A Certain Scientific Railgun Mafia - Game Over: Rainbow's End [Mafia Victory]

[Zone_Q11]

@Wazza

That’s what I’m doing, shifting the blame from other players is just anti-town, you’re playing for yourself, not for a team, you do this in every game and it’s the reason you deserve to die in every game, no matter the alignment.

Yep! I totally agree with you! I truly don’t care what [anyone who is against my way of living] thinks!
I totally deserve to get PL’ed! …yet somehow I lived past the heart-throbbing event that is EOD1.
…I truly wonder whom I have to thank for that. (No sarcasm; I legit don’t know who saved me.)

@Wazza

Now, Zone.

You refused to answer any of my questions about N2, what are your thoughts on Isolde considering one of you is very clearly a liar

I do not recall any instance of you asking any questions about N2. (I might be very wrong about this.)
My stance on Isolde remains unchanged: He is LOCK TOWN. IDK WTF happened with mech, and I still don’t care; I am NOT changing my social read because our mech claims contradict. Call me a fool all you want: MY STANCE STAYS.

@Atlas

according to zone’s passive claim its possible it isnt

I don’t have any passive.

[Wazza]

You make me regret replacing in

[Atlas]

@Zone_Q11

I don’t have any passive.

you said your ability resolves before all other abilities

[Zone_Q11]

@Zone_Q11

…I truly wonder whom I have to thank for that. (No sarcasm; I legit don’t know who saved me.)

@Host_Account_1

Votecount

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
TheLukundo	Kiiruma, WindwardAway, eevee, EliThePsycho, JakeTheWolfie	5/9

…so, apparently town. I need to thank town for my survival.
…damnit eevee, why did you have to save me?
We were so close to greatness…!
My voters were: Hippo, lol, night, and myself.
I only needed one more vote…!
…well, technically it was Jake who saved me, whose slot is now occupied by Wazza.
…I guess I am an ungrateful dog who bites the hand that fed me.

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

If u are i recommended just claiming it as rn its nai

[Zone_Q11]

@Wazza

You make me regret replacing in

ILY2

@Atlas

you said your ability resolves before all other abilities

Yes. It is an active that resolves before all other abilities.

[Atlas]

i cant figure out if this makes sense or not

[Zone_Q11]

You go figure that out. I don’t know what to do with that part of my mech, which is why I dropped it, instead of getting obsessed with it, to the point where it (partially) clogs the thread.
*looks at @Isolde as well*

[Wazza]

Ngl I wish you died, nothing relating to the game I just want to play with Lukundo

My fellow Brit

[Atlas]

I mean
If you didn’t state it you’d be dying in a mech dome with your top townread

[Host_Account_1]

Votecount

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Zone_Q11	Wazza	1/6
Wazza	Zone_Q11	1/6
Not Voting	Atlas, Gorta, Kiiruma, Hippopablompoyeetus, Zone_Q11, Isolde, Helz, BradLand, nightingale

[Zone_Q11]

@Host_Account_1

If I push and vote out a wolf and then I die he is 100% cleared because wolves would know he gave me this last will item and would not willingly let me flip.

…wait. The last will is an item?

@Host_Account_1

Isolde defending Whysper and Jake earlier looked yuck and that’s why I said the three of them could be a team, easily with Hippo as power wolf, but Isolde’s handling of Zone is fairly towny.

Let’s just say that I would be mind blown if this were the case. …also, if this were the case, then I am guaranteed to never die at Night Phase since Isolde would use me as either scapegoat or as a secondary vote against whoever he would vote.

@Host_Account_1

I do suspect Atlas of being the painter, and i have mixed feelings about his read on Zone and what he said about his ability (pretty sure he insinuated it was NAI or he didn’t seem to know whether it was useful). So if he’s the painter I don’t really know if it’s a hard dome, and he didn’t vote Zone until the last half of the day. If he ever claims painter, I’d personally just monitor his read progression on Zone to see whether there’s any indication of TMI or if he really doesn’t seem to know what to think. If he claims not to be the painter, I guess this doesn’t matter.

…well frick me. I ensured that nobody would be able to kill Atlas.

@Host_Account_1

Wazza is most probably a wolf, sorry about the rand and sorry we’re basically never the same alignment. :/ I don’t think Jake was towny except for that one instance where he could have pushed on me quietly for the executioner and chose not to for whatever reason. He lied out of his ass about his claim, his lie about his claim, and idk what else, and I find it to be incredibly counterproductive townplay but reasonable for a wolf who’s backpedalling in a panic. Also, Whysper (and Isolde) defended Jake’s slot against my push on D1 and stuck me toward the bottom of her readlist for “pushing LHFs” as I recall. Tbh I think I was just correct and Whysper was trying to get me off her buddy. As for Wazza, yes, I read her posts and I interacted with her, but I don’t think she’s town either. I considered what she might do in this situation as town versus as scum, and I fully believe she’d try to save her slot the best she can after replacing into a wolf slot, including voting her partner to clear her name if she has to. So I am going to assume that all of her votes have been wifom so far if she’s a wolf and not bother reading into them. I think Hippo is right that, despite claiming she hasn’t read everything yet, Wazza seems to have a bit more information than expected of someone who just got into the game and hasn’t backread the thread. Additionally, her argument that the executioner would give info on me after I flipped was dumb as shit and I’ve been trying to point that out but she kept misconstruing what I was trying to say. I was saying that the executioner did not need to give info after my flip because I would literally just flip with all the info you could possibly need - town, x-shot untargetable, “offense armour” etc. - assuming the executioner hopefully isn’t also a janitor. There’s no possible additional info you could get on me post-flip because I flip town, and the executioner said something like “for now, just kill wind and I’ll try to contact you later with info” which is sketchy because that’s like hiring a hitman to kill someone and promising you’ll tell them what the person actually did once they’re already dead lol. So yes, my conclusion is that Jake was wolfy, Wazza is wolfy, the slot is wolfy, yeetus deletus.

…welp. Okay. …y’know, it’s kinda funny how everyone was talking about the “there is one wolf in da hood” theory at D2, and now this happens. Windward, unless my theory of “nobody will fricking read dead towns’ reads” becomes a theorem, (or alternatively, unless some other schmuck gains more heat than Wazza does,) then I don’t think Wazza will get out of D4.

@Host_Account_1

Whysper flipping wolf with the ability to control someone else’s action very, very likely explains what happened with Isolde and Zone. Isolde had already hinted the letter “J” from his role, I believe? And wolves generally don’t prioritize killing Seth because he’s Seth, so if they had a way to tamper with his action without needing to kill him, I believe they would have done so to ensure a free kill (but likely didn’t expect that Eli might have BG’d the target). In that case, I suspect that if Whysper hypothetically controlled Seth’s action and redirected him to me, I would’ve been alerted that I was targeted, and Whysper’s redirect would’ve gone through because she wasn’t targeting me but rather forcing Seth to target me. However, I believe Seth said his action was “successful”, so maybe this doesn’t really work and he could’ve been redirected elsewhere. I do, however, think Whysper targeted him on N2 and caused Zone’s action to go through and Seth’s to succeed without a redirection notice since it was a puppeted action. So someone else probably got blocked and it was likely whoever the executioner is, meaning that wolves know now. Of course this is all hypothetical, but as I said, I knew there had to be another loophole on how Seth and Zone could have a mech conflict without either necessarily being scum. And also, this probably means the wolves did not know who the messenger was before, if they accidentally blocked them, as I doubt it was their intention and they tried to block someone they thought was a useful PR (like, for example, Helz if they thought the item he got from Kii was useful, but if Seth said he blocked him on the night that Jake received a message then it’s not him tbh).

@WindwardAway, unfortunately I have to debunk this theory. I was redirected at N1, and successfully placed the item on Atlas at N2. Additionally, Whysper’s role is a 1-Shot. The mech conflict remains.
Someone is messing up N2, and I still refuse to believe it is Isolde.

@Host_Account_1

Town, not touching: Kiiruma, Gorta
Town, not touching unless LyLo: Atlas, Hippo
Townlean?: Isolde, Zone
Nulltown?: Brad
Outer PoE: Night
Inner PoE: Wazza, Helz

I can live with this. …I am still not sure about the existence of the Executioner though. All I have to work with is “nightingale on Zone at D1”, “Jake on Windward at D2”, and apparently “night on Whysper at D3”. Like… it is less of an executioner than it is “an Inventor with extra steps”.

[Zone_Q11]

@Atlas

If you didn’t state it you’d be dying in a mech dome with your top townread

Atlas, I am socially rude.
I admit this. I am not the rudest son of a bitch to exist, but I am still rude most of the time.
Even so, I am not rude enough to not be open about my role. I am not eevee.

[Atlas]

I meant it as a “mech is important, even in closed setups”

[Zone_Q11]

I mean… Yeah. I get that.
Even so: I still believe that we should not focus on Isolde for now.
There are people who need to eventually claim their role; someone who messed up N2.
I am waiting for that person.

[Isolde]

@Hippopablompoyeetus

Whyspers vote to save jake sucked and i think whysper kinda shielded ur slot.

I know its annoying when the reason is 2 other ppl before u were even in game but sometimes thats the way that cookie do crumble.

I mean there’s this and the fact that Wazza and Kiiruma are the only players left alive that voted Luk.

Either Kiiruma or Wazza is wolf or the Luk wagon is pure.

@Wazza

[Isolde]

@Zone_Q11

@Wazza

You make me regret replacing in

ILY2

@Atlas

you said your ability resolves before all other abilities

Yes. It is an active that resolves before all other abilities.

Why didn’t you say that earlier?
Or did I miss it?

[Isolde]

Honestly though.
Atlas/Wazza/Night

Is where I wanna go today.

[Isolde]

@Hippopablompoyeetus

@Isolde i think u might just be the messenger dude who is telling ppl to hang other ppl

I’m not.

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

@nightingale

Arctic says you said you think of yourself as a “setup design hobbyist” so from that perspective how did you possibly think my role could be mafia?

We don’t buy it. I think you’re Whyspers partner and you are telling the truth about being targetted by messenger role who is non-mafia and being given cop check. You used the cop check because you HAD to use it on someone or the messenger role might out you. I think you did it on me because after D3 and my roleclaim you realised you would have to kill me, probably tonight, and you’d rather give a greencheck to a townie who is gonna die.