16667th poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7)) (Part 9)

never noticed that

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short fuse

:skull_and_crossbones:

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whenever I take a breath through my nose all I can smell is champagne and it makes me want to be sick
help

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chat I am back with more Roomate advice requests

say that our room has a recycling bin, but the common area of our floor also had recycling bins

so whenever I have recycling (rarely) I just bring it to the common area

would it be fair for me to abstain from taking out the recycling from our room (I am annoyed because it is overflowing)

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My path
  • Focus on Box 1. Only possible way to solve 3-length arrow around one min-square is if min-square contains [1] while the arrow consists of [2,3,4]. This means C3R4 is [9].
  • Where does [9] go in Box 1? Somewhere in Column 1.
    Where does [9] go in Box 7? Max-square forces it to be in C2R8.
  • Focus on the arrow in Box 3. What is in C7R4? It can’t be [9], and the arrow is of length 3, so it has to be one of [6,7,8], and all of these require a [1] on the arrow. [1] can’t be on R2, so it has to be on C8.
  • What is on C8R8? The minimum is 2, but what’s around it? To the left is a 2-length arrow. The minimum values on that arrow is [3,4] forming a [7] on C6R8. But to the left of the arrow’s bulb is a max-square (C5R8), and it can’t be [9], so that has to be an [8], forcing the aforementioned minimum on the arrow. Since C8R8 is a min-square, it has to be lower than a [3], so it is indeed [2].
  • Where is [1] on Row 8? It can’t be on the bulbs of the arrows since they are of length 2, and C9 breaks the min-square on Box 9. So it has to be on C3R8.
  • Focus on the arrow on Column 9. C9R8 can only be [5,6], but what’s on C9R7? [2,3,4] are already taken on Box 9, and if it isn’t [1], then the arrow would have to consist of [5,6] which sums up into 11, which is not a digit. So C9R7 has to be a [1], meaning that the bulb on C9R6 is either [6] or [7].
  • Where is [1] on Box 6? Using sudoku and min-square, you’ll easily put it into C7R6.
  • Focus on the arrow on Column 1. What could be on the arrow, knowing that the bulb’s value is [3,4,5,6], and knowing it has no [1] because of sudoku? Answer: It has to be [2,3,4], and because of C1R2, the bulb (C1R8) has become [5,6].
  • Because the arrow on Column 1 is [5,6], it has to have a [2] on it since it can’t contain a [1]. This in turn forces [2] on C2 at Box 1.
  • Look back into Row 8. It should be obvious that C4R8 is [3,4], but this means that C2R7 is [2,3], and since C2’s [2] is on Box 1, C2R7 has to be a [3], forcing a [4] on C4R8.
  • Resolve the [3,4] on Box 9.
  • Fill in [2] on C1R7.
  • Find [3] on Box 1.
  • Resolve the Column 1 arrow.
  • Find [1] on Box 4.
  • Resolve the Column 9 arrow.
  • Find [4] on Box 7.
  • Focus on the arrow in Box 3 and Column 8. Any (normal) 3-length arrows of value 7 consists of [1,2,4], and since Column 8 in Box 3 can’t have [2,4], the arrow on C7R4 can’t be [7] forcing it into an [8].
  • Where is [8] on Box 9? “Somewhere in Row 9.”
    Where is [8] on Box 7? C3R7.
  • Find are [8,9] on Box 1.
  • Pencilmark the possible number on Box 1’s Column 3.
  • Resolve C3R5 and C3R6 using the min-square.
  • Pencilmark all remaining numbers on Box 4 and fill in C1R5.
  • Resolve Box 7.
  • Use max-square to eliminate [8] from C2R5, forcing it into C2R6.
  • Any (normal) 3-length arrows of value 7 consists of either [1,2,5] or [1,3,4], so C9R2 is [2,4] and its Box 6 counterpart is forced to be on C7R5.
  • Where is [9] on Box 6? “Somewhere in C8.”
    Where is [9] on Row 2? C3 has [9] on R4; C5 breaks min-square; C6 breaks 2-length arrow; C7 breaks max-square; C8 has a [9] in Box 6. This forces [9] to be on C4R2.
  • What is on the bulb of arrow on Column 6 (C6R4)? Try all possible numbers. Can’t be [1,2] since they’re too small; Can’t be 4 since Row 2 has [1,3] filled; Can’t be [7,8,9] because of sudoku. The bulb is [3,5,6].
  • Try filling all possible combinations for [3,5,6] on Box 3. For [3], it’s [2,1]; For [5], it’s [4,1] or [2,3]; For 6 it’s [5,1], [2,4], or [4,2]. Either way, this results in C6R2 being [2,4,5].
  • Look into the min-square C5R2. What could it be, considering the maximum of C6R2? [2,4]. But we already have [2,4] on C9R2, which forces C6R2 into a [5].
  • Resolve the arrow on Column 6.
  • Resolve Box 4.
  • Find [1] on Box 3.
  • Pencilmark all possible numbers on C7R2.
  • Find [8] on Box 3, then Box 9.
  • Find [7] on Box 9.
  • Resolve [6,7] on Row 2.
  • Resolve Box 9.
  • Find [9] on Row 7 and pencilmark all possible numbers on Box 8 while you’re at it.
  • Pencilmark all possible numbers for C9R5.
    Heck, pencilmark the entirety of Box 6 while you’re at it.
  • Realize that C8R3 is the same number as C9R4 and fill in their value. You should find the value of C8R4 while you’re doing this, especially if you have pencilmarked all possible values of Box 6.
  • Resolve the [2,4] in Box 6 and Row 2 using the min-square.
  • Focus on the 9-value arrow on Column 4. You should be able to fill in the numbers by this point.
  • Find [7,9] on Column 9.
  • Find [2] in Box 8.
  • Find the last number in Row 4.
  • Resolve Row 3, Box 1, and Box 3.
  • Resolve Row 1, Row 7, and Row 9.
  • Fill in the rest. Just solve the puzzle already.

Yes. You are not responsible for it filling up.

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“Fair”, maybe, optimal, IMO probably not. Creates a point of conflict that probably isn’t worth it (taking out the recycling is not that big a deal) and means the annoying thing (the recycling overflowing) continues to exist. Doesn’t really matter who creates what, in the grand scheme of htings it is all just standard living space maintenance

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ok that’s what I thought but my roomate disagrees

(40 days left I can make it)

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this has been logic for a while now and it’s very fair logic but I am the one that takes out the recycling like 80% of the time and I’m getting tired of it :skull:

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If it bothers you in particular that the recylcing is overflowing but it doesn’t bother your roommate then you’re just punishing yourself and not your roommate. If you feel like you’re doing a disproportionate share of living space maintenance I think that’s thet hing to bring up and not specifically “well technically I don’t create recycling so the recycling shouldn’t be my job”

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this makes sense

thank u may!!!

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They call her may because she may be extremly helpful

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I don’t have a roommate and I literally just pile my recycling by my door (making a mess) so I’m rpobably not the optimal advisor here. But also like given I live like this on purpose and it doesn’t bother me I suspect your roommate is the same way as me and you choosing specifically not to take out hte recycling will simply result in the recycling not being taken out. And you’ll be unhappy and your roommate won’t care

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assuming random eliminations and that players to explode are always town selecting a random target:

scum sweep = 3/4 * 7/10 * 5/8 * 3/6 = 0.164
f5 scum win = (3/4 * 7/10 * 5/8 * 3/6 * 2/4) + (3/4 * 7/10 * 3/8 * 4/6 * 2/4) + (3/4 * 3/10 * 6/8 * 4/6 * 2/4) = 0.204
f3 scum win = (3/4 * 7/10 * 5/8 * 3/6 * 2/4 * 1/2) + (3/4 * 7/10 * 3/8 * 4/6 * 2/4 * 1/2) + (3/4 * 3/10 * 6/8 * 4/6 * 2/4 * 1/2) + (3/4 * 7/10 * 3/8 * 2/6 * 3/4 * 1/2) + (3/4 * 3/10 * 6/8 * 2/6 * 3/4 * 1/2) + (3/4 * 3/10 * 2/8 * 5/6 * 3/4 * 1/2) = 0.165

(i haven’t checked my math, apologies if i messed up the calculations somewhere)

that comes out to 53% scum EV, but honestly in practice i would expect it to be more townsided if people played it seriously, since the scum lack a factional kill. (they can sacrifice if a teammate is likely to go down but wouldn’t expect that to make a huge difference). obviously if people agree to be leashed that’s +EV for town though i’m too tired to actually do those calculations right now.

taking away the day 1 phase probably makes it very scumsided, though…? just in terms of raw EV and information loss. @Arete

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Yes imo. If your roommate is the only one using that trash bin then she should feel responsible to take it out

Your roomate just sounds spoiled by the sound of it, combined with not caring if it bothers others if she wants to listen to a speaker playing music while sleeping. She could be used to her dad always taking out the trash. You are first year students iirc

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Not music, white noise

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pedant

That’s, like, a major difference. I think most people would struggle to sleep with music on and would not struggle to sleep with white noise on. It changes the situation substantially!

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