April Showers The Third - MAFIA + NEUTRAL VICTORY

[Jarek]

Broad strokes

[Frostwolf103]

Check through #547 and #1332 in Day 2 and look for any of my posts regarding Heiter

Starting from #645 to #1327 if I have ANY posts to Heiter’s defense SOCIALLY

I am nice enough chap to give you the bulletpoints

@Frostwolf103

@Chomps since you are mistaken of Starboy (sure we all did) would you like to quote Starboy’s posts that leads to your vote?

@Chomps

Star’s esrlier messages just made me think they come from an agendaed perspective, i read them, i can see a wolf making those, trying to control their words and just appearing towny, slowly making the first plays to their pushes later in the game

My first post on Day 2 I am immediately on Chomps regarding Starboy’s wagon, his reply he’s snoozy and won’t reply, that’s fine…

@Frostwolf103

Nevermind the introduction, tell me what you read in this game so far, todaystory (and Aleph)

@Heiter

I haven’t, really. It’s all just words. I like your initiative though I think (??) youd be more aggressive towards me as scum here instead of trying to allow me to join the game

This is a natural question as you can see.

I am switching back to Chomps:

@Chomps

Okay after a read i think it was not any specific message just tone? Starboy read like the kind of player I’d be really scared of when they’re wolf, and it probably influnced me subconsciously

@Frostwolf103

Gut feeling does comes from specific messages that give you strong impressions, again I am sure you could point that out.

@Frostwolf103

Because otherwise I think you are plagiarised

@Chomps

there are no specific messages it is still the tone

@Frostwolf103

From his exact words, he have exact viewpoint I have about Starboy

I accused him as wolf in Starboy’s wagon for not having a real reason to vote Starboy, there’s no messages he have pointed out and I am suppose to believe him on vague fallacy?

@Frostwolf103

With four players, and how do you describe not pure?

@Jarek

Look at the counterwagons and tell me none of them were wolves. You can’t. No way we let them fly under the radar while voting someone I strongly believed to be town.

@pandora

who were the wolves in your opnion?

@Jarek

Canping/You, and lets be honest the starboy wagon isn’t pure in all likelihood

@Host_Account_1

D1 Final Votecount

Starboy (5): Kiiruma, Frostwolf103, Canping, Chomps, SMILEY
pandora (3): Rhea, Leafia, Starboy

@Host_Account_1

Canping (2): soweli, Jarek
Leafia (2): pandora, Marluna
Chomps (1): ElizaThePsycho

Jarek is bringing a good point

@soweli

mmm I liked chomps’s posting d2 enough to not really want to kill him right now

@ElizaThePsycho

chomps seems like an easy push, I’d hesitate against actually executing him

@Frostwolf103

At the best case, I do think he earn some pressure to prove he’s town.

That is what I have been doing at Early D2 and I take opinions from Willow and Soweli at heart.

@Frostwolf103

And I am guessing you vote Heiter, from all available information we know, Heiter is the one not moving according to Pandora and Marluna’s mech?

@Rhea

Look, I will come out and say it: I have mechanical reason to believe that Heiter attempted to perform the night kill last night and was stopped.

@Frostwolf103

I see, Pandora mentioned 2 out of 3 visited. I can see roleblocked.

I do initially agree to Rhea’s reasoning.

@Jarek

I wasn’t going to say it but I didn’t visit last night, and I don’t visit

@Frostwolf103

That’s fine I suppose.

Moving on.

@Frostwolf103

It’s Rhea believed Heiter is roleblocked, otherwise it would have been 1 out of 3 successful visits, not 2.

Suppose I have looked at this the wrong way

@Frostwolf103

Chances are, the item can be real, but something else have prevented the attack

I am starting to opening a world that does not belong to Rhea’s roleblock item

@Frostwolf103

What are the chances there is a wolf in the two main wagons D1?

@Jarek

If both are town, very high, if one is a wolf, then there’s more of a chance they’re on the town wagon than the wolf one. you can see what i’m getting at

@Frostwolf103

One can possibly on Starboy yes, although on your view, you think Pandora is town as well?
(Before the 3 watch thing)

@Jarek

I think they could go either way

I am making sure to understand Jarek’s view one more time

@Frostwolf103

@pandora

i count the number of visits my targets GET, not make

Reckon that items do count?

(Also yeah there is no way Rhea receive item and use it at same time)

Clarifying Rhea’s item

@Frostwolf103

I think the second successful action that Pandora got mech information from, has to come from Smiley. Annoying that interferes wth investigatives, I think Smiley used Night 1 action on Heiter. theoritcally speaking.

There’s where I started my theory, I know I dont have to repeat all of this.

@Frostwolf103

But I wont distract any longer of that, I’d like Chomps dead now.

@soweli

frost is town (but still wrong on chomps) actually i changed my mind

@soweli

has your reasoning changed past not liking his reasoning for voting starboy

@Frostwolf103

It is the same thing, but it’s not I don’t like his reasoning, it’s not there. I told him multiple times where he finds the gut feeling in his Starboy, he just copy-pasted all of the posts, and nothing.

I talked with Soweli and disagrees with him.

@Creature

Which would be Heiter

but they’re already at 5 votes so not sure if this is really necessary

@Frostwolf103

Sure it’s not necessary.

@Frostwolf103

While you could vote Heiter so Leafia won’t get CFDrilled

While it looks I am defending Heiter, I actually give other players suggestion to vote Heiter because I’d rather not let Leafia die on execution Day 2.

@Leafia

VOTE: Heiter

Frostwolf sheeping my accidental vote is concerning however.

@Frostwolf103

Everything is concerning nowadays

@Frostwolf103

And why do you think I defended Heiter from?

@Jarek

You’ve been actively defending them and playing devils advocate for them with “but what if smiley did this, what if what if what if”

@Frostwolf103

I spend whole day trying to get Chomps voted out and defended Heiter, I’d say that’s no pointless discussion.

@Jarek

I think your votes as of late have been oppurtunisticand the reason I’m voting heiter is because you’re starting to look like W/W partners if Rhea is actually right.

@Frostwolf103

Why would I unvote when I immediately believe Canping’s claim?

I recall I unvoted Chomps when Canping claim to have roleblocked Jarek, thus the official visitor in Pandora’s mech of Heiter, Marluna and Jarek next to Rhea.

@Jarek

If you’re no sheep who do you propose we vote then?

@Frostwolf103

Right now I have no more quarrels with Heiter going over, because smiley theory got debunked thus no doubt is left, I actually didn’t feel Heiter saying he has holstered.

However I see no point of Leafia’s counterwagon unless Rhea intend to pick Eliza

Nah I have spending time between Chomps and Heiter, I get disconnected with the rest…I am looking between you or Kiiruma. Not a wagon to get you over, but allowing Rhea to use the ability.

@Frostwolf103

Just this once, if somebody else is voting to L-1 I am unvoting

VOTE: Heiter

And…that’s where it ends, I have further no defense to Heiter, there’s no real defense to be found here.

[Jarek]

So you’re voting willow, what’s your case on them

[Jarek]

Yk I’m trying to see what you think about the game see if I think your perspective has TMI in it or not, you can choose to say nothing it’s a valid option but it won’t do much

[Frostwolf103]

I am actually willing to move in Chomps, but in short this was following Chomps’ mech until it is pointed out that Willow is part of marluna’s chat, at that time I am believing Chomps is town that during that time.

Especially with the evidence from Chomps debunk Willow’s push on Leafia when it’s known that Leafia is not in chat

Also look in the wall of text I mentioned earlier, Willow commented that Chomps is easy push…like what?

@ElizaThePsycho

Why am I magically the top wagon

@ElizaThePsycho

Because Leafia is scummy???

@Frostwolf103

There is now mech evidence that Leafia cannot be evil

@ElizaThePsycho

Go on

@Chomps

Day 1
Frost, Leafia, Rhea. ( 1 )

Day 2
Carbonated, Soweli, Creature. ( 1 )

Day 3
Willow, Canping, Kiiruma. ( 2 )

@Chomps

I put 3 names, they’re kicked from their chats until the rest of the day

@Frostwolf103

@ElizaThePsycho

@ElizaThePsycho

What does this mean

@Frostwolf103

Chomps can remove a player from a private chat room like neighborhoods and mafia chat.

On Day 1 there’s me, Leafia and Rhea. I confirmed that I got removed from chat, I am the only person in that bracket that Chomps choosed. Making Leafia and Rhea mech confirmed that they dont belong to chat at all.
(Sure there’s lost wolf, but we don’t know of the existence at all)

@ElizaThePsycho

What

@Frostwolf103

On Day 3, Chomps got two hits.

Between you, Canping and Kiiruma.

I am from the neighborhood, Canping is in my neighborhood and there’s a second player that has a chat too.

Between you or Kiiruma

@ElizaThePsycho

Does mafia chat count for chomps

@Frostwolf103

I dont think it will, hypothetically, neighborhood chat will be cut off before mafia chat so I won’t be lost wolf for the entirety of day until start of night.

@ElizaThePsycho

You what

@Frostwolf103

Hypothetically.

@ElizaThePsycho

Chat is this a scumslip

@ElizaThePsycho

Oh nvm im dumb

@ElizaThePsycho

So Leafia isn’t clear

@Frostwolf103

Leafia is clear actually

@ElizaThePsycho

No, your logic doesn’t add up

@Chomps

My ability cuts all chats, and includes the mafia chat (asked to host)

@ElizaThePsycho

Oh

@ElizaThePsycho

WTF that ability is busted af

@ElizaThePsycho

W/e ill unvote

So I am not removing my vote here.

[Frostwolf103]

@ElizaThePsycho

VOTE: Chomps

hell

@ElizaThePsycho

chomps seems like an easy push, I’d hesitate against actually executing him

I am going to say this, Chomps and Willow are unpaired.

[Frostwolf103]

@pandora

VOTE: jarek

Please don;t

[Jarek]

Why not

[Frostwolf103]

Vanity vote, practically does nothing.

[carbonated]

VOTE: Willow

yes i am not voting frost

[Jarek]

Frostwolf103 (4): Jarek, Chomps, Marluna, Leafia
Willow (3): Canping, Frostwolf103, carbonated

I don’t know much about carbonated, I think frost is a wolf and I can see canping being town based on heiter’s flip

lol

and then you have frost wagon which is town, town lean, a null and leafia

[Jarek]

[Jarek]

Marluna today has echoed some of the points that I’ve made that I like so they can go up in a read a bit there conditionally

If I’m wrong they aren’t getting credit for nothing

[Frostwolf103]

@Jarek

and then you have frost wagon which is town, town lean, a null and leafia

Don’t forget Pandora, she is on that wagon earlier. I actually believed she is referring of people making a choice between Willow and myself, not the voters.

[Frostwolf103]

I am thinking we found the wolf team right there.

[Jarek]

Pandora is in the same boat as chomps currently - the boat of “wolf or not their ability is being actively used to the detriment of the evils if the info is real so letting them squeal is more valuable than killing them”

[Jarek]

Chomps can be legible to die starting tommorow when they’ve checked everyone if people think that slot is wolfy but today they should not be killed and tonight they should be protected, that’s how it is

[Frostwolf103]

That is town consensus agreement, I also think Chomps is unpaired from Willow.

[Jarek]

I haven’t seen anyone but myself put it into words but yeah

[Frostwolf103]

Leafia I believed is agreeing that Chomps need protected.