An Attempt at a Sorc 17er - Game Thread

ok i finished ybw’s iso

all i got is a great look on baker

mildly good look on zorvo

i found nothing clearing for olive, porscha, icet and pidgeon

ybw had the least interactions with porscha, icet and pidgeon. interacted a bit more with olive. if that means anything at all. it could not because thats sort by post count. it could mean something. i dont know

The Handy Dandy Atlas Readlist (now with c4 sauce)

Town. It is a waste of your time to reconsider.
Agent47 (Backup)
Apo (Bomb)
tutuu (Arctic was, as far as I’m remembering, certain.)

Zorvo (Arctic and Arete towncored him.)
baker (Arctic had 100% certainty in this. I will trust him.)


Townmetareads
Olivest (Arctic and Jinxed, if I recall, heavily townread them. I think Jinxed towncored them, while Arctic did not.)
Porscha (By tutuu, who was correct on town 3 times and on scum 4 times. Zugzwamg believed in these odds. I will for now.)
Everyone else.
Pigeon (Achro was towny in his argument)
Jinxed (I thought hazard was towny enough to survive d2.)
Icetfeelspain

Scum. It is a waste of your time to reconsider.
YoubutWorse (Arctic was claimed to be lockscum. He was not. Arctic claimed this was lockscum. Arete thought they could be “obvious wolf” if Arctic was not)

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“Atlas. Your poe is four people.”

Yes. Yes it is. Any other comments?

maybe it is pidgeon after all lol

i dunno. let me try reading their iso

could potentially be the same wolf TMI that YBW and Jinxed did towards guava, I suppose

YBW’s iso is full of empty-ass quotewalls I’m bored already

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:thinking:

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Here's what I had

Alright, taking YBW wolf as a given, here are thoughts.

First of all I should ahve seen that opener sooner :-1: Weird acknowledgement of lurking. Second of all, I can see this mentioning three town: the Arctic read is correct, so the rest of the most is more likely to be agenda-y & makes me feel better about baker. World where this has a wolf in it would probably be baker & means that YBW is, like, leaning into TMI early on. Which is weird in this game state. Soprobably not

Mentioning disliking someone’s vote on townie, points for tutuu (tutuu already has many points)

This is clumsyyyyy and I think it’s intentionally trying to seem unaligned with Jinxed

Calling baker’s post antispew that names 4 town. Awesome. What does this mean. I have no damn clue what htis means. I can build a million worlds for what it’s triyng to push it is an endless sandbox [pit to me. Mods what does this mean. Also more empty interaction with Jinxed

Everoyne look at this post ^^^^ ^^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^^^^ It says everything

Listen you all can read. I can just quote posts. Actually I don’t even think doing this wall format is that helpful and I’m tired an d don’t want to can I just give you my conclusions.

Yeah this contains 0 wolves

That also probably contains zero wolves and it reads like YBW is clumsily trying to bat it down

Strongest thing I got is baker’s town, Jinxed is wolf, I don’t see any other super heavy throughlines of interaction here, even scanning through what I didn’t do in-depth. Leaves list as follows

Townread:
baker, tutuu, Zorvo, Agent47, Apo

PoE:
Porscha, Icet

Mafia:
YBW, Jinxed

Aaand that’s four people. Mafia is easy

[quote=“thepigeonnyc, post:3582, topic:5604, full:true”]
I was looking through YBW’s ISO for reasons on whether or not I should vote her, and I concluded she looks towny, as a lot of her posts seem to try to solve the game and she posted that giant readslist

potentially an odd combination of posts (admittedly 1500 posts apart)

scumread and vote on apo in the first one

second one i say “dont worry theres no way apo and arctic are v/v” and pidgeon responds with that

@thepigeonnyc what happened to your apo scumread at the time?

Mafia is hard. thepigeonnyc is a player that exists int hsi game

@thepigeonnyc
@Jinxed
@IcetFeelsPain

Good evening. I hate pinging people, and so I would not do it without a reason. You may be keen to notice that you are, infact, at the dead bottom of a central readlist, depicting the strongest townplayers and mines reads, and continuations. It is important to note we have only one mislynch or miskill. It is your responsibility, then, to make sure it is not you. Please attempt to argue for your case.

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Eleven players are alive.

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I am the best player at mafia and I am so good at it all the time

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Stick pigeon in between TRs and PoE, I think he’s towny but I don’t have anything hard unaligning or clearing him like I do everybody else

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I’d like to extend this to @Porscha too please

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The 4th wolf has us pocketed real good and it’s making me anxious we will lose f3

But I’m confident we can kill at least 3 wolves before that

This will be a very close game, exciting hahah

This isn’t meant to be “I’m town, because of X, Y, and Z”. I want you to find someone else to throw under the bus in your place. Fight to survive, please.

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Alright so who is Tan? That’s my favourite among us colour I told hosts in Rolecards at the beginning of the game and I made a joke they might be mafia so I’m curious who has it.

Zorvo… What are you doing? How does this matter? Why should a colour affect your reads?

Just feel it that my favourite colour is Mafia.

Any colour can be mafia.

Man, idk. Look. I’ve been trying to do so much. Like I explained why people were town, I explained how things happened, I did it all, tried to provide reason even tried to help Arctic survive and explain what they needed to do and they didn’t do it.

You can’t expect people to just do what you say.

No?

No Zorvo you can’t. Everyone has their own way of doing things and you won’t change that.

Right but there is optimal ways and after Arctic and Arete death it’s next to impossible to win, town can’t make a comeback here, I don’t think I can pull this off at all. I even explained Arctic’s post about them explaining how they wolf, yet no luck.

Town can make a comeback but you need to start working together with them.

Bullshit! There is no way it’ll work. I couldn’t get anyone to follow, vote or Bomb my wolf reads, the only person I was wrong on was Geyde’s slot but I only start having that read Day 2 mainly.

Zorvo. Could you have done more to save those town slots?

Not Arctic’s, I tried to save them!
Maybe Guava and Lol but you should also know how busy I get on week days due to work.

Being busy isn’t a valid excuse you should know this.

Sure it means you have less contribution and time to read stuff over but that wasn’t the point of this assignment I had given you.

I asked you to convince others on your reads, properly.
You seem to think you have to make a wall post or some giant case. Did I ask for that?

You implied it.

No I really didn’t. I was implying to work with others, understand their perspective.

Well I know Baker’s perspective is wolf.

Let me ask you something Zorvo, When you keep calling people wolf or calling people town what do you think that’s doing for you?

Telling people that I found someone’s alignment, showing them my perspective.

Ok. But do you think that sounds like a “Leader” you want to be? I don’t.

What does it do to me?

Zorvo, let’s say I think Baker is town.
You tell me here’s a wolf but give nothing else.
It doesn’t change my mind, I’ll still town read Baker.

But I have reasons! I have reasons to wolf read Baker.

Maybe you do, but it gets drowned out by all the times you just state an alignment read with no context.
Not only that but sometimes your “reasons” won’t be enough to convince somebody.
You can’t expect to convince others like this.

Have you seen my wolf reads? Do you want to see my reasons!

You know what Zorvo I think you’re gonna do it anyway so just do it.

Also you remember my Tutuu town read yeah?

I remember all your reads, go on.

Ok well here’s my wolf reads and stuff:
Jinxed - Their thoughts seem unorganized, their interaction with Ice day 1 didn’t feel right, there was some more and still something I need them to respond to.
Agent - Their treatment between Baker and Jinxed doesn’t feel right, their talk about the 3 wagons yesterday felt like they knew it was all town and then when they made their reads post it looked bad to me like they were expecting an Arctic town flip.
Baker - I forgot my first initial reason, my second was how they handled that EoD1 with Guava.
Baker had a bad reaction to when they realized Zag had the bomb and their interaction felt bad to me, Agent felt what Baker did about this but never actually went forth on it.
Baker called me wolf because I am a “cautious town” but that makes no sense and they can literally look at their wolf game and see for themselves that the read there is wrong.
Their response to Agent made absolutely no sense, yet Arete still townread them for some reason, it’s like why did Baker say “I’m town” to a conversation that had no context to say that?
Porscha - When Zag came very close to calling the bomb on Baker’s head, Porscha came out of nowhere to deflect it by saying Baker softed PR.
Porscha also voted YBW with ease as if they didn’t care who went over, or rather let me just say that them and YBW are not both wolves.
Olivest - I don’t like how people just threw this slot aside and this is also one of the slots that took the opportunistic approach day one and called Lol/Arctic TvS.

Also I think we shouldn’t always go by take down the weaker wolves because guess what sometimes there isn’t weaker wolves and if there is why not go for the strongest and have the weaker ones fall down?

There is a reason they are the weaker wolves. If there is wolves there is always a weak link. You are quite unlikely to get rid of the strongest link.

Quite unlikely! But it’s still possible yes?

Depends.

Depends on what!?

Depends on how bad you can make the wolf look

You know what I’m done with this you fucking bitch.

No need to swear at me, you shouldn’t directly call someone that. (It’s also not nice.)

You’re the exception you’re not a player.

Maybe, but the readers wouldn’t appreciate this.

FINE you know what, how about YOU do it.

Pardon Me?

YOU show ME how it’s done, take my place.

I want YOU to show me how to do it, we also lost our best players. Arctic, Arete and Achro. Like you’re just like Arctic. Just as good as him I think, I haven’t directly seen you play like at all but you are probably like him but like accurate reads maybe?

Yeah I really don’t feel like playing this for you.

I also have allot of respect for Arctic, I don’t think you can compare him to me, as I don’t think you should compare them to Arete, Arete to Achro, etc.
I think everyone plays different and everyone has bad games.

I can’t do this anymore, as I said I think it’s impossible for town to win now.

I really don’t want to play for you but you’re gonna throw a fit so fine, I’ll do it!

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Adorable. Read the posts so far in this thread, please.

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