Binary Stars Hydra JoaT10 - Town wins!

[AerieRaffles]

Slight town read mb
~Raffles

[SquidSisters]

this reads genuine to me

[Monochromatic]

I have to say the fact that (seemingly) a big reason why you scum read my slot was i am different than other games we have been in, i point out one of those games is scum, and i am still your top scum candidate is kind of wild.

Why do you scum read me again?

-A

[Monochromatic]

I read in reverse i apologize.

‘I dont think it sparked conversation’ um, it led to a lot of conversation what are you talking about. As i said in the other game the mechanical question is wholly besides the point. How people react and interact with things matters a great deal to me. A lot of my early reads were informed on the reactions to that.

Also if you dont find it unnatural for someone to note the topic is slow before even addressing posts trying to get the day rolling i cant help you. I could be wrong that it is from scum but i certainly found it jarring. Although i will say my lines of attacks not making sense to you should actually remind you of last game given how we went back and forth day 1 so i am not sure what to make of this aggressive stance on this now.

-A

[AerieRaffles]

I can put the vote back but if nobody else is willing to vote it there’s no point in having it there

VOTE: Monochromatic

I’ll restate why I think they’re suspicious

@Monochromatic

VOTE: terranceleehew

First scum locked onto pew pew

This vote is still abysmal
They explain it later but I don’t like the reasoning

@Monochromatic

It is really that you took the time to note sod is slow but not respond to my question which is meant to get the ball rolling.

Because as other people pointed out there’s good reason to be suspicious of the question
Monochromatic is going to say it’s not but how am I meant to believe that when they’re the one being pushed, yeah?

@AerieRaffles

@Monochromatic

Okay then yeah i think may is trying to out run her meta then. She has seen me as scum be very calm and collected in victory so her believing for a moment any of that part about projectong confidence is just straight out of nowhere.

Okay, but how does she(?) play as town? And how does that contrast with this game?
Because she’s definitely different from how she played in the other hydra, but is this also different from her town gameplay? Because if it’s similar to her town gameplay then… Occam’s Razor, yeah?
~Raffles

@Monochromatic

May i feel is pretty savvy as town tbh

Savvy (adj): shrewd and knowledgeable; having common sense and good judgment.

Now, BostonFlours was… wrong. There’s no getting around that, their argument against Monochromatic was not good. But this is your only thing to say when I’m like “is she different than she is as town?” The response is “she’s not using common sense?”
Unless you think they’re making a bad argument on purpose I don’t see this and I still don’t see a reason that BostonFlours is scum other than “they were wrong ”

@Monochromatic

Lets lynch boston. If they flip town joat can shoot me tonight. Easy.

This is the only post that sticks in my mind as “Monochromatic town” because if they’re scum, unless they’re bussing BostonFlours, this is asking to die.

@Monochromatic

Okay so new idea

Boston scum
Everyone else posting town

BigFooled, SonicAndKnuckles, Neon_Genesis_Marluxion, Orochimeowru

One of these scum.

Thats where my mind is at

Wait, where did the terranceleehew read go?

@Monochromatic

I’d say Boston is paired with Orochi (because I have a very tiny grudge on Orochi), but the latter is less defending the former, and more curious towards the status quo, so I’ll hold back on them.

Boston is a scumread of mine because of one dumb reasoning: “They scumread me (or rather, this hydra) first. Therefore, they die first.”

• Zone

This still sucks
I don’t think that this is good faith
I hope this comes from scum, and not a town, because… yikes for Zone if they’re pushing Orochimeowru because of a grudge and Boston because “mm they voted me first ” genuinely

@Monochromatic

Nothing you said is wrong here but i am currently tunneling boston until i am satisfied or proven wrong.

I have no current issue with a derps pursuit.

Heyyyy
Hey but didn’t-
But didn’t you say they were town?
You said they were scum but then you said they were town but then you said you don’t have a problem with them being pushed…
Just what is going on inside your head(s)?

@Monochromatic

Fate. That is the only word to describe what has transpired here today. I can’t think of anything but that singular word as my pulse pounds inside of my skull. Here they are, two soldiers of fortune in the war that is life before me. I can no more choose their end than a bird’s song chooses when the sun rises. To swerve now would be making a decision. If I felt it was my right to make tough choices I wouldn’t be behind on my productivity report, would I? No, I know who I am by now. I know what I am. I am man who allows others to decide for me. I am not the one that is going to end AerieRaffles’ existence on this earth. They did that when they crossed the road. I am but an instrument of their end. LeafiaButWorse, on my left, would be an intentional act of violence. No, I won’t carry that burden. Any loss of life is regrettable, but AerieRaffles simply was placed in my way by God and now I will send them home to their maker.

Clearly them choosing to hit me and Aerie with their car unpairs us and this definitely has bearing on the game /j

@Monochromatic

You do realize your hydra has played 4 games with me, 3 of which I have been scum, correct?

I ask because you say I am different but um.

???

FUCK that reminds me I need to look back into the Hell’s Echoes game and compare it to this one

@Monochromatic

Umineko

ew

@Monochromatic

It ain’t helpful, and I am not saying he’s towny either.

Wait but you-

@Monochromatic

Oh, no. Even while I was backreading when there were only ~230 posts, I didn’t like Boston’s arguments to attack Achro. “Tons of typos → Scummy” has got to be one of the stupidest arguments I have ever read in my life.

So it’s not just because they voted you first?
Loving the consistency

@Monochromatic

There were four people who didn’t talk at all at the moment, which is why I didn’t do anything more other than a slight shade at Orochi–which I literally debunked in the same sentence.

Oh yeah we already talked to Zone about Orochimeowru oops

@Monochromatic

VOTE: AerieRaffles

Okay this slot has been playing too much soft defense of Derps this game and I don’t know if it is TMI or protecting a partner but I know I don’t like the soft defense.

I think I already responded to this but I’M DEFENDING THEM BECAUSE THEY’RE TOWN

Also I’d hardly call it soft (pun intended)

@Monochromatic

You are not as experienced as HK and don’t have the same degree of “know better”

@Monochromatic

If you are town, why did it not occur to you to think of it as rolefishing?

This is… not a contradiction, but you answered your own question
It didn’t occur to me because I’m not as experienced as LeafiaButWorse or Hollowkatt
What a strange thing to push on
This is another thing I already answered though

Anyway, a lot of Monochromatic’s logic, on both sides, makes no sense to me
There’s just… a lot of inconsistencies or weak logic
So, sure, I’ll place our vote there
But the reason I haven’t been pushing them is I pushed them earlier and NOBODY FOLLOWED
I don’t think anyone aside Achro noticed my vote was on Monochromatic. Including Zone and Aerie, our partners!!!

[SquidSisters]

water is so tasty yummy i go om om om om

[Monochromatic]

“I’m defending them because they are town”

You sound pretty certain lol

-A

[AerieRaffles]

~Raffles

[Host_Account_2]

Vote Count

terranceleehew (3): SquidSisters, LeafiabutWorse, Monochromatic
AerieRaffles (1): BostonFlours
LeafiabutWorse (1): Orochimeowru
Neon_Genesis_Marluxion (1): terranceleehew
Unvote (1): Neon_Genesis_Marluxion
Monochromatic (1): AerieRaffles

Not Voting (2): BigFooled, SonicAndKnuckles

[AerieRaffles]

@Monochromatic

You sound pretty certain

You know what? I am certain. I 100% believe that terranceleehew is town and you can think I believe that because I’m scum but that’s what I believe

~Raffles

[Monochromatic]

That is such an unhinged take i feel like it could only come from town tbh

[Orochimeowru]

Cream start

so i think enough time has passed that i can speak on terrance

Hesitant on Terrance for a few reasons

Pairings
AerieRaffles -too blatant defense to be W/W
SquidSisters -IDK but I think they are town, IIRC they did vote terrance
NeonGenesisMarluxion -strong desire to bury so prob not
Monochromatic -would have thread control to move it away but doesn’t seem like he cares
BostonFlours - the “lol lemme vote Boston” feels a bit unpartnered, I think distancing would go harder
LeafiaButWorse - thought EOD was 24 mark and chose Terrance over Aeries
SonicandKnuckles - i don’t think wolves do nothing when one of them is being voted
BigFooled - i don’t think wolves do nothing when one of them is being voted

Thread has been sitting on Terrance for almost 24 hrs with not much movement and if Terrance is wolf, I think there would be greater attempt to move votes elsewhere, which I am not seeing much other than I guess the push on Aeries. Wagon feels stale

If Terrance is wolf, strategy of just going at Neon is uh… well the dude is not gonna win that one. I think wolves are incentivized to at least not die because if we kill wolf then the JOAT becomes 10x more threatening and it doesn’t seem like Terrance is genuinely trying to survive today

also did double check and skim meta from 2 games and idk, the guy seems meh as town so idk how much worth to put into Marl’s meta read

very much a circumstantial read, admittedly the posting itself isn’t great but between all of the above, I have low confidence this guy will actually flip mafia

open to thoughts on why i am wrong, if you think terrance is wolf, who is scumbuddy and what is the wolf team doing?

[Orochimeowru]

VOTE: Bigfooled

feel like this is mafia lol

[Monochromatic]

Refuge in audacity is a thing and also as we saw last game sometimes scum just get frozen by early attacks and have an uphill battle.

I am still mulling over things but in a 2 v 8 game it isnt like a lot of scum are around to dictate matters.

–A

[Monochromatic]

Not the worst vote tbh

-A

[Host_Account_2]

Vote Count

terranceleehew (3): SquidSisters, LeafiabutWorse, Monochromatic
AerieRaffles (1): BostonFlours
Neon_Genesis_Marluxion (1): terranceleehew
Unvote (1): Neon_Genesis_Marluxion
Monochromatic (1): AerieRaffles
BigFooled (1): Orochimeowru

Not Voting (2): BigFooled, SonicAndKnuckles

[Orochimeowru]

tbh I do think about that but even if its 2 v 8 I still expect to see something?

who do you think is wolf with terrance?

[AerieRaffles]

@guavagudetama

@Achromatic

So juat for the record you have no problem that neon presumes that when i am attacking her it is a misunderstanding

Looks at what I said
Looks at this
I didn’t say that iirc but I don’t have a problem with that either

@Achromatic

when i ask if she is town reading me she says no

Yes, I don’t have a problem with this

@Achromatic

and you see bo potebtial perspective slip about knowing i am town from the fact that she is comparing someone’s flip that if she is town she does not know to two flipped towns.

I’m trying so hard to read this sentence it’s been such a long day

No I do not understand how her comparing your flip to someone else’s flip is suspicious, if that’s even what you said

@Achromatic

You think all of that is valid and isnt tmi about my alignment?

“It’s tmi that you aren’t town reading me because I did the thing town did in a previous game”
-you

@Achromatic

Because guava you have provided neon more reasoning for her post than neon herself did. You kind of wrote the defense for her that what i was doing was townie because two town did it but neon never said that.

You
You asked

@Achromatic

Why am i town here, guava?

You literally lead me down the path

@Achromatic

Are you seeing the problem yet?

To explaining why you’re wrong

Like you can repost that one thing you said to Zorvo where you were like “your lack of understanding is not my problem” but your logic just isn’t making sense to me

Is this what you were talking about when you said I didn’t understand you? Because I feel like your logic not making sense to me is NAI considering I didn’t understand most posts in that game because my brain was fried after Stratagem-10’s Memes/Jarek/guava fight for like weeks
~Raffles

[Monochromatic]

Well lets have ourselves a think

Its not team raffles unless they just decided to go for it. (They did not)

Its not marl because bussong this hard day 1 on a 2 v 8 is very bad.

Squid has just been parked on them. Probably not them again with the bussing thing. Same thing for leafis

Its not me

Leaves us with 4 teams

Could be you in an ironic twist for you posing the question but i do have a strong town read on you lol

Team garfooled ia delightfully not unpaired with everyone which is why your vote is a fine one.

Sonic and knuckles havent done much although i liked the vibe

And boston. I forget that interaction tbh

[Orochimeowru]

I did think Terrance + Garfooled at one point but idk my brain does not want to believe in an easy solve lol