∘ ☙ Kakegurui: Compulsive Gambler Mafia -- DAY THREE (10/15), BACKUP REQUIRED ❧ ∘

[Frostwolf103]

@Chomps

Wolfy
Ishmael

@Chomps

VOTE: Tutuu

tutuu (2): Magnus, Chomps
Ash (1): Leafia

@Aleph

VOTE: Chomps

yeah i can live with this

@Chomps

i actually got a killing action ishmael you’re gone

tutuu (3): Magnus, Chomps, catbae
Ash (1): Leafia
Chomps (1): Aleph

You actually dont have a killing action do you?

[Chomps]

doing okay just sleepy

[Chomps]

we will learn tomorrow

[Frostwolf103]

If it was, you will be mafia in most cases

[Chomps]

what do you mean 7-shot ninja strongman cleaner rampage bulletproof shooter isn’t a town role

[Frostwolf103]

Woke up early myself, looking into Chomps and Ishmael. The way I say it, Ishmael sees Chomps as mafia in the current top wagon with the gambit.

[Leafia]

Not sure how I feel about Kiiruma’s explaination but willing to put him back at null for now. I want more opinions about his idea too. What does everyone else think?

@tutuu

Aren’t you a giggly leafeon?

Yup. The best kind.

@tutuu

Oh yeshhh you areeeeee~

Giggles

@Magnus

Kiiruma’s acclaim is simply common sense, although the consideration about evil having a boosted gamble risk is an admission I hadn’t personally imagined yet. Going above and beyond is an appreciable factor.

Leafia already seems suspicious.

Unnecessary shade. How does not wanting to maximise the chances of a misexe suspicious? Magnus gets a slim scumlean from me. This just seems like a chance to make me look bad to me.

@Magnus

Tutuu and Leafia are both polarised so their alignments should be clear before the halfway mark passes.

Oh, that’s where you’re wrong. I’m not polarized at all. I’ve fooled so many people as a wolf and been misexed a lot as a villager.

@Magnus

Ash and Beancat are broadly unreadable at this juncture. It should lean town since neither cares to improve their early standing which is ordinary, but it doesn’t because it’s normal from them both to post early then return way later. Possibly preoccupied with other ventures.

If someone is totally unreadable, then how can they be leaning town? Yeah, this deserves a vote.

VOTE: Magnus

@Kiiruma

I presume there are some people here amongst us who genuinely enjoy the anime and thus would be able to pick up on things easier than others when it comes to flavour solving. Bare in mind that yes, flavour is NAI but this doesn’t mean that we can just claim it freely.

I for example am a big fan of Kakegurui, I’d say it’s for sure one of my favourites. So if I were evil I’d be able to pick up on things pretty easily since Kakegurui has a colourful cast but each have their own quirks and specialities. This is why I urge people to be careful.

It’s an anime? I’ve never heard of it myself.

Admitting this is slightly villagery I think too. He could easily have kept that a secret that he was a big fan of it which would’ve benefitted him a lot as a wolf. Slight townlean for Kiiruma now.

@Magnus

You missed twice, but third time’s the charm.
Chomps is my leading townread at the moment even if the desperado shot’s fake. The opening forgetfulness was performative but they’re oscillating in a weird fashion which feels casual and comfortable, I like it.

I don’t think Chomps has done anything AI yet and yet you have him as your strongest townread?

@Hippopablompoyeetus

Kiiruma isnt usually a mech player so that is quite sussy

Actually, yes he is.

@Hippopablompoyeetus

Think kiiruma/leafia/chomps all town atm.

Starting to lean that way myself. Hippo somewhat likely to be town too.

@Kiiruma

With Leafia actually being my top scum.

Please explain why a wolf would be concerned about town misexeing.

@Magnus

Tutuu’s likely asleep in all practicality, given it’s nigh witching hour in Bulgaria. Leafia should’ve been presented an hour ago unless I drastically miscalculated the length of suppertime, though.

Took an aftersupper nap. Slept longer than expected.

@Magnus

Since I didn’t previously elucidate it, Leafia is aberrant because she made up reasons to push random shade against Ash and Kiiruma, but she also isn’t the sort to engage with RVS (typically the sort of individual who delights in sharing early relevant content to build upon, hence why roleclaims are so common), so well as the reason to townread Beancat being odd since it’s at odds with itself (negative reason, positive result, unsure conclusion). Townreading Tutuu so early is actually characteristic and perfectly fine, and possibly indicates a lack of partnership between the two?

I don’t make up reasons Magnus and I didn’t push either of them. I’ve just been trying to get things started and generate content that can be read and get everyone else to do the same. Yeah, I really don’t think Magnus is town here.

Plus, I engage in RVS early game at times.

@Aleph

Leaf/Kii is T/T interaction from first glance
Magnus is T on first glance
Ash null
Chomps null

Willing to give Ishmael the slimmest of townleans here.

Catbae can have a slim townlean too.

I like how he has the same concerns as me and Tutuu sounds villagery too.

@tutuu

i noticed ive started calling wolves/scum liars. i like that. i think because years ago i played a mafia game with a player who had a complete meltdown over being called liar in a game. mind you, frustration in this game is common, but thats not quite what happened. he was fine with being suspected of being a member of the mafia. specifically the word “liar” triggered him to no end. that fascinated me so much

Was he a wolf?

@tutuu

and well… ive been watching the mentalist, and jane says liar a lot. it feels more grounded, more realistic. wolves / scum is fantasy, nobody says these words. whereas liar - real word, common. it makes me feel like im talking to people more, real people, in a realistic scenario. i like that more. i dont like roleplay. i dont like “town” or “mafia”. a bit corny for me, perhaps. i think “telling the truth” and “lying” - i like the sound of that much better

Except villagers lie at times too.

[Chomps]

my messages get 2 different meanings when i read them call me the riddler

[Chomps]

or just sleepy dumb

[Chomps]

ok there’s a huge wall I dont wanna read this anymore goodbyere

[Magnus]

Frankly none of your stances are convincingly town-indicative when weighed against the likelihood of an evil feigning otherwise.

Your primarily recognised sin as Mafia is to assert reads without the proper backing or reasoning to substantiate them in any light, and in this case you illuminated a visceral townread on Leafia with deliberate untidiness as if you wanted to appear unfiltered and thereby pure — at the expense of seeming coherent and understandable, which is a particular fault given how Leafia was also met with undue early attention. At the very least it resembles a desire to overlook actually needing to substantiate a tangible position on the slot, like if Leafia was executed it’s just “whatever”, you townread her but you weren’t really that confident in it yada yada. It’s immutable.

The same issue also applies to your stance on Kiiruma, which was just “logical if town, fascinating if evil, no stern position”; so well as Chomps with “here’s a history of similar messages from a past evil game but it means little now”. Despite these oppositional thoughts, you marked them both green in your readlist despite your expressed ideas not matching that conclusion.

@tutuu

i have no read on hippo, but if marluna is mafia, hippo is mafia. marluna loves to do that to her fellow liars, she feels comfort in distancing

Creating an early unpartnering stance before forming a firm opinion on really any slot in the game much cross as confirmation-bias, but it’s more just fuel on the fire.

I don’t think I could reasonably express my early reads as paranoid. Reaching, sure; but anything could be likened to such, meaning such brandings can’t prove especially conductive for rigorous debate. Either it’s an earnest thought or an utter fabrication as means to an end, but either way I’m not reaction baiting you. That was for Leafia.

[Frostwolf103]

@Leafia

What does everyone else think?

About the gambler’s mechanic that the majority of town should pick one target as non-town for maximum gain?

[tutuu]

@Leafia

Was he a wolf?

Town!

@Leafia

Except villagers lie at times too.

Hopefully not when they’re my teammates, if they don’t have a good reason (Happens too often!!!)

[Frostwolf103]

weak brand of coffee

[tutuu]

A bit too much for me pal, I read it and I … sorta understood your point. If you’d like me to reply to any part in specific it’d help me a ton if you could point it for me specifically

[Leafia]

Yes.

[Frostwolf103]

At this point, I don’t know if this is beneficial for everyone on first day.

[Leafia]

Well, going to call it a night now everyone, so good night.

[Magnus]

You’re still awake relatively early, feel free to take breakfast then parse over things again once you’re feeling more refreshed. A cold shower could help wonders to revitalise your senses.

[tutuu]

@Magnus

Your primarily recognised sin as Mafia is to assert reads without the proper backing or reasoning to substantiate them in any light

Maybe, I’m not sure. Looks good for me then as I did a good job of explaining my reads here

@Magnus

with deliberate untidiness as if you wanted to appear unfiltered and thereby pure — at the expense of seeming coherent and understandable

I don’t like lying. I’d be lying if I said anything else

@Magnus

which is a particular fault given how Leafia was also met with undue early attention

Doesn’t make sense to me at all. Other people meeting Leafia with early undue attention? That doesn’t matter to me at all

@Magnus

like if Leafia was executed it’s just “whatever”, you townread her but you weren’t really that confident in it yada yada. It’s immutable.

Who said anything about Leafia being executed? Paranoia! You want me to be mafia

@Magnus

which was just “logical if town, fascinating if evil, no stern position”;

Nope. I never said my townread on kiiruma is because of that. and my position was stern

@Magnus

Despite these oppositional thoughts, you marked them both green in your readlist despite your expressed ideas not matching that conclusion.

Yes, you think so because you didn’t mention the actual reasons I townread them for!

@Magnus

Creating an early unpartnering stance before forming a firm opinion on really any slot in the game much cross as confirmation-bias, but it’s more just fuel on the fire.

I have no idea what you’re trying to say