You could tell by his reaction when we removed him from the Towncore today.
Look at their EoD2. It would’ve been completely different had he been mafia and known about my stolen votes.
You’re supposed to protect the most likely to die. Not someone who literally can’t die.
How? By sabotaging the wolves’ plan? Also, you can’t confirm the double vote I have which is what the wolves didn’t want confirmed.
Only if you are actually telling the truth about that.
It’s as clear as day. Look at his EoD2 and try to explain why he’d act like that as a wolf. It’s super obvious he didn’t know about the vote stealer.
Zorvo has stopped thinking completely now regardless of alignment.
Time for me to head out due to RL plans,so good night everyone. 
I didn’t have any BPVs left
my first one was used up from the first time scum tried to NK me N1
the second one I gave away to obscurity N2 because vig (didn’t know they were only 2-shot at the time)
I would have died if Zorvo hadn’t targeted me
you’re saying lol voting with you to prevent you from being confirmed was so anti-town that it’s towny?
how?
I don’t really get it
no pressure
panics internally
that’s assuming your votes were stolen by mafia (neutral vote stealer, anyone?)
it’s not really clearing
what was the wolves’ plan, exactly?
(and how do you know?)
why would Zorvo lie about it?
is that town-indicative though?
The fucking IC!
Is it?
Give me the damn post number.
Yeah and Leafia isn’t a wolf I’m fairly confident in that but they are wolf siding for lol.
VOTE: Marluna
I made some quick calculations.
If we aren’t confident we are lynching a mafia member today, it’s better to sacrifice my role.
With a vote stealer in D5, and mafia having 2 members, my 3 votes will give them majority.
Or he is the vote stealer…
^^
That’s actually a good point.
Where? VC before you voted Cream said you were not voting, and when I was on and voted Magnus, the VC prior was 5v1v1, with the 1 on Magnus being Glass, and not you (you were not voting anyone)
Your point is still void, cause I wasn’t voting Cream beforehand.
I can also talk about this now.
So Glass pointing out that we were the only two who claimed investigative made me remember this comment by Zone, but basically, you know how the OP says informative role(s) are informed?
That by itself indicates there should be more than 1, but even that aside, remember how I said N1 after my chat with Glass closed, I tried to cancel my action 1 minute before EOD and then Zone basically told me that I couldn’t since action submission closes an hour before SOD?
Well, he gave me my feedback of not getting feedback, etc.
But then I was asking about whether players would get feedback or not if they were the target of a failed shot, and he pretty much repeated the rule about informatives only. (I think he misunderstood my question, since I didn’t directly state I was basically asking “if a doc protects someone, and blocks the shot, will they know”- I think this was because of the Lemon NK thing on D2, but I don’t remember for sure)
But that’s not the important bit, the most important bit was that he included an extra comment in his response that essentially begrudgingly (tonally) admitted that I too was included in the informatives (paraphrased, you’ll have to take my interpretation for it here).
It’s kinda a small thing, but I guess if I think about it, it should indicate that yes, there are other more-traditional informatives out there, and if all claims are true, then it can only be referring to lol.
Else, I guess there could be a mafia rolecop or something, idk… Personally, I think redirecting lol twice in a row is silly, because he’s a parity cop and needs 2 consecutive nights, not 1. But it should be possible for that to happen, since Cream could target the same person twice in a row, no? I assume mafia redirector should be similar, and maybe even 2 shots too, hopefully!
It’s not 100%, and of course to believe this you’ll have to trust my word for it on the response interpretation. But well, I think it’s enough for today, especially if we are assuming 3 mafia and mafia having a redirector and vote thief, which makes the role cop thing just really unlikely, imo.
Also I think I did say yesterday, but I’m pretty sure Cream’s sus on lol due to role stuff about lying was because she misread.
So yeah that’s my take on this.
No, it’s not.
My issue is that you hadn’t voted Cream earlier. Not voting, voting Magnus (which you said you did- you should still point out where, no?), it’s all the same effectively.
Cream explicitly said to everyone that she wasn’t requesting people to vote somewhere else, she just wanted 2 things: 1. for everyone to remember her legacy reads and use them and 2. for everyone to actually use her death effectively by ordering votes so that we could strategically find the vote thief through hammering.
What yesterday was, after getting the votes to a point where you guys actually might have been able to do hammer testing (Lemonfairy, Gyrlander, Zorvo, obscurity, lol, me- should be 5 votes, but public votes are at 6, if Zorvo had no vote and whoever Gyr’s target was wasn’t on wagon) to get to supermaj, at 8.
You claimed to have 2.
Magnus, I assume, claims to have 1.
Magnus should’ve voted first, putting public VC at 7 and actual VC at 6. It’s also super sus that he decided to just write a block about votes Mafia and Town will have if your votes are stolen, if a “vote thief is just floating around”, like he couldn’t just help everyone test it.
After that, Glass or Cream (who promised to self-hammer after she finished but she prob forgot, RIP) should’ve been able to vote, and then we would’ve been able to resolve everyone on that wagon if majority wasn’t hit (aka everyone there except Zorvo had exactly 1 vote).
Anyways this was meant to be directed moreso at him, since you couldn’t have voted to help with that, but well now you claimed to have voted Magnus before when you hadn’t, and personally IDK why you chose to lie about your role in the first place, especially if you were willing to reveal it right before an important flip, but also only like 5 minutes before so no one else could plan for it. IMO that’s pretty scummy.
Like, after I left, about 5 hours passed, you both came and left, and then lol moved off and then suddenly, right before the day ends, when obscurity moves back onto Cream, you decide that suddenly now is the perfect time to vote (public vote count at 6 with your vote), and that there might be a vote thief around. Like, there was the chance to actually try to find them/eliminate the pool of people they could’ve been in, but you decided that it was just better to… what? Vote Cream and then throw out some directionless concern about “if my votes are stolen”
You and Magnus both not voting until the very end (or not at all, in Magnus’s case) is extremely sus, especially when Leafia has stated wayyy before that there is a vote thief.
Did anyone claim to have their votes stolen yesterday?
So MU gives 2 types of vanillizers (or should it be spelled with an ‘s’ lol)
- turning target into vanilla from that night onwards
- turning target into vanilla from that night onwards AND roleblocking them the current night
If you say you’re just a ‘glorified roleblocker’, I assume it’s the second?
Because if it’s non-permanent, then why wouldn’t you just be a ‘roleblocker’
And if it is permanent, then why can’t you target Marluna?
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