Ice Cream Mafia - Day 2 (12/14)

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#511

Hm… I’m gonna try seeing this from Mafia’s POV.

Two checks (red and green)
Correct Red & Correct Green → Maybe Cop
Correct Red & Incorrect Green → Maybe Cop redcheck
Incorrect Red & Correct Green → Maybe Cop greencheck
Incorrect Red & Incorrect Green → Definitely not Cop

One check (green-only)
Correct Green → Maybe Cop
Incorrect Green → Maybe Cop (because maybe redcheck)

One check (red-only)
Correct Red → Maybe Cop
Incorrect Red → Maybe Cop (because maybe greencheck)

One check (random)
Correct check → Maybe Cop
Incorrect check → Unlikely Cop (because why would Cop give false result?)

As far as security goes, two-checks is less secure than one-check, because if someone gives two wrong results, then Mafia knows they are not Cop. In this aspect (i.e., security), one predetermined check gives the least amount of information to Mafia.

However, as far as efficiency goes (i.e., Cop giving correct info to Town), one-check-random gives the best result. Except this is such a terrible method, since Mafia would immediately know that anyone who gives wrong checks are not Cop.

. . .

Okay, maybe I should stop thinking about this. Obviously Town would have to choose which option is the lesser evil, but at the moment I am starting to believe Frost might be right about how discussing this might not be a good idea at all.

#512

it’s literally has 75% case where people can be cop and only 25% where people can’t be cop

whereas in the single check options it’s 50% if they are cops or not cops.

last time I checked 75% is higher than 50%…

#513

Increasing security means lowering efficiency / reliability. For instance, we could add more confusion for the Mafia by adding one dummy answer for each check in the two-checks method, but in doing so, Town would have to somehow figure out which check among the four answers is actually the correct one.

This… is starting to be beyond me. I don’t wanna think about this.

Y’know what, I’ll just give up and go along with whatever tutuu says we’ll do about this.

#514

Also these are just unbelievable scenarios, why would we ever want to give out results, if the cop result can be false? It has literally no game relevance…

#515

I assume you’re thinking of one-check-random instead of one-check-predetermined. But anyhow, those are not the actual percentages.

On paper, it looks like you can only be correct or incorrect. 50-50. However, in practice, the amount of people who will guess someone’s alignment correctly is dependent on their individual social reading skills. For instance, if 7 of 9 Town were to give a correct check at D2, then this “percentage” becomes ~77%.

Thinking about it this way, your method of getting everyone to reveal two checks is the best option, as the odds of someone getting a double false is realistically low. (It is more likely someone gets a correct greencheck randomly than getting both checks false.)

…I have to just believe in everyone’s social reading skills.

#516

Security measures. Hiding the Cop by forsaking information.

#517

Oh I just finished the last season. I won’t spoil anything until you’re done though. Ftr I guess it’s worth watching until the very end, but I wouldn’t support an eighth season.

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#518

But that’s the whole reason for giving out results so we can compare afterwards they can’t give information out anymore.

We can just easily not giving out any result and we have the same amount of information than everyone giving out just reds or just greens…

#519

It’s a western animated show from the same creators of Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra, but set in a different universe (with similar events). imo it’s weaker than ATLA and TLOK, but still interesting enough to watch.

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#520

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#521

In my defense:

:point_up_2: I was trying to see from Mafia’s POV which method would give them the most trouble.

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#522

ATLA maybe.

But I think it’s definetly better than TLOK. (I couldn’t even finish season 2 of korra)

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#523

Gonna be honest I didn’t like seasons 4-7 as much as I liked seasons 1-3. The main reason being (S4-7 spoilers) it stopped being about dragons and became annoying elf drama. I am still annoyed Azymondias just took the role of a nearly useless pet.

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#524

Oh right maybe I got too late into this discussion. What a shame, I would’ve liked talking more about this than the game.

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#525

but it would make impossible for town as well…

Maybe you should watch things from town POV before mafia POV…

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#526

If someone was meant to go Vanilla that night but Neapolitan checks them non-Vanilla then they are pretty much outed (unless they disobeyed town orders). Mafia will never show up as Vanilla.

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#527

He’s not going to, it’s too much math.

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#528

Hm. Sounds like a reason for me to not continue The Dragon Prince. (Eh. I’ll probably check it out somewhen in the future.)

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#529

You all still have Chomps in wolf meta here? I don’t know how to read them because I never saw them wolfing.

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#530

I haven’t read Hydra’s posts yet. I know neil to be a huge shitposter as either alignment though.

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