But lol didn’t vote on the public VCs…
Like honestly I think it makes more sense if both only got the votes secretly removed/added at EOD, IDK why lol would know especially if it wasn’t announced anyways
That’s how a regular doublevoter works, no? Second vote only counts at EOD?
He does. It just doesn’t show up on the votecount I believe.
I see… got it
He was told the price of accepting my deal by the host.
Ah… wait, so let me repeat this
He sees trade deal:
He gets ???
Other gets his vote
He agrees knowing this
And then said it made him sad?
Or was this just lying to keep the BPV covered?
lemon prob town since we are guessing that’s where the mafia NK went? (will maybe come back to this near end game)
obscurity prob town due to way he goes about the roleclaim
lol prob self resolving and town
due to Gyrlander’s extraordinary defense of Marluna (and in contrast to Leafia’s opinion), I don’t believe if Marluna is W, then Gyrlander is W too. Very rare that wolves hard defend a scumbuddy who is most assuredly going down. Likely just bus at that point.
beancat sus
– '80s Wild Overhaul FM - Day 2 (13/14) - #1224 by beancat
– '80s Wild Overhaul FM - Day 2 (13/14) - #1225 by beancat
– Doesn’t make sense that “if it was anyone other than zorvo he’d kill that with fire” but then goes around and votes Zorvo. My interpretation, correct me if I’m wrong, is that “If it were anyone other than Zorvo coming up with that weird theory, than I’d be mega sus of them. But since it’s Zorvo, and Zorvo is known for townie weird theories, it’s more okay.”
Leafia feeling less good on… or at least more questions in my mind
– why announce that you gave someone a BPV? and make them a mafia target? just feels like lack of foresight if town
– Feeling a bit “sheepy” and agreeable on some posts or points, that it almost feels like W just amplifying town misdirection possibly.
— >Actually double checked on agreeing w/ Glass’s POE. EOD1 and then taking into account new D2 info, Leafia was prob at Gyr/Zorvo/Bean/Marluna so agreeing w/ Glass POE of Gyr/Bean/Marluna/Gorta doesn’t seem that far off. Maybe not on this point.
– Why target lol on N1? At EOD1 ('80s Wild Overhaul FM - Day 2 (13/14) - #891 by Leafia) lol was in null territory. I’m mechanical potato and dunno if it’s better to target someone who you think is town or someone who you think is mafia with Leafia’s role, but I don’t quite understand why she targetted “lol”.
– Why be so eager with outting role on D1?
– Will agree with Glass that the role seems weird if wolf since it can just set up the mafia vig shot. I am mechanical potato though so low trust in myself on this sort of read.
I still think Glass is town
Originally I was sus of Marluna on D1 because skimming the games she linked, I think she had more proactiveness as town? But given that she said she was voteless, makes sense that she didn’t even vote D1. I asked her on D1 about her reads because I wanted to see where her mind was at, and I think her response was passable. Her post count here is way inflated above the two games she linked me. Post count isn’t alignment indicative, but generally people post less as wolf, not more.
Lemon NK (if that’s what we are assuming?) is weird af … I’m still trying to think on it. Did mafia mistakenly assume she was widely townread? I think at least 1 mafia is relatively active, or else if all mafia were low in reads, they would have shot at someone who had more thread control, or at least feel more threatened by it. From the NK, it doesn’t feel like mafia really feel threatened, and they have the luxury to make weird kills.
Magnus I dunno. He’s there. He posts. Goes in one ear and out the other unfortunately. Good town? Or good wolf masquerading as good town? Says nothing objectionable in my mind. If wolf, fear this is one of those “posts just enough to be reasonable and not die” sort of people.
Gotta go… I am very sorry for my low activity but will try to at the very least vote w/ majority by end of day.
VOTE: Beancat
most questions in post above are just related to your role, and as the resident mechanical potato, I just ask you be patient with me in this area lol
Correct.
Ah okay. Understood.
got it
Cream’s new wall has so many overlapping thoughts with me and I think the ones I hadn’t thought of (i.e. Marluna, lol targetted by Leafia) sound pretty good!
I think that does alleviate some of my doubts that maybe I was missing stuff with surface-level (for Cream XD) towny thoughts that weren’t thought as much about due to the low quantity/condensation of thoughts from being busy
We had a death N1. Due to vig.
Possible.
Because I wanted to clear up the misconception that there was a votestealer and why announce it in thread if I’m scum? Actually, I can answer that one. So that I could ask that question.
I targeted him D1. I select my target during the day and he claimed protective so I figured I’d give him a BPV just in case.
As for whether it’s better for me to target town or mafia, both have valid arguments.
That’s how I am as town most of the time unfortunately. Remember how I claimed masons as a mason D1 in Kaguya?
Anyway, going to call it a night now, so good night everyone. 
Right so I guess on quick ISO read, I think I’m comfortable with Cream town right now after all
Her thoughts do seem in tune with the thread
And she is keeping track of stuff
Like on D1, she originally thought Gyr was a bit towny for tone but then later saw that he was still voting beancat for a silly reason and then was like, that’s weird
Mmm so I think I will go pull up my Magnus post response from last night so I can make my point there too now
It will be paraphrased so it’s all good
Where’s this?
Why have I signed up/participating in for like a total of like 7 games of FM currently?
I really love myself
Right, this was the other post I didn’t get
This reads like something good to me
Continuing. But this doesn’t seem to be mentioned later at all? Though I guess if this was just how your thoughts flow, it makes sense too
My issue with this #1. Why did this matter anyways?
I skipped a few steps in between when summarizing, but the key point that I got was that if Lol (or his scumbuddies) muted Glass, then they aren’t W/W and Glass is clear.
The reason it looks like it’s from the POV that lol “has” done so, is because I was trying to explain my reasoning from the premise that Zorvo chose (i.e. it’s lol instead of Lemon) while simultaneously trying to ask why Lemon wasn’t really being considered as a candidate here instead of lol, who Zorvo was stuck on as the would-be muter/muter scumbuddy
But I think the fact that I kept asking about Lemon in the first place should have been a giveaway I was questioning the “if” part (aka I do acknowledge that it’s an “if”) constantly
So imo your post came off like you 1. missed the point and 2. wanted to be nitpicky
Issue #2:
That was what I was saying, you know?
But I would like to point out that it doesn’t matter if no one’s confident in anything D1
The point is that at the point, only half of D1 had passed
Glass left in the first 24 hours
I got that it was an off chance (I thought it was an off chance as well; my main theory was always that it was Glass’s active)
My issue then was, why was Zorvo sticking to this little “off chance” super confidently
IMHO off chance = same chance as anything other read off personal things everyone else had
I just don’t get why you didn’t question at all why it doesn’t seem weird when someone’s like, yup off chance that could be clearing 1. IF this person flips scum 2. IF this person and/or future scumbuddies flip as a muter and 3. also this person is only the slightly scummier one (by virtue of one comment, and/or it’s an OMGUS) out of my two ISOs – let’s go guys, this is it! Our D1 plan, hammered out!
There was still half the day phase left, and it looked like he was settling on it so early.
Anyways this isn’t to bring up D1’s discussion on Glass to keep arguing about defending people or attacking people
I think the thread stagnation point was really good in his favor, and last night I also rethought a bit (though I didn’t end up posting about it) and felt like the vote switch is prob a towny move; like, he’s not artificially trying to be stuck on a tunnel, if that makes sense
But I just wanted to point out today (since I was asleep by the time you posted this yesterday) what I disagreed with, and also my doubts/questions about your thoughts
Like especially because I don’t even get why you would say it’s T/T if your reasons in this point when elaborating are just saying, well Zorvo’s not confident, I think that’s towny, and well Lissi’s purposefully (?) misrepped the argument, so that’s also towny (??)
The thread stagnation point, I get and agree with looking back
This post, I was like ??? what
*bring back
because I definitely brought it up again technically