Not just that
Probably my language barrier, however I have bolded on 4th paragraph and think about it.
Not just that
Probably my language barrier, however I have bolded on 4th paragraph and think about it.
You are. But you come from thinking that execution is a must.
Which is not really true.
In reality when I arrive in thread two wagons were Jaiden and Windward. Both of which I considered ~meh tier.
Whatās more important is macro view - there was no unified town structure in this pushes.
Like today people can rally behind Wind. And Wind has strong presence, even if they are underusing it.
On the other side, yesterday we had several wagons with 1-2 votes each. All of this meaning that scum didnāt really interfere much to direct the thread. And considering lack of unified town, easy to flip the way you want it to go.
Cause honestly, if you say I could consolidate on ANY wagon, that means I literally could go any wagon and have it be succesful. Same goes for mafia.
This is not a situation which is likely to hit scum. Both people with top wagons (2 votes) were ~meh, but not scummy.
Do you really thing that could lynch scum?
And considering Windward alignment was claimed to be town (by God), do you think I was defending Jaiden?
Cause if you want me to be honestā¦ you say that I gave mafia the first kill and direct the narrative.
Meanwhile from my PoV, lack of any consolidation town had on day 1 is what made the narrative being passed to mafia.
And no, I donāt think execution is a must. Especially in role madness like this one.
It doesnāt mean it has to come from mafia able to do multiple attacks, but from all sources of attack
Now again @Magnus what is to gain for town and lose for town in case of low-unity lynch and no-lynch.
Give me answer for all 4 combinations.
@Blizer I tied a wagons on no-lynch, not on a player.
I did consider information what āsomething very stupidā means as interesting thing to know. But I did not want to have either of ātopā wagons, or in reality any wagon straightforward lynched in that situation to begin with.
@Blizer I mean so they did to me here.
But I doubt it has any footing, especially considering they were one of top 2 wagons yesterday when this no lynch thing happened.
I mean, they could think Iām saving Wind, but Windās alignment is ārevealedā. (quotation marks on purpose).
So if Jaiden is town, from theirs pov this threats are logicless.
If youāre referring to right when you arrived in the thread, the leading wagons were actually Jaiden and Wazza. Just for the record.
See, this is where we need to agree to disagree. Lacking a cooperative, unified Town is not an excuse to not consolidate; quite the opposite, Iād say. Unify the Town. If you need an innocent child to rally the Town to do literally anything, thatās a problem.
This isnāt a great argument, but it should relate to this topic: I scumcased Zorvo D1, and he was the highest voted player by EOD1 while I wasnāt even here. And then he was killed by Mafia, but thatās neither here nor there.
Call me weird, but executing an evil on the first day is not my sole priority in any game. It would be nice, but Iād much rather execute a wagon with the potential to be evil, but a villager who might just be suspected constantly throughout the game as a red herring or misexecuted at a crucial juncture is better a swing than a miss. Again, weāll have to agree to disagree.
Windās alignment was revealed at the end of the day and therefore isnāt relevant to this topic.
You managed to consolidate Town onto tying no-exe pretty well.
Executing a low-unity player lets you read wagonomics to see who was for and against that particular vote. Even if you canāt reliably discern anything from that vote on the first day, you can always come back to reading VCs later. Look at who defended that player is they flip Mafia, look at who seemed over-eager to kill them, look at the counterwagons, thereās plenty of information to discern. The only real downside is potentially losing a good-aligned player, but they mightāve been a hassle to read later.
In the case of no-exe, youā¦ donāt kill anyone, thus removing the chance of a villager dying, but thereās also no pressure on wolves to interact with the thread or each other or really do anything except maintain appearances. Youāre surrendering information.
How frustrating, but alright. Itās just a game.
I suppose Blizer should have answer about the reactions then
Oh? But only from mafia attacks? So its fine to let a town or by some other bullshit mechanic coming from their own rolecard cant be prevented otherwise?
Is it because of resolution actions again because mafiaās factional kill comes last?
Oh I forgot day was still going
We should probably let Marluna live. Sheāll resolve overnight if her claim is real. Mafia would have to kill her, so we might as well let them use their kill on her instead of killing her now for them. If she isnāt killed and yet the mafia still can nightkill, then we know her claim isnāt real.
I sort of tried to take leadership to steer a wagon today, but I have second thoughts about marluna so
UNVOTE
while I think for a bit
Hereās a really bad proposal
If we want to vote someone out who isnāt town, and we canāt consolidate on who we think is scum, we can always vote out the claimed 3p (Gorta).
Do you still think Aelin is a good wagon?
Haha, I was going to ask about Gorta as well I do think keeping a 3p with rituals around is a risk
I donāt actually like voting out 3ps but itās better than voting town
Iām not sure if itās better than voting no lynch since it depends on who Gorta sides with
Yeah, Iād absolutely vote Aelin, just that I left my vote on her for like half the day and nobody joined me.
No?
Unless you refer to āIām aliveā, which was made several hours earlier.
But likeā¦ itās not relevant to situation you try to analyze.