Bland & Flavorless Mountainous 15er - Mafia Winnered

i’m here (but not like fully, i just got home and have stuff i need to do soon)

i had a weird dream last night where i was a wolf in this game and i got nominated for best wolf performance after we won just because theres like no good noms for the category

You have literally no reasoning for this.

Yeah this feels pretty bad.

You are ascribing implications that don’t exist to support your reasoning.

Exactly.

I already gave the argument why Neon and Aro died but literally everyone alive ignored it.

That’s because people generally just call the village bad rather than the wolves good when wolves win here.

i feel like all of these can be explained by stuff i’ve already told you whether it be me taking a backseat, or me genuinely scumreading magnus (so i’m not sure why that’s even a point in the first place?)

the last point is like… okay yeah no i was going to sugarcoat it but this read just never works on me
like the last time someone tried to use this read on me was when Marl deathtunneled me at the start of valorant FM because i was deflated due to the way the game was going (and i even wanted to roll wolf that game)

my enjoyment of the game in recent times has become much more linked to how the game is going for my alignment rather than my alignment itself

i mean it is true like 90% of the time

I’d still like to see some trustfalls/distrustfalls btw. We need to actually work together. You guys have not been doing that all game long.

that was like a tangential part of my case against her
what are your thoughts on the main body (where the vote is)

you won’t be happy to hear this but it was partly because i agreed with their eliza take at the time and partly because i think the way they steered away from zorvo to eliza felt villagery in the moment because if they were trying to make a push on zorvo in bad faith then turning around and shading people who are agreeing with you seems counterproductive to this, and it implies that arete was genuinely trying to solve the game rather than push in one direction

do you have reasons to suspect arete other than the eliza take

this is rough because otter/may are probably not w/w (though i’ll revisit this soon) and my scumread on otter has not really changed since the start of day 2 because they haven’t done anything else of note since then, and the only reason i want to kill may more is because they’ve become more wolfy than otter since then

gamestate wise though otter feels like the consensus-poe slot that everyone ignores which is usually a wolf, especially since it’s an easy push to make today since they haven’t even turned up and yet only vulgard is really going for it

I don’t understand why Marl wolfreads the take and is going so far as to misframe a dead villager’s posting to implicate Arete. Normally I’d say that makes someone obvious mafia but this is so on the nose and so unnecessary to do as a replacein wolf that I am just confused.

basically all of them?? Zorvo [who I think is a villager] has been tunneling me all game and my main scumreads were both wrong

it’s not like a thing you could only ever do as scum but I think you’d be more likely to do it as scum than to do it as town so it’s an update in the direction of you being scum

I can explain it better but it’ll require Math, let me know if you want the Math explanation

this read is extremely dubious

have you considered that them disappearing may be due to unrelated reasons to the game rather than #strats and this does not affect their chances of being a wolf

do you have a read on their actual content

i don’t know what you’re saying i should be disagreeing with you about, but i have disagreed with you several times that otter was a villager wagon (though i am currently unsure at the moment) and the reason i am not voting them is because i think may is more wolfy and otter/may are probably not w/w

i already said that i don’t think your take on their eliza take is good because i townread it, and your point on aro’s question just feels like regardless of your alignment you are trying to spin that as wolf indicative for arete when it is a massive reach
ultimately i don’t know whether this is wolf AI or you are just confbiased because it’s just unnecessary but i do know it is :joy_cat:

do you have thoughts on literally anyone else

ok so if I kill them and they’re a wolf you’re next

you’re welcome

this post from otter is really strange
i missed this before somehow
like… i was going to call it TMI but surely this is too blatant
either way the post doesn’t make sense regardless

what does this even mean

the implications DEFINITELY exist, it’s just you dont agree with them because you’re convinced you’re correct

arete has yet to answer my ping explaining their logic wrt eliza