lol
well i feel like i’ve given you a perfectly good place to start (“who do you think is good or bad?”) if you want to work with anyone at all, i’m kinda stumped on how else i could help you out here
and uh
maybe this is more obvious to you than me but why me of all people
I moved Arete up b/c I was liking some of their posts while interacting with them at the time
I also townread them SOD today when they came into today with the whole “vote me out while working with me under the assumption that I’m town today or never vote me out” and I’m weak to that kind of ATE and I was expecting a sheepable solve from them if they were town but they come up with something like Arctic/May/Lemon and Arctic/May/Prisma 
the second post was also some time after I did my first ISO on May (I can’t remember if I townleaned May after my first ISO or not) and the day before, May plopped an unexplained vote on me and dipped so yeah, I was scumreading May then
but then I re-evaluated because I felt I had been too focused on Arete being scum this time so I went and looked into other people’s ISO’s instead of digging through Arete’s and possibly confbiasing myself further but I managed to reasonably find the people I ISO’d as towns (May being one of them)
The request was half-joking, I just… don’t know who to believe, and you’re kinda separated from all the arguments and accusations going on right now - I know what Zorvo’d say if I asked, I know what Arete would say, I know what Arctic would say, they’re all part of the web of accusations; you’re more of a neutral (ish) observer, and I’d like to hear more of your perspective.
it’s like you scumread Arctic and idk I don’t remember if Arctic was scumreading you or not but I think they’re not scumreading you anymore but you’re both pushing me and trying to build some kind of case based on me being w/w with May
or at least that is what it feels like to me
@Zorvo, if you think the scumteam is Arctic/Arete/Prisma, what do you think their mindset is? What is their goal right now, what executions do they hope for today and tomorrow, do you think they’re planning to bus, distance, use their remaining credibility to get two misvotes, what’s the deal?
reevaluation
imo I’ve been pretty clear on which specific post changed my mind on Arctic, you trying to feign ignorance is not really helping your case regardless of your alignment
the thing that made me think you and May are likely to be partnered is just … reading the posts Arctic quoted, thinking ‘what’s going on here from a town perspective, what’s going on here from a wolf-interacting-with-town perspective, what’s going on here from a wolf-interacting-with-wolf perspective’ and
the interactions were Not Great.
fmpov you coming in to me + Arctic casing you as aligned with May and being like ‘haha guys Arete and Arctic are totally openwolfing’ feels pretty transparently like an attempt to try to discredit us because we’re right
well, i was considering voting you lol
if prisma becomes viable again i might go there. i’m really not sold on those seppuku posts being towny, that’s a kind of post that younger me misread a lot.
i wavered on lemon for a moment just because it was apparently so obvious to arctic and arete that they communicated the whole thing non-verbally? and i realized i was talking about the lemon case a bit like how i do when i accidentally tie myself to wolves. but i just… am not convinced by their points and am convinced by my points.
Also, for the record, everything I do is artificial. I am a liar forever and ever and this will never change
Whyyyyy does everything slip out of my head as it does. Why must I suffer in such a manner. I can’t solidly make a single read because I can’t ever… find a bottleneck, the wolves could be doing anything, the nightkills have been so generic and the executions to this date so… bad (in large part my fault) that I don’t understand their mindset and I don’t get the Tone of this game. They could be doing literally anything. I guess I’m used to having a flipped wolf, but I’ve solved games without one before… ughoughoughuhhhh
Which one of you fucks am I misclearing speak up
for me the thing (which I did use words to communicate!) that I find the most compelling about Lemon, even more than anything about progression, or number of interactions, or anything, is the first Iso they made on May
like, here are the comments they actually make on May (colors added by me):
but they conclude with:
which is just, not consistent at all with the actual things they said about May? like the best things they could come up with without hedging were like “this is fine,” most of their townpoints-comments were marked with hedges or qualifiers or “but they could fake this as scum”! none of that makes sense with a conclusion where someone is a “comfortable TR”!
arguably this can just be an argument for Lemon!wolf but the interactions the other way are also kinda 
I think one of my issues here, largely caused by my absence on previous days, is that a lot of people have not had serious wagons pushed on them. Nobody’s voted Molly (that I remember), so I can’t analyze how people treat her slot, Lemon’s been consensus town for so long, and it’s too late for me to poke at these things myself (or maybe I just feel it is). I need to get more flexible. I need to learn how to play games where I haven’t done the first few days perfectly, or essentially at all.
what is your read on Lemon
If asked, which is what you were doing right now, I’d say I have a null read on Lemon. I would probably say the same for literally everyone else in the game, because I am suffering under “no reads disease”, probably the most significant illness I have right now (lying voice), and everything is up in the air and floating and I cannot grasp at any of it.
I’m actually currently trying to look at Molly/Lemon equity, because I glanced over an interaction that Molly had with Prisma that looked W/V to me, and then I went “well if Molly’s sitting back and letting these executions happen maybe other wolves are coasting as well?”. Neutral on that. Lemon’s been insisting Molly’s town, which’d be interesting to do with a partner, but as I’ve said multiple times, there is no pressure I can find anywhere on the wolves to act or treat their partners a certain way, so :frogge: dunno.
Though I do wonder if that “arbitrary decision” I made that one night to pick Lemon as the target to force myself into a corner… I looked at the list of names and picked her. Was it so arbitrary? Maybe I was onto something… I wouldn’t know, I don’t remember, I only know why I did it in the first place because I made a joke about it in my rolecard… but I’ve been complaining all game about not having instincts, maybe this is the best I can find. I should look into Lemon in isolation more probably.
can you expand on this
yes I have a reason for asking
There’s usually… corners. There’s little ways you can see the game progress that let you have some insight into what the wolves are thinking. If wagons move a certain way, if nightkills go a certain way, you can kinda go “okay, they’re nervous, they’re cornered, they’re bussing”, an unusual nightkill can indicate an unusual wolfteam, that sort of thing. If people are frustrated in thread, maybe the wolves don’t get along well.
This game, it’s just felt like nobody has ever been nervous the entire time, and I don’t know if it’s because I’m not seeing the tells or because the wolves are sitting back and letting things happen. It feels like everyone’s a little… fragmented, trapped in their own heads, and not picking up on each other’s cases, so the wolves can say whatever they want without real fear that villagers will pick up on their bus, and they can also defend their partners without too much worry coming from it (especially since we haven’t flipped a single wolf so far).
If they push villagers, they’ll carry little responsibility for it, because people are coming to so many conclusions independently and will blame themselves. If they push their buddies, nobody will pick up on it. I dunno. None of this “vibes of the gamestate” is anywhere near an exact science, and it’s often something I struggle to articulate even when I have strong feelings.
woah the shade
I’m most definitely not feigning ignorance
I either missed it or I read but forgot about it because I didn’t agree with your reasoning
if you could direct me to that specific post you’re talking about, I’d appreciate it
I think it’s less about how “not great” my interactions with May are but more that (fmpov where you and Arctic are wolves) you can’t really find me as individually scummy so you try to use interactions with (probably another town) May to push either me or May because the thread was kind of leaning that way and we seem like the most viable pushes.
I don’t think you’re trying to read me in an objective or genuine way
like, the way you’re approaching this is again, not in a way that’s trying to find my alignment or sort me and you don’t express any kind of doubt in your scumread either, which is something I’d expect from you at this stage of the game where you (from what I’ve gathered) haven’t been reading the game too closely and we’ve been having a streak of town misexes. I think the aggression you have here feels forced and you’re faking the confidence to make your scumread appear more substantial than what it actually is.
I also find the way you treat Zorvo/Jarek/Prisma’s slots and how you easily gave them townreads without going into detail why they’re town (from the couple of posts I’ve read, correct me if you have gone into detail) and the way you’ve been treating my slot this phase to be very different. In particular, when I’ve stopped slanking as much and towned it up with more ISOs and WiM to solve, you somehow found that wolfy?
I literally don’t know what to say if this is your town game.
May, talk to me about your reads because I’m feeling kinda snowed here and I want to know if I’m still sane or not