April Showers The Third - NIGHT 3 (12/16)

Those feel self-contradictory.

I’m almost never aggressive as a wolf.

You say this about a post in which I gave three other wolfreads. I am not “focusing solely on players not posting”, I placed a vote for a player who had posted earlier in that very same post. You are not criticizing somebody who only gave wolfreads on zero-posters, which would be a fair criticism, you are criticizing that I spoke about zero-posting players at all – that I even acknowledged their existence. That’s an extremely strange thing to do and it comes across as motivated by agenda: wanting to shoot down other players who are talking about wolfreads on you.

The excuses I am referring to are not “I could not post during the first half of the day”, that is fine. The excuses are “everybody on my home site can read me fine”, “even inexperienced players can townread me”, and so on and so forth, which you seem to be saying in lieu of providing readable content.

That is fine, then, but if you are town, please provide content to allow us to correctly townread you.

Making reads is how you avoid being misexecuted. Playing purely defensively means playing indistinguishable from how a wolf would play, as wolves have equal motivation to not be executed to villagers. You have less than four hours left to do this, so please get started.

I am saying that it comes across as if you are playing solely to be townread and that being seen as wolfy is failure, as opposed to what I am used to from villagers, who also have the goal of finding accurate reads, whether that’s townreads or wolfreads. You come into the thread, try to argue that you are readable and not wolfy, and leave without seeming to try to making any reads at all beyond a mild townread on soweli.

It’s not a hit and I have a confirmable ability. I wouldn’t have said anything about it if I was a wolf. There’s another small part about it too that’ll become known to the person I picked and yes I have picked the person already, that I haven’t mentioned her yet. I’ll let everyone know if you really want me to though although I’m not sure how smart it would be.

Why would you be concerned about them for not posting? Usually inactivity atp is NAI, not concerning, unless they are clearly checking in thread once every a few hours.

Again, I am saying this in response to Leafia saying I have a wolfy playstyle in general, not specific to this game. I often take accountability when I am wrong about a player’s alignment, so I find it pretty annoying when players blame me because they couldn’t read me correctly (or didn’t even bother to try) last game or something.

This is a fallacy. Just because you have confirmable ability, it doesn’t makes you town.

Well, I don’t expect to be townread right now when I have expressed only like two townreads.

I am prob standing firm that soweli is my only townread so far. Any other townread I express right now will feel ingenuine because it’d be a blind guess.

I am prob standing firm that you thinking childe and me not posting should be “concerning” is pretty bleh.

I am prob standing firm that it’s in general bad mafia practice to blame the players you wrongly wolfread. If you’re wrong about someone being a wolf, maybe you need to reconsider what you consider a wolftell.

Other than that, I don’t have anything else to talk about that wouldn’t feel ingenuine. I am prob gonna try to follow the thread and see who is the better lynch based on what other players argue.

First of all, it is bad for the game broadly to players to zero-post. It makes them completely unreadable. Even if you claim that activity is NAI, which I do not believe, a player who has completely failed to provide any alignment-indicative content is being more anti-town than a player who has created readable content.

At the point that I expressed the concern, I already had seen content I found villagery from the majority of the game and had placed most players above null in my read list, so it was natural to look toward the zero-posters.

All of these players had been villagery to my eye thus far, leaving only six players, including two zero-posters, below null.

It was only natural to express concern about the zero-posters in such an environment, where they made up 2/6 of my non-townreads or light townreads.

Well, I already posted two reads I believe in:

soweli is town for sounding a lot different than the Wrogn mafia.

You look “concerning” for thinking not posting is “concerning”, but this is just a weak suspicion I just wanted to start on. I prob won’t advocate your lynch for that.

Again, the whole readable thing is just a criticism to someone calling my playstyle inherently wolfy.

For the record, I am usually pretty defensive (and also offensive towards my pushers) when I am wagoned, because I don’t want to be mislynched and I am willing to fight it off.

I completely agree. It is bad mafia practice to refuse to post anything game relevant. I’d prob policy lynch someone if they keep refusing to post even if they can.

But sometimes activity is indeed NAI. You can’t just expect someone to break work rules just to play mafia.

I can’t believe I’m about to say this but I lowkey think that’s justvCreature being a willager at the moment. Granted, I haven’t seen him as a wolf yet mind you.

I never said it did. No fallacy there.

Out of all of the wagons, I feel Kiiruma is the likeliest hit.

I do not expect you to break work rules to play mafia. But when you are a complete blank space on a list of players who have broadly shown themselves to be rather villagery, I am going to be concerned about your alignment. I was similarly concerned about Frostwolf103, who posted content that I found completely null overall, though I did not mention him in the post we are discussing because I had already noted this beforehand. I have tried to explain this multiple times. This will be my last.

At this rate, I do find the steadfast insistence on having only two reads to be villagery, as a wolf could easily slip out of this situation by finding another person to claim to townread. I do need another counterwagon, but I find none of the current options attractive. Chomps and Canping are the closest to null, but I still do not feel any particular reason to vote them.

VOTE: pandora.

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Whatever. I am probably retracting my wolfread on you for finding two players not posting “concerning”.

I don’t think Pandora/Marluna are w/w, but I do think it’s somewhat likely that one of them is a wolf because neither have a reason for vo TV ing me. Voting me for being aggressive is dumb. I’m rarely aggressive as a wolf after all and why wouldn’t a villager be aggressive when they believe in their reads?

Who do you think pandora and Marluna would each individually be aligned with if they were wolves?

No.idea. i’m not that good at telling that sort of thing although Kiiruma 8s a contender.

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