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āIf you were to get bombed anyway, youād rather be given the bomb then be bombedā, was how that fitted into context
hereās the votecount as of Guava claiming
guavagudetama (6): Agent47, Geyde, IcetFeelsPain, tutuu, Zugzwang, baker
lol (3): Arctic, Olivest, Apocryphal
Jinxed (3): Zorvo, Arete, lol
baker (1): YoubutWorse
YoubutWorse (1): Jinxed
Not Voting (3): Porscha, thepigeonnyc, guavagudetama
and hereās the votecount as of EoD:
lol (7): Arctic, Olivest, Apocryphal, guavagudetama, YoubutWorse, Zugzwang, Agent47
guavagudetama (1): Geyde
Jinxed (1): Arete
YoubutWorse (1): Jinxed
Agent47 (1): lol
baker (1): Zorvo
Arete (1): baker
Not Voting (4): Porscha, thepigeonnyc, tutuu, IcetFeelsPain
if I color in each wagon on the top votecount, and see where the votes ended up on the bottom votecount, I end up with (color choices are arbitrary)
guavagudetama (6): Agent47, Geyde, IcetFeelsPain, tutuu, Zugzwang, baker
lol (3): Arctic, Olivest, Apocryphal
Jinxed (3): Zorvo, Arete, lol
baker (1): YoubutWorse
YoubutWorse (1): Jinxed
Not Voting (3): Porscha, thepigeonnyc, guavagudetama
lol (7): Arctic, Olivest, Apocryphal, guavagudetama, YoubutWorse, Zugzwang, Agent47
guavagudetama (1): Geyde
Jinxed (1): Arete
YoubutWorse (1): Jinxed
Agent47 (1): lol
baker (1): Zorvo
Arete (1): baker
Not Voting (4): Porscha, thepigeonnyc, tutuu, IcetFeelsPain
ā¦in my head this was going to be useful and now that Iām looking at it itās not very useful. but I donāt want it to go to waste so Iām just going to post it and hopefully someone else can make something out of it 
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Do they know the former?
I find it strange, but for the different point of your accuracy.
I do not think they do.
It was very useful.
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It wouldāve been more efficent to color the first wagon with the color you used for the movers
I took it in the moment as āI want to get rid of zorvoā, but the tone does feel off in comparsion, equally with how much they trust you. I assume theyāve seen more then one game of yours.
my interpretation from how Bakerās been talking about Zorvo this game is that they genuinely, unironically think Zorvo is a good mafia player (I guess based on the Mountainous game?) and seriously believe heād be good with the bomb
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The only logical progression I could see it
-They do not know one of your main wolfreads are on them
-They trust your read accuracy
-They have only read one of your games
The first two confuse me
Well itās a good thing we didnāt execute one of our sorcerers
Unfortunately, we lost them anyway :(
If they believed the latter, why would they not listen to the former; pay more attention to your reads
This all depends on how well Zorvo highlighted his scumread of baker to them, which has a very good chance of rendering the point comparatively null. But it is interesting, yes.
Around 30 of Zorvoās posts are about him scumreading baker. That is hard to miss.
That is a botheringly good point.
I want to see more from baker, then.
Iām not as scary as I seem, you know.
youre really scary
im assuming zug is town because they have a bomb and if they flip mafia theyre dead anyways
pigeon tutuu porscha zug olivest zorvo icet agent are all town (8)
jinxed and arctic id rather keep alive (2)
that leaves baker arete apo ybw and sultan not geyde (5)
walk me through your Jinxed read?
ALRIGHT
hereās the readlist i made overnight, i have a few SLIGHTLY different opinions bc of the flip of guava but itās basically the exact same
im gonna go backread now
these are ranked within the tiers btw (so like agent47 i see as townier than arete but both are town in my eyes)
Townreads
youbutworse - sheās actually obvtown if you think about it
Camgrll/Agent47 - Absolutely loved camgrllās slot alignment wise and agent has kept up wiht that in a awy I would expect from V them. This slot is very unlikely to be scum in my eyes.
Arete - I feel like I have a good idea on how to read them both from being mafia with them and also just getting to know them better as a friend through DND and stuff. They donāt seem cautious, trying to push agenda, or anything like that. They seem to have unique reads that I see the reasoning for and agree with (for the most part.) Very likely town.
Tutuu - Generally good vibes which, I like a lot of their reasoning and I dislike the way baker pushed on them throughout the day but thought their responsne was towny. Even though I disagree with their reads I liked the fact they made a legacy as well as it seemed like they genuinely thought they may die, though admittdely dislike how much they relied on arcticās read and tryed to appeal to arctic throughout it.
Olivest - Good vibes from them, according to others thereās also meta that makes it extremely clear theyāre town. I havenāt played with may or story a ton but overall their posts seem good. Seems to be spewing out pure thoughts from brain to keyboard which is very v indicative (and apparently something they donāt do as scum either)
Zorvo - IDK how to read this guy but apparently heās obv town so gg
Townleans
Achro/Pigeon - Achro himself seemed V to me and seemed actually genuinley upset with the small argument he had with camgrll which I feel like points to him being town. Pigeon just seems lost and I havenāt seen much from him, and if he doesnāt post more within a few days Iād like a few eyes there but I think this slot is more likely town than anything rn.
Geyde - I donāt like the dropoff in activity but that could jsut be due to IRL things. If he continues posting heās fine imo, but if they continue to be inactive i think he could just be coasting
Null
Apoc - From what I remember they were overall fine but I remember a ton of varying reads on them and none of the reasoning behind many of those reads. Also just genuinely donāt remember their slot much tbh and donāt really care to check.
Porscha - Feel like I haventā seen a ton from them and donāt have many thoughts on them that are actually mine. Would love to talk to them sometime to gather a better read about them
Icet - It feels like they havenāt posted a lot and I know Iāve seen them but I donāt rememebr them doing much on the entire game as a whole. Someone else I would like to talk to and gather a better read.
Overall I feel like all of the nulls are just kinda coasting, which is fine and not really NAI, but thatās why I donāt have many thoughts about them. (yes ik apoc posted a lot so theyāre an exception to that im mainly talking about porscha and icet.)
Sorcerer claim
Guava - They claimed sorc. I donāt believe it personally bc of how convenient it was but thereās no point having an actual read on them bc weāll find out for sure whether they were lying or not tomorrow.
Scumleans
Baker - Honestly with Lol flipping town I felt better about this slot than I did but I still think theyāre more likely scum than anything. Donāt like the way they responded to my push on them still (like is it a tunnel? yes, but that doesnāt mean iām wrong and i am also not soley focused on you, you are just trying to discredit my read on you) Their sudden vote onto Arete near EoD was very very weird as well, donāt see what the point of it was whatsoever
Zug - Disagreed with a lot of their reads and didnāt liek their reasoning for many of their pushes. REALLY disliked their āguava has claimed sorc, pls ccā. Everyone kinda let it slip under the rug at the time bc of the panic but like that is insanely scummy for someone to say and doesnāt really seem like something a town member would do (mainly bc they bothered to ping EVERYONE in the game as well to try to get them to cc).
Scumreads
Arctic - Iāll say it, I think this guy is just scum. Heās spent a lot of time posturing himself in thread as a weaker player when that clearly isnāt the case and just acts in a way that doesnāt make sense a lot of time. (Like saying ādonāt sheep meā doesnāt mean people wonāt sheep you, that should be obvious yet he treated it like a get-out-of-jail free card for being wrong on his reads). He also didnāt even keep that up and let people sheep him away, so he clearly didnāt want people to not sheep him. Completely disagree with a lot of his reads, seems to only be pushing on me bc I started to push and suspect him. Also looking at how he pushed on Lol feels like blatant TMI of lolās alignment, kept preflipping him as mafia to encourage others to vote on him. I aināt just gonna let the powerwolf powerwolf
Jinxed - Pretty obv scum to me honestly. Didnāt have a read on me until I voiced reasons to believe they were scum and half of them were just straight up bad. (SERIOUSLY, LISTED SUSPECTING MORE THAN 4 PEOPLE AS A REASON TO SCUMREAD ME, YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT ISNāT THE MOST ARTIFICAL SHIT). Iām pretty sure arctic/jinxed are both scum trying to get rid of me bc I scumread them both. Individually I also scumread baker and zug but idk how well they fit into a team with those two, Iām not really gonna pay attention to teams until there is an actual maf flip though.
which ones are the different ones?
fwiw I donāt think this is a strong point for ~any decent player
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