely flavour, and not game-relevant. ## Special Mechanics - During the day, everybody votes on three players to send to jail for the night. At the end of the day, it will be revealed how many of these three players were mafia. - Each player may vote for up to three different players. Players may also vote for "no prisoner" up to three times; if an instance of "no prisoner" is in the top three votes, no player will be sent to jail in that spot. There is no hammer. - Ties will be resolved randomly within the tie. - During the night, the mafia select three players to beam. At the end of the night, a public announcement will reveal how many beamed players were masons (but not who was beamed). --- # Roles 1. **[color=]Vanilla Town[/color]** 2. **[color=]Vanilla Town[/color]** 3. **[color=]Vanilla Town[/color]** 4. **[color=]Vanilla Town[/color]** 5. **[color=]Vanilla Town[/color]** 6. **[color=]Vanilla Town[/color]** 7. **[color=green]Mason[/color]** 8. **[color=green]Mason[/color]** 9. **[color=green]Mason[/color]** 10. **[color=red]Mafia Goon[/color]** 11. **[color=red]Mafia Goon[/color]** 12. **[color=#ff4444]Mafoa Goon[/color]** --- # Rolecards > # [color=]Vanilla Town[/color] > Welcome, [player]! You are [kitten], the [color=]**Vanilla Town**[/color]. > > You have no special abilities. **You win if all mafia members are sent to jail simultaneously.** > # [color=green]Mason[/color] > Welcome, [player]! You are [kitten], the [color=green]**Mason**[/color]. > > You may freely chat with the other masons at any time on Discord. The mafia’s win condition is to guess all three masons. **You win if all mafia members are sent to jail simultaneously.** > # [color=red]Mafia Goon[/color] > Welcome, [player]! You are [kitten], the [color=red]**Mafia Goon**[/color]. > > You may freely chat with the other mafia at any time on Discord. **You win if all masons are beamed simultaneously and the town does not win on the following day.** --- # Playerlist 1. Zugzwang 2. tutuu 3. Ash 4. Frostwolf103 5. Marluna 6. Someone 7. Bionic 8. Hippopablompoyeetus 9. beancat 10. Kiiruma 11. guavagudetama 12. SirDerpsAlot # Backups 1. YouButWorse 2. Chloe 3. Leafia 4. # Spectators 1. ElizaThePsycho 2. Ruby 3. Litten 4. pandora 5. benguinedparbecue 6. # Threadmarks 1. [How to vote](https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/kittens-game-combinatorics-mafia-pregame/7398/3?u=eddie) 2. [Day 1 start](https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/kittens-game-combinatorics-mafia-day-1/7398/20?u=eddie) 3. [Day 1 end, 0 wolves in Zugzwang, SirDerpsAlot, and beancat](https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/kittens-game-combinatorics-mafia-day-1/7398/1488?u=eddie) 4. [Day 2 start, 1 mason beamed](https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/kittens-game-combinatorics-mafia-night-1/7398/1489?u=eddie) 5. [Day 2 end, 2 wolves in Marluna, Kiiruma, and Ash](https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/kittens-game-combinatorics-mafia-day-2/7398/3071?u=eddie) 6. [Day 3 start, 0 masons beamed](https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/kittens-game-combinatorics-mafia-night-2/7398/3072?u=eddie) 7. [Day 3 end, 1 wolf in Kiiruma, Marluna, and Hippopablompoyeetus](https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/kittens-game-combinatorics-mafia-day-3/7398/4219?u=eddie) 8. [Day 4 start, 3 masons beamed](https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/kittens-game-combinatorics-mafia-day-4-final-day/7398/4222?u=eddie) 9. [Day 4 end, 3 wolves in Ash, Marluna, and guavagudetama](https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/kittens-game-combinatorics-mafia-game-over-town-win/7398/5567?u=may) ------------------------- Arete | 2024-02-28 20:18:42 UTC | #2 ------------------------- Eddie | 2024-02-28 20:31:13 UTC | #3 # How to Vote During this game, players may place up to three simultaneous votes for different players. The top three players being voted will then be jailed. ## Multivoting To place multiple votes at once, **include all of your votes in the same post**. Each time you make a new post containing votes, all of your targets will be reset. > [v]May[/v] and [v]Garfooled[/v] Two votes in the same post will allow you to vote for both May and Garfooled. > [v]May[/v] > [v]Garfooled[/v] Two votes in separate posts will vote for only May, and then only Garfooled. ## Voting for No Prisoner In addition to voting for others, players may vote for no prisoner up to three times. If any instance of no prisoner is in the top 3 votes, then no prisoner will be jailed in that particular spot. > [v]May[/v], [v]Garfooled[/v], and [v]No Prisoner 1[/v] To vote for no prisoner once, vote for your targets and "No Prisoner 1". > [v]May[/v], [v]No Prisoner 1[/v], and [v]No Prisoner 2[/v] To vote for no prisoner twice, vote for a target, "No Prisoner 1", and "No Prisoner 2". > [v]No Prisoner 1[/v], [v]No Prisoner 2[/v], and [v]No Prisoner 3[/v] To vote for no prisoner three times, vote for "No Prisoner 1", "No Prisoner 2", and "No Prisoner 3". ## Final Votecounts The top three slots voted for at the end of the day will be jailed. Any ties will be resolved randomly. > [b]May (4):[/b] ElizaThePsycho, Ruby, Litten, pandora > [b]No Prisoner 1 (4):[/b] Ruby, Litten, pandora, benguinedparbecue > [b]Garfooled (3):[/b] ElizaThePsycho, Litten, pandora > [b]No Prisoner 2 (3):[/b] ElizaThePsycho, Ruby, benguinedparbecue > [b]No Prisoner 3 (1):[/b] benguinedparbecue This votecount would result in May and No Prisoner 1 being selected for the jail. The last slot is tied between Garfooled and No Prisoner 2, so a coin would be flipped to decide whether Garfooled or No Prisoner 2 goes to jail. ------------------------- Eddie | 2024-02-28 20:47:09 UTC | #4 Rolecards are out! The game will begin [date=2024-02-29 time=16:00:00 timezone="America/New_York"]. [details="Massping"] @Zugzwang @tutuu @Ash @Frostwolf103 @Marluna @Someone @Bionic @Hippopablompoyeetus @beancat @Kiiruma @guavagudetama @SirDerpsAlot [/details] ------------------------- Eddie | 2024-02-28 20:50:51 UTC | #5 I made a typo in the town win conditions. Please point and laugh. "**You win if all mafia members are been sent to jail simultaneously.**" has been edited in all rolecards to instead read "**You win if all mafia members are sent to jail simultaneously.**". Do not discuss this change. ------------------------- Eddie | 2024-02-28 21:00:40 UTC | #6 fuck how do you set a timer ------------------------- Eddie | 2024-02-28 21:00:38 UTC | #7 figured it out ------------------------- Eddie | 2024-02-29 21:00:39 UTC | #8 This topic was automatically opened after 24 hours. ------------------------- Ash | 2024-02-29 21:00:45 UTC | #9 Hello. ------------------------- Ash | 2024-02-29 21:01:34 UTC | #10 ...this is the right channel, right? I've been left alone in here. ------------------------- Ash | 2024-02-29 21:03:19 UTC | #11 Echo! ------------------------- Ash | 2024-02-29 21:03:25 UTC | #12 Echo! ------------------------- Ash | 2024-02-29 21:03:29 UTC | #13 echo! ------------------------- Ash | 2024-02-29 21:03:33 UTC | #14 echo. ------------------------- Ash | 2024-02-29 21:03:36 UTC | #15 echo ------------------------- Ash | 2024-02-29 21:03:40 UTC | #16 ech ------------------------- Ash | 2024-02-29 21:03:43 UTC | #17 ec ------------------------- Ash | 2024-02-29 21:03:50 UTC | #18 e ------------------------- Ash | 2024-02-29 21:04:02 UTC | #19 ⠀ ------------------------- Eddie | 2024-02-29 21:07:17 UTC | #20 # Day 1 begins and will end [date=2024-03-02 time=16:00:00 timezone="America/New_York"]. [details="Massping"] [alive] @Zugzwang @tutuu @Ash @Frostwolf103 @Marluna @Someone @Bionic @Hippopablompoyeetus @beancat @Kiiruma @guavagudetama @SirDerpsAlot [/alive] [/details] ------------------------- tutuu | 2024-02-29 21:08:46 UTC | #21 Greetings, everybody. My name is tutuu, and I am most definitely town. ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:09:52 UTC | #22 NYA ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:10:18 UTC | #23 when did you write this :flushed: ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 21:11:02 UTC | #24 Alright, so 1/2 of us have information on others within this game, the other half of players don't. As a result I'm taking charge in order to make some suggestions at least mechanically for now. Ideally we'll sink 2 mafia at once as that prevents mafia from ever claiming Masons - As the only way they can claim masons is by all claiming to be masons together. Town as a result should be tentative when it comes to mis-confirming anybody. [vote]Someone[/vote] [vote]Bionic[/vote] [vote]SirDerpsAlot[/vote] These slots I feel like are often wildcards in games in comparison to some others, so being able to learn about their alignments might be ideal. I have further plans but these will be revealed dependent on what results we learn throughout the game. Also I'm going to say this as it's going to call mafia out. Ideally for them they're going to want us to be learning 1s as that is the least possible information for us to have. As a result we should take people's directions with scrutiny, especially as we come towards the end of every day within this game moreso than in normal FM / BotF games. If anybody has any other thoughts mechanically, feel free to pose them. However, I believe this is the optimal amount of discussion for the beginning of D1 until we learn further information via our Jail targets. Too much discussion and it lets mafia know our entire plans while some should be discussed moreso in private amongst our confirmation chains. Yes I wrote this in advance, after seeing my card and alignment. You can meta that however you wish to. I just figured that giving this insight would be helpful for now :blue_heart: ------------------------- Bionic | 2024-02-29 21:11:49 UTC | #25 Big nerd alert!!!!! ------------------------- Bionic | 2024-02-29 21:11:59 UTC | #26 [vote]Kiiruma[/vote] ------------------------- tutuu | 2024-02-29 21:12:22 UTC | #27 ![image|690x463](upload://mS4UvRVHq1LxmSVsFbZSWFT6H1y.png) Here is a list of all my past games on FoL. I've taken the liberty to pre-emptively inptut this one. As you can see, I am incapable of randing Mafia. So let's cut to the chase - there is no reason to go through the effort to "read" me. Regardless of whether or not you accurately townread me, I am town, and I always will be town. That much is clear. My proposition is this - cheat; don't obey the rules, simply take it for granted that I will be town, and use the spared effort to help in other areas. I will be clearly similar / identical to all my prior town games, and there's plenty of them to cross-reference with my future posts in this game. ------------------------- tutuu | 2024-02-29 21:12:54 UTC | #28 Right now ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:13:33 UTC | #29 anyway :flushed: I must confess, I have lied pregame! In case I rolled wolf, I didn't want everyone to expect me to, you know, have setup strategies. I in fact have a program to tell me the optimal* guesses to make... unfortunately it is still too slow to run on the full game for town, though it is good enough to work from mafia's perspective. It is also fast enough to run on the game if we get 0/3 or 2/3 mafia d1. *optimal meaning it minimizes the worst case number of guesses required ------------------------- Bionic | 2024-02-29 21:14:14 UTC | #30 we should all vote people making walls of text ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 21:15:15 UTC | #31 Not really. I'm sure you realise it but mechanical strategy plus some social reading will be the key to winning this game. As a result I'm providing the mafia's ideal strategy and our ideal strategy at least as of D1. ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:15:18 UTC | #32 anyway now for my preplanned post ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:15:24 UTC | #33 I wrote the following post (and this header) pre-rand, with the intention of only posting it as town. This is to avoid any potential slips. Obviously, everyone knows masons should not claim. **This still applies if you're VT** - do not claim VT, and do not FPS and claim mason. The former lets wolves POE the masons, should they believe you. And the latter makes it quite awkward for the masons to hide the fact they know you're lying. More importantly - if someone does claim mason, **do not spew yourself VT**. Be suspicious of all mason claims, or perhaps do not believe them at all. There are very few times when a mason should actually claim (and those times will likely be fairly clear, when they do come up (ie, guaranteed mechanical victory)). On the other hand, it is reasonable for a mafia to fakeclaim mason, to try to get spew, or avoid being checked. It is much, much easier for masons to hide their TMI if they *don't have to lie* - if no one believe the claims, the masons can say what they know to be true, and blend right in. ------------------------- tutuu | 2024-02-29 21:15:55 UTC | #34 I think that protecting the identity of the masons comes at top priority. More so than finding wolves. If there is a choice between identifying a wolf and protecting a mason I believe the latter is better and I would urge everyone to play defensively. ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 21:16:24 UTC | #35 Agreed it is why I didn't particularly talk about masons, I talked to town as a whole. ------------------------- Bionic | 2024-02-29 21:16:54 UTC | #36 ??????? ok ------------------------- tutuu | 2024-02-29 21:17:55 UTC | #37 Has anybody ran calculations or theorized whether it's better to send 3 or 2 people to jail on day 1? ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:18:32 UTC | #38 I'll see if my program can run fast enough for that I suspect 3 is best, though. ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 21:18:32 UTC | #39 Basically don't be wanting to vote people just because they're putting effort in. People will use walls to highlight mechancial strategies, it is what I did upon seeing my card and info pre-game. ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 21:18:43 UTC | #40 3. ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:19:37 UTC | #41 oh also btw I have strategies for both alignments that can win the game in X amount of guesses or less I will not reveal those though, at least for now, because then mafia can use them ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 21:20:15 UTC | #42 I did the same as well. It's why I'm only revealing basic things and taking a tiny bit of charge. Glad to see we're thinking with the same mindset. ------------------------- Bionic | 2024-02-29 21:20:35 UTC | #43 nah prople who post walls should be scrutinized ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 21:21:08 UTC | #44 Then.. scrutinise my wall. Have a look and think whether anything I've said seems inaccurate. ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:21:41 UTC | #45 Oh also; I might schedule posts to be posted at a certain time, when I'm not online (mainly because I can't resist testing this out :stuck_out_tongue:). All scheduled posts will be marked as such. ------------------------- Bionic | 2024-02-29 21:22:13 UTC | #46 i didn't read it ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 21:22:45 UTC | #47 I've not used the feature before at all, it's why sometimes in the past I'd just be not posting at all. After my recent success in BotF I've decided that I'm going to be more of a leader and will be more active. ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:22:57 UTC | #48 that's a feature? ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 21:23:51 UTC | #49 If you're saying that those who post walls should be scrutinized then guess what? You should scrutinize it. If you're not going to bother to do that then don't just ignore a post and then do nothing off it. You're actively harming town by doing so. ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 21:24:04 UTC | #50 I thought it was based on you saying it lol. ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:24:23 UTC | #51 oh this is me being a programming nerd ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:24:41 UTC | #52 a hackerboy, according to tutuu ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:25:01 UTC | #53 which is true! I love programming ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:26:48 UTC | #54 ok yeah it's too slow but 3 is super likely optimal ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 21:31:08 UTC | #55 Anyway, I feel we, collectively, need to decide whether we're going for 0/3 (and then vote towny people), or whether we're going for 2/3 (and then vote wolfy people). 2/3 is definitely better, however it has a much lower chance of randomly happening. (Probabilities, with random jailings: 0/3 -> ~38% 1/3 -> ~49% 2/3 -> ~12% 3/3 -> ~0.5% ) ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 21:38:21 UTC | #56 There is no way 3 is better, because with 2, every single option is useful info. If we get 1/3 we wasted a day ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 21:39:08 UTC | #57 I do objectively think that going for 3 is insane, especially on D1. It makes more sense when we got more to work with ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 21:39:58 UTC | #58 Yeah this is just a bad move ngl. Its better to pick the loud and dominant people to make sure evils aren't controlling the convo. ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 21:43:50 UTC | #59 I think going for the top of the list and working our way down is just the most optimal for D1 ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 21:44:38 UTC | #60 [vote]Zugzwang[/vote] and [vote]tutuu[/vote] and [vote]No Prisoner 3[/vote] ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 21:47:34 UTC | #61 Well at least there are no executions, so I cant die D1 again lmao ------------------------- beancat | 2024-02-29 22:00:58 UTC | #62 confident kiiruma detected [vote]Kiiruma[/vote] ------------------------- beancat | 2024-02-29 22:01:08 UTC | #63 also first :3 ------------------------- beancat | 2024-02-29 22:02:35 UTC | #64 [quote="Eddie, post:3, topic:7398"] ## Voting for No Prisoner In addition to voting for others, players may vote for no prisoner up to three times. If any instance of no prisoner is in the top 3 votes, then no prisoner will be jailed in that particular spot. > VOTE: May, VOTE: Garfooled, and VOTE: No Prisoner 1 To vote for no prisoner once, vote for your targets and “No Prisoner 1”. [/quote] [quote="Someone, post:60, topic:7398, full:true"] VOTE: Zugzwang and VOTE: tutuu and VOTE: No Prisoner 3 [/quote] big brains in either case I dont think we should be voting any less than 3 ppl at least on D1 ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 22:03:30 UTC | #65 2/3 is much better but has a lower chance of happening so it in itself balances out. Do we want to go for the higher probability or the higher upside? ------------------------- beancat | 2024-02-29 22:04:00 UTC | #66 higher upside 100% go big or go home ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 22:04:39 UTC | #67 This is straight up not true. Due to my own planning out mechanics, 1/3 is best for evils, yes.. but checking 3 is almost always the best thing here. ------------------------- beancat | 2024-02-29 22:04:48 UTC | #68 quick test [vote]Someone[/vote] ------------------------- beancat | 2024-02-29 22:05:37 UTC | #69 hm okay so i gotta vote all at once cring [vote]Someone[/vote] [vote]Kiiruma[/vote][vote]Zug[/vote] ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:06:15 UTC | #70 1/2 is still not great. I wish I could run the numbers to be sure, but I am pretty confident 3 is best. I can at least say that, in most cases (with a small enough size that my code will finish), my program tends to guess 3 people, even though I have it written such that it will prefer guesses with fewer people, when they are equally good. ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 22:06:26 UTC | #71 The odds of us hitting 1/3 is hella high. If we do 2 people, the result is ALWAYS useful ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 22:06:52 UTC | #72 1/2 is great, since then we ignore those 2 people, and we are able to hone in on who is good and who is bad ------------------------- tutuu | 2024-02-29 22:07:10 UTC | #73 Perhaps let the day run naturally, acquire social reads, and if we have plenty of townreads then aim for 0/3 and try to verify, if we have plenty of scumreads and not much of a towncore go for the consensus scumreads ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:07:28 UTC | #74 I'd rather go for 0/3 - if we hit the worst case from then on, surprisingly, 0/3 and 2/3 actually result in the same number of guesses required to win. ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 22:07:33 UTC | #75 I dont see why we dont target the most dominant people ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 22:07:49 UTC | #76 I dont want evils controlling the convo ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 22:13:47 UTC | #77 That's a fair reasoning. However, what Zug and myself have said so far is just.. objectively true. ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 22:16:56 UTC | #78 So whether or not Zug/Me contains an evil, it doesn't matter if we've given things which are just right no matter what. Checking 3 players is optimal. I'd rather not be one of them but if people wish to check me, so be it. I've come out of the gates confidently and happy to claim a spot as a town leader, so that's what I'm gonna do anyway. ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:18:03 UTC | #79 this might be good thbthbthbthbthtb though I think it's ~unavoidable to have at least a little mech thoughts throughout ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:19:02 UTC | #80 you could also say that for 1/3? You always have to resolve it eventually. ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:20:43 UTC | #81 [vote]Zugzwang[/vote] [vote]Tutuu[/vote] Unsure for now where to put my 3rd vote ------------------------- Bionic | 2024-02-29 22:22:19 UTC | #82 why you self voting ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:22:45 UTC | #83 [quote="Someone, post:58, topic:7398, full:true"] Yeah this is just a bad move ngl. Its better to pick the loud and dominant people to make sure evils aren’t controlling the convo. [/quote] [quote="Someone, post:59, topic:7398, full:true"] I think going for the top of the list and working our way down is just the most optimal for D1 [/quote] I do somewhat agree with the first post - it's very very helpful to have a towncore who can lead us. The second post contradicts the rest of what you're saying though. Explain? ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:23:06 UTC | #84 Going for 0/3 wolves ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 22:23:10 UTC | #85 Because getting a 0 is quite good. And honestly atp I'm reading Zug as good. So if people wanna send me, Zug and Tutuu I'd be down ------------------------- Bionic | 2024-02-29 22:23:50 UTC | #86 hmm ok ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 22:24:11 UTC | #87 [vote]Zugzwang[/vote] [vote]Kiiruma[/vote] [vote]Tutuu[/vote] I'd love if the reason some people haven't liked my confidence / wall is because I had a 2/3 wolf in it lol ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:24:55 UTC | #88 [quote="Kiiruma, post:87, topic:7398"] I’d love if the reason some people haven’t liked my confidence / wall is because I had a 2/3 wolf in it lol [/quote] ok this is a towny thought when did this occur to you? ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 22:25:32 UTC | #89 Because we dont know who is and isnt loud yet ------------------------- tutuu | 2024-02-29 22:25:35 UTC | #90 [v]zugzwang[/v] [v]kiiruma[/v] [v]tutuu[/v] ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 22:25:44 UTC | #91 we look at d1 post count on d2 ------------------------- Bionic | 2024-02-29 22:27:03 UTC | #92 VOTE: zugzwang VOTE: kiiruma VOTE: tutuu ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:27:24 UTC | #93 ![37e0882201426c7ddbf1425d77fe0eac3ce58936_2_690x328|690x328](upload://xg4wigUVQCDpr49LO4UCMMGyU1w.png) ------------------------- Bionic | 2024-02-29 22:27:26 UTC | #94 [vote]zug[/vote] [vote]kii[/vote] [vote]tutuu[/vote] ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:29:49 UTC | #95 I mean. I think we do have some idea of who's loud already, but near EOD we'll certainly have an idea ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 22:31:50 UTC | #96 A short while ago, I'd been thinking about it but Bionic, Someone and bean all kinda side-eyed me is what I've felt. ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:32:34 UTC | #97 mmmmmmmm I see anyway, why do you townread Tutuu? ------------------------- Someone | 2024-02-29 22:34:04 UTC | #98 Fair ------------------------- Kiiruma | 2024-02-29 22:34:32 UTC | #99 Tutuu I'm less confident on than you atm. But I'd be content with Tutuu in comparison to others who have posted so far. ------------------------- Zugzwang | 2024-02-29 22:35:25 UTC | #100 so it's more of "Tutuu has had good vibes and other people haven't"? -------------------------