Could you elaborate on this? Is there anything at all which you could cite as a reason that you feel this way?
Hello, everybody. I’m excited to play again.
Inexplicably, I find this post wolfy. I believe it is due to the sense of meaningless correction here, as it forms an assertion of game-knowledge without any actual productivity.
This is something I feel others might find to be a wolfy post for the reason I mentioned regarding Canping above, but from my knowledge of Marluna in particular, I don’t especially feel this way.
I find this brief pop-in lightly villagery.
Similarly, this rebellion is utterly pointless on its surface, so I like it.
A piece of mechanical speculation: I do not think Zone_Q11 would have added this role without a greater purpose. While the revealed rolecard cannot contain overt lies, as this is a bastard game, I feel there must be some interesting intention here, and so I suspect there is a “tradeoff” to keeping this role alive, whether it is the ability to anti-claim it or otherwise. Does that mean we should execute it? I do not know for sure.
The other potential “function” of this role is to create a tradeoff for the mafia, whether they choose to kill or roleblock the NPC with a known powerful role or a villager with an unknown role. I would find this an interesting choice, but I am not sure if that is exactly Zone_Q11’s style.
As a note, if the mafia have any blocking power whatsoever, they can roleblock Smiley and then claim its benefits for themselves, so it is not clearing for a player to say they received a benefit from Smiley. I believe the only announced benefit is the private vote, so this strategy is only possible on Night 3. It is obvious enough as a strategy that I will not play coy about this possibility.
While this backpedals on the rebelliousness I found villagery, it feels natural and unforced as a clarification, so I am not modifying this read.
I continue to feel rather neutral about Marluna’s discussion here: it is something that is utterly fakeable, and yet something that a villager does have every incentive to say.
Jarek is my top town for the time being.
This is also good thought.
I appreciate the mindmeld with Willow here (and the indignation from Jarek), though I do not think it especially alignment-indicative on its face.
This is good on-the-ground self-reflection which I find villagery.
I find this rather genuine.
I also find this thought genuine-seeming. A Leafia who legitimately wolfreads Jarek intensely would have this exact thought.
I like this thought, but I do not think it is necessarily true: the neutral could be considered an additional “role” which is in the game. I believe the fact that the role “joined the game” in the signup thread implies that it was a pre-game effect rather than an in-game one.
My thoughts exactly.
I find this unprompted thought to be villagery.
I find this aggression to be slightly villagery.
This opener appears to be what should more naturally come as an “inside thought” for wolves: “we can anti-claim the neutral” is something that a wolf would first think to say in wolfchat, not in the thread. However, it is too easy to fake for me to feel especially good about.
I find this post agreeable enough.
I also agree that there had to be some intentionality to this decision. I do not think such anti-claim would be disastrous to the village, as it is almost certainly “free” for the wolves and avoiding triggering it means giving up our execution for the day, but there must be a tradeoff.
Constructing a read list:
Jarek t
Willow t
Leafia t
Chomps lt
Kiiruma n
Canping n
Heiter n
soweli n
Marluna n
I do not find these first hundred posts especially fruitful in terms of finding wolfreads. A large portion of the players have not yet posted, of course, but I do not think the wolves necessarily lie in that pool.
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low-key I just thought “hey i should probably vote somebody, too much mech discussion too early is bad etc.” and then scrolled up and got vaguely bad vibes from this post
i think? I don’t know i might be placebo’ing it and also I did read the whole thread but don’t think i gained anything from it; i do have another person i’m considering voting (ooh spooky!!!)
I see. I certainly cannot fault you for failing to find much in the thread to date – I have also found myself in the same predicament – and I find the thought process on Canping realistic and similar to my own.
I will place soweli as a light townread.
I am mildly concerned that 2 people voted canping immediately after me;
Also I mean idk take a free townread for the walls with like good enough reads wow nuance <3 idk i’m sleepy and/or not in a good mood and/or sick but in a new way somehow
Did double check and I am still interested in voting [player] but am refraining from doing so for strategic reasons or something di
damn
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nah
but i’m not sure if that’s actually what’s happening
but if it is. yea no it’s NAI
no, they can’t.
they either leave it alone, or kill it. No middle point cause of the neutral’s immunity.
(or anti-claim it, if the anti-claim isn’t someone’s ability.)
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Ah, it appears I missed a line. Thank you for the clarification.
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Couldn’t sleep and no, it probably won’t clear me.
Please explain.
All in all, I’m getting villagery vibes from Rhea right now. Townlean.
How is that a mindmeld?
Now to head off for real. Good night again everyone. 
Hello everyone
Does this site’s definition of Non-bastard include falsely revealed information? If it does we can essientally ignore smiley. If it’s not controlled by any players I see no motivation one way or the other to allow it to win. If we happen to sweep the mafia team fast enough then horary, we did what we aimed to anyways.
I find it interesting, and a little wolfy, that Marluna would first point out that the neutral has town sided abilities as a reason not to kill it, rather than the more obvious (atleast to myself) reason that its simply a wasted kill. Even if it had no abilities I would not want to kill it instead of a potiental suspect.
This makes sense to me.
I’m willing to skip evaluating Leafia until this occurs. I don’t think villagers will get much benefit from any form of disscussing this, letting Leafia pick on their own gives us the most insight into their alignment.
I appriciate Willow effectively skipping RVS here, Jarek aswell gave town something to talk about and got the game going, and I think it is slightly town aligning for the both of them.
Did chomps intend a naked vote to be pressure? Pressure doesn’t just come from votes existing in space all alone, they need something more to go with it.
they quickly move it but it seems odd to call it pressure still.
I notice that almost everything Rhea points out, they call “villagery” with the small exception of the first 2 posts and some neutral thoughts on Marluna. I found it difficult to get much of anything from these early posts, especially anything that would direct me to vote in a paticular direction, so its reassuring to see someone else on the same page.
Also I’m stealing this idea
What do you mean by you “might be placebo’ing”? I have some other thoughts on this post noted down but I would like clarification first, posting them would spoil the read
Is there any reason for this beyond “Vibes”? I personally agreed with their view of threadstate
Well.
It would be literally a wasted kill for mafia as well. It (Killing a neutral benign on itself) doesn’t help them getting closer to the victory. (Unless it becomes a kingmaker for the opposition, but this neutral specifically can’t even do that.) So I didn’t feel a reason to pinpoint someone as scummy simply for that reason.
But if you read the Neutrals ability, it definetly has townsided abilities, so town has way less reasons to execute it than the scums.
Also was it really that obvious for everyone beside myself that Jarek was joking?
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yeah, i personally think it was just a meme vote, the comments they’ve made after the vote does actually support the idea it is a joke.
^this also prove they care about possibility smiley ends up evil at some point, if its due to a player
jarek seems town
oops sorry you already did
why are some of you nitpicking that it certainly isnt AI only 1 or 2 posts out of my other posts? this is just clutching on straws
this right here is just me wanting to confirm if its smiley or the hydra, i completely ignored the host post about smileys role card at that time.
This also is just me talking nonsense to myself, its like adding a check note about chomps that i clearly did not know voting hydras early game is a constant behaviour for chomps
However, pointing out my posts doesn’t really help in some case, is a valid opinion if that is what you are on about.