A Certain Scientific Railgun Mafia - Game Over: Rainbow's End [Mafia Victory]

[WindwardAway]

@Isolde

I have Helz and Whysper as solid town reads. (Or at least mild town reads.)

I think Eli has a higher chance at being the wolf and I also see scum equity there with Atlas.

I’ll NullTown BioHazard because he seems like casual newb town to me so throwing him into NullTown seems about right

Why do you have Helz as a solid townread already? What’s your reasoning on that? He hasn’t posted much yet so Im curious what you see.

@Isolde

I don’t like the drop of wagon and I’m pretty sure Luk’s vote on Eli isn’t staying as I don’t think it was a confident “I wolf read this guy” vote by Luk

Again, why? Why are you looking at this from a perspective of preflipping Eli as a wolf? Also, if you don’t think Lukundo’s vote is staying, whats your read on him?

@Zone_Q11

re you sure you didn’t mix up your reads on me and Hippo? You came to the conclusion that lol wants drama, and yet you see any resemblance of that from Hippo?

…that was Kiiruma who said lol wants drama, not me.
I don’t know what Hippo is doing or whether it involves drama or not. I know exactly what my read is on you and why, but I’m withholding further commentary on it until I find what I’m looking for.

@Zone_Q11

Huh. I most certainly didn’t expect to see anyone to be so self-conscious other than myself. So, why are you -according to your own words- actively acting scummy? I don’t recall behaving anti-town as something you are known for, unlike me.

you’d be surprised
I’m just pointing out what I think and why I think it. If giving thoughts is antitown then I will continue to be antitown this entire game, but at least if I die you will be able to go back and look at my reasoning on reads, and mull it over for yourself that I might actually be right.
Not that anyone ever looks at my reads after I die, but you know… Postgame cred.

@Isolde

The reason I’m voting Eli other then to continue the pressure is

1. They are different this game then last game where they were town
   2)I’m not really vibing to any of there posts at all, some just don’t feel that great
   3)They have scum equity with Atlas so IMO it’s 2 for 1 flip.

I’ll probably make a case on them sometime tomorrow if need be.

Why is acting different inherently scummy? Can’t he be acting different as town?
Also, how did you get the association read with Eli/Atlas?

@Isolde

Because I believe you purposely wanted to take credit for something I already stated to you don’t look bad if Eli flips Wolf.

Oh right, my question was already answered. Idk, I don’t feel very strongly that this is the case, and if anything, if Eli is a wolf then you’re more likely a wolf than Atlas is tbh.

[Atlas]

@WindwardAway

Also, how did you get the association read with Eli/Atlas?

for some reason he thinks im tryingnto take credit for something he said

[WindwardAway]

I said I’d focus on live interaction instead of responding to old stuff but there’s not really anyone to interact with around this time so here I am

[WindwardAway]

Oh hi there
Yeah, I know he’s been pushing that for a little while now but I still don’t really understand why he’s jumping on you for it. It also implies he’s sure Eli is scum, so if Eli flips scum then Seth just has TMI as far as I’m concerned.
I don’t think Eli flips scum just for behaving differently, though. I’ve seen him tryhard as town more recently but the last wolfgame I saw from him was ages ago and he kinda potatoed so that’s just my experience.

[Gorta]

you still there?

[Gorta]

I’ve learned after my last game that live interaction is a great way to get reads

[Atlas]

he did something similar in deus ex

probably nai but anti-town either way

[Gorta]

@WindwardAway

but the last wolfgame I saw from him was ages ago and he kinda potatoed so that’s just my experience.

last time I was wolf with Eli he was just frozen all game

[Gorta]

I’ve also seen him not be like that, so I really need more time to say for sure

[lol]

windward is scared, maybe mafia?

[Zone_Q11]

@Atlas

these wagons are pretty bad

How come? Are they all your townreads?

@WindwardAway

@Zone_Q11

Hm… this doesn’t feel right for some reason.
Not the fact that Eli/Luks might be V/V, but the way you say it feels hedge-y.

Why does it feel hedgy? I literally said I couldn’t give a proper explanation at that point.

It might be an influence from eevee, but “if you can’t explain it, then don’t say it” and instead “wait until you have the time to explain your case”. If you just talk about something and don’t explain it, then it feels like a low-effort post from mafia.
This is my biased view, but it feels like TMI wolf knowing that Eli/Luks are V/V and then not elaborating on it because -insert personal circumstances- but you wanted to say something about everyone in the limited amount of time you have, so you still posted it anyways.

Alternatively: I don’t like gutreads.

@WindwardAway

…that was Kiiruma who said lol wants drama, not me.

Oh. My bad.

@WindwardAway

I don’t know what Hippo is doing or whether it involves drama or not. I know exactly what my read is on you and why, but I’m withholding further commentary on it until I find what I’m looking for.

Welp, okay.

@WindwardAway

I do think one could be a wolf and one could be town but if that’s the case then probably none of the other wolves have been in the thread so far because it seemed like most people were taking sides already and scumreading one of them, while I believe wolves would want to steer suspicion away by saying both of them could be town (exactly what I’m doing). So really, you guys should be quewrioning me for having this take, more than anyone else.

@Zone_Q11

Huh. I most certainly didn’t expect to see anyone to be so self-conscious other than myself. So, why are you -according to your own words- actively acting scummy? I don’t recall behaving anti-town as something you are known for, unlike me.

@WindwardAway

I’m just pointing out what I think and why I think it. If giving thoughts is antitown then I will continue to be antitown this entire game, but at least if I die you will be able to go back and look at my reasoning on reads, and mull it over for yourself that I might actually be right.
Not that anyone ever looks at my reads after I die, but you know… Postgame cred.

I did not say you are being anti-town for giving your thoughts. You did not read the context correctly.

You said you “believe wolves would want to steer suspicion away by saying both of them could be town”, which you admit you were doing. I interpret that as being anti-town.
So, unless you are claiming to be a wolf/mafia, why would you say/admit that you are doing what you believe a wolf/mafia would do?
You already said in that very post that we “should be quewrioning [you] for having this take” and that is exactly what I am doing right now.

[Atlas]

@Zone_Q11

@Atlas

these wagons are pretty bad

How come? Are they all your townreads?

no its just a bunch of people being wagoned for bad reasons

[Zone_Q11]

Well, nevertheless it is what we will have to work with as long as we don’t have “a good reason to wagon someone”.

I notice that you have voted anyone. Were you planning on sheeping a wagon?
If not, then how about making one of your own?

…there is only a limited amount of time of “waiting” and “seeing” before you are forced to “acting” and “voting”. Granted, only 13 hours have passed, but please do try to not stay on the bench for too long. We already have plenty of those in the form of uninformed spectators.

[Gorta]

how so?

[Zone_Q11]

Gorta, you said that live interaction is a great way to get reads.
But it’s not as if we can talk without a topic, and clearly you don’t like speculating about the setup.
So what exactly is it that you want to talk about?

[Gorta]

I don’t specialize at starting conversation

[Atlas]

@Zone_Q11

there is only a limited amount of time of “waiting” and “seeing” before you are forced to “acting” and “voting”. Granted, only 13 hours have passed, but please do try to not stay on the bench for too long.

yeah i know
ill be here
probably

[Zone_Q11]

Yet you don’t seem to specialize at joining an already pre-existing one either?

You said you did not have any solid reads on Eli yet. Then, how about Luks; the guy Eli seriously scumreads for reasons mentioned at P#228 and P#248?
What about Helz and Whysper, who is being townread by Isolde?
What about Windward, who is responding towards Isolde’s townread on Helz, overlooking Isolde mention of “or at least mild townread”?

[lol]

said they would live discuss, you asked saying you make reads easier with it and would talk, they dissapear? is it really a coincidence? what do you think?

[Atlas]

@Zone_Q11

What about Helz and Whysper, who is being townread by Isolde?

that can be summed up with “oh seth”