Bland & Flavorless Mountainous 15er - Mafia Winnered

[Arete]

Zorvo Jarek Marl Prisma

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molly Arctic May Lemon

how stupid is this

[Prisma101]

? What do you mean

[mollylikesorigami]

i agree with the sentiment at the end of this post

but no, i am not doing this lol

[Arete]

“villagers”

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“not villagers except for one person”

[Prisma101]

Still confused

[Arete]

I was throwing out a possibly-very-bad pseudo-readlist, with the top four names being town and the bottom four names theoretically being 3/4 not town

and then asking how stupid it was (it is probably very stupid)

[mollylikesorigami]

well i like lemon and don’t think arctic/may works so this is maybe not gonna work for me lmao

[Arete]

why doesn’t Arctic/May work, that’s one of the parts of this I feel less bad about

alternatively

starting with the assumption that I am town, who are the wolves

[Lemonfairy]

@Jarek

So first question there’s a post cap of 100/150 right that’s awesome just checking I can read up but I’m lazy and idle conversation is fun,

Second question…I don’t have any more questions yet I just got here and need to read up.

Think someone said No-Exe is a good idea and usually I’d agree however none of us have abilities so the only information we’re really going to get outside of social reads are executions and peoples reactions to them. Our goal should be to get as much information on as many people as possible before lylo and hopefully with the information we gather by the time we get to lylo the wolves are obvious

this is fine
NAI though

@Jarek

But you clearly distrust me based on your reaction to my opening post and you don’t seem to be willing to place your vote anywhere else, what’s the harm in applying some pressure to a potentially evil player to see if others agree?

this is… Jarek trying to get Magnus to vote them?
it doesn’t really ping me either way but feels contradictory to the meta of “Jarek reacts badly when pushed as town”
going to say it’s NAI

@Jarek

I don’t have a tell I will never have a tell I am a pure brick wall of emotions I am unreadable

@Jarek

The joke is that when I get voted I defend myself quite viscerally at times. It’s a good joke I appreciate it.

yeah, I don’t think it’s an applicable tell anymore since Jarek is very much aware of it

@Jarek

Zorvo just got done trolling a bunch of villagers last game I wouldn’t put it past Zorvo to have rolled mafia again and is confident enough to joke around like this. It’s probably NAI but I will treat it as if it is.

hmmm

@Jarek

I don’t think this comes from a villager. “I’m not a wolf guys promise!”

@Jarek

Lol.

Then there’s that whole counter-push on Arete that just reeks of being a wolf at least to me. It’s not even the first time I’ve seen this exact thing happen.

and hell just to be sure kill Arete too because theatre is a thing.

Jarek seems not w/w with Zorvo or Arete
if Jarek is ever wolf, it’s with Prisma and Arctic (only remaining people in POE so far from my previous ISOs)

someone remind me to check the likelihood of this team if I find town in Arete and Zorvo
and/or if I can’t find town in Jarek

@Jarek

Is this deferral of responsibility implying May is going to push Zorvo for being wrong or that they’re just shrugging their shoulders and letting whatever happens happens and being oppurtunistic? probably the latter I would assume.

not sure if this is written from an Arctic POV or from Jarek’s own POV
it kind of implies that Zorvo is town though

@Jarek

So you know. If I’m right and you find the wolf in that trio the other two are townies.

I don’t see why it can’t be 2/3

also, isn’t it just Zorvo and May?
who’s the third?

@Jarek

The third person I am referring to is a ghost because I’m dumb and thought there were three.

this makes more sense

@Jarek

Hot-take nobody who is actively posting in-thread with these wall-posts is a wolf what would everyone think then.

@Jarek

Yes I am town-reading Magnus/Zorvo/Arete/Arctic potentially.

Zorvo is the least towniest town-read but I’m chalking that up to me being me. I won’t explain what that means.

I think I would kinda lean takes like these town
hard to say though

@Jarek

What does this even mean. You think ? So you don’t even know why you think I’m a wolf and think others aren’t you just have a feeling? That seems very unlike you considering how you’ve been acting with everyone else. I can’t vote you twice. But I would if I could.

bad reaction lol
this isn’t w/w with Zorvo

@Jarek

I’m town-reading Arete because you aren’t and that’s honest to god why. I don’t even think it’s your fault I just deeply distrust you and your confidence. I don’t think that confidence makes any sense. You can’t just know someone is evil when you’ve spoken to them for 2 hours. I know you play like this I know it’s not AI, I still don’t like it and I still won’t accept it. You aren’t just finding a wolf because they didn’t trust you it’s as simple as that.

@Jarek

What’s dissonant about it, the fact I said I town-read them then started throwing shade on them 2 seconds later? I did say I trust Zorvo the least. I very much mean it.

oh no
I might be townreading this

@Jarek

I’m not frustrated at least I’m not like angry or anything. I don’t hate Zorvo or anything like that I do genuinely think if anyone has a chance of being a wolf out of the top-posters it would currently be Zorvo because I don’t see red flags anywhere else yet /shrug

hmmm

@Jarek

Not yet I haven’t looked at anyone in my humble opinion it hasn’t been long enough the iso’s haven’t ripened yet I can’t get a read from 10 posts (including the introduction shitpost everyone does)

I can look at some people real quick if you want

switches treatment of Arete based on Arete’s tone (e.g., “can you explain this, this feels kind of dissonant” and " would it be accurate to say that you don’t think he’s a wolf , you just think he’s annoying/overconfident/etc. and that makes you want to kill him even if he’s not?")
Jarek is much more obliging and polite for the second

@Jarek

My god these iso’s are readable this is impossible.

Eliza:

From 18 posts I can glean that they have either distanced from Zorvo or are not alligned with them, they look like they’re soft-defending you by throwing shade on May by questioning why they trust Zorvo so much which is awesome. Probably a villager from what I know of how eliza plays but it’s literally 18 posts

Arogame123

Mega tinfoil but helping the newbie seeming town player prisma makes me want to call them scum I mean they literally even said they were pocketing them as a joke which haha funny (it’s not a joke). Seems to have dedicated most of their thread presence to interacting with the new guy

I mean hey nothing wrong with that just uh…You know. The pocketing joke makes me

these are fine
low-key mindmeld wrt to Aro is probably good?

@Jarek

So I’m gonna say if Zorvo & Arete are T/T like I think they are there’s probably a wolf super egging them on because it’s funny but honestly that doesn’t even neccessarily need to be the case. I wouldn’t be suprised if all three wolves were sitting and watching the town wreck themselves for the early game.

kind of towny thought to have but it’s still more NAI imo

@Jarek

I skipped some posts to cherrypick to fit my sick agenda

Idk to me this looks quite defensive right before Zorvo launches the all out “you are a wolf and here are people you have scum equity with” offensive which is just an interesting reaction for a starting read from another player I have to say.

I know I said I town-read the fella but when I read the Iso and look back at past interactions the whole being defensive when there’s no real reason to thing has come from a wolf Zorvo in the past. I don’t know if town zorvo does this too, if so, disregard this point.

first line is lol
I don’t really think scum would say that? weak townlean

this post is fine

@Jarek

to be honest this whole thing just seems to have happened and people like magnus and arctic and blah blah are just pitching in and picking sides which is honestly not a good thing if you ask me. In an ideal world this is W/T but if it’s not then we are literally just doing nothing while we fight over 2 villagers killing eachother for no reason

lean town again
post gives uninformed vibes

@Jarek

Wow.

hilarious response to my gibe

@Jarek

Not really no but that usually changes later on so I’m not worried yet.

@Jarek

It’s nonsensical and illogical but I just want Zorvo to be wrong and that’s all there is to it. Look into that at your own peril I assure you.

@Jarek

Someone who is fanning the flames, like you. Not everyone who is going to be doing that is a wolf for hopefully obvious reasons but oh well.

yeah, this is fine

@Jarek

Would you accept the answer that I haven’t put much effort into reading iso’s and have blindly thrown town-reads in the general direction of the loudest voices for D1 because that’s what I did. I just don’t care about them.

the boldness here I think is more towny but tbh I’d really like to see a really solvy post and not TL this slot just for “boldness”

@Jarek

to be fair I did. I’m pretty sure. But you have to bear in mind I was coming into that game fresh off of my first mafia win where I was uber-confident and thought I was the best or whatever that’s not true any more I’m back to my old self. That’s not to say I can’t be super confident and stuff I’m just not feeling it as much this game. Sometimes you just get a good read on someone and sometimes you’re kinda wandering around and I’m the latter right now.

I could try harder to fix it but I don’t really want to right now to be honest I’m comfortable with it. I’ll get off my ass and do something about it later. I know people are going to mald that I’m not being active but uhm…Cope.

same comments as previous

@Jarek

The main take-away here is that I’m really lazy and don’t feel invested in the game just yet.

-_-

@Jarek

my readlist

Town:
Arete
May
Arctic
Eliza
Neon

Null
Everyone who I haven’t listed

Would like to Flip
Zorvo
Aro
Magnus

looking at scumreads, Aro and Magnus were town
I think Zorvo is also likely town

looking at townreads, Eliza and Neon were town
also think May is likely town
ok reads list ig

I also like how they forgot/left out a bunch of people

@Jarek

I’m going to iso magnus and make a big wallpost about how evil he is, get proven wrong then post a walter white falling over gif and leave until EOD

@Jarek

Iso makes me want to say Magnus is town so does anyone want to point out why magnus is specifically scum to them or am I just a lunatic god help me.

yeah, ok
Jarek can be town

I’d put them lowest though

[mollylikesorigami]

i haven’t looked back at the posts, but i remember arctic kinda going ham on may and trying to pull everyone toward her?

if you’re town uh

arctic zorvo may lemon jarek marl prisma

just chuck zorvo outta there rq

arctic may lemon jarek marl prisma

arctic still has a lot of posts that just feel like really real town perspectives, and i’m willing to mostly set aside his eod with his explanation, because my gut still thinks something’s off and his explanation doesn’t cover it, but i don’t think i know enough about his uh, “forum mafia character arc” to make a strong judgment there. his may push was kinda lame to me, in a “seriously, this is what you’re choosing to get stuck on for this entire day?” sense.

the best thing i can say for may is that she has creative thoughts, but that’s probably just because may is creative. she feels like she’s been doing very little to move the game and get her way. i remember when she was really up against the wall in goat^2 she really put her back into being heard. i’m not sure how much of this is her being sick, but it feels a bit much even so.

i feel surprisingly comfortable with my lemon tr at this point honestly. i can see the gears turning and the engine revving up. only point of concern i have is how much she focused on how so very towny i was for correctly, intelligently tring her, when i think i have plenty of towny posts that aren’t about that, but i know this read is more instinctual than anything, so.

i think jarek generally just believes what he’s saying. if he does normally play by making a ton of wolf reads and charging forward with them like he says, i think that addresses my only serious concern with him.

i think that the things marl says, he says like he believes them, but i also remember in goat^2 that he was looking super hard at everyone, constantly evaluating and reevaluating even on slots that he had already said were “locked” or “obvious” or “always”, digging into unique angles everywhere. here i’m getting like, none of that. he feels stuck in time.

i think prisma did have good-looking posts early on, but they’ve really gone nowhere with any of them and i’m having trouble ignoring it the longer it goes on. like, they seem barely conscious of the fact that town wins by killing wolves.

if i just go off of “who do i have the least reason to like”, it would be may marl prisma. i don’t have a great track record with just saying “who do i have the least reason to like”.

(i haven’t read today outside of like the first 10 posts and pings at me.)

[Prisma101]

@mollylikesorigami

they seem barely conscious of the fact that town wins by killing wolves.

I know thats how we are meant to win but i cant provide good enough proof against someone and if i agree with someones reads i don’t know how to explain why and everyone still continues to ask even after i say I don’t know and give as much reason as i can

[mollylikesorigami]

arete does feel genuinely exasperated with the gamestate today tbh

[Lemonfairy]

@Marluxion

i haven’t backed out of it, it just feels wrong to push it given what vulgard was saying before they died

fair enough

@Marluxion

still dont townread them, they haven’t actually used this ‘day’ they are buying by ‘accepting death’
they just kind’ve exist, again.

agree here
was hoping for some high-level solving but I’ve had to do it myself

@Prisma101

Anyway im just gonna

VOTE: Zorvo

this does not amuse me

@Prisma101

Also forgot to say I am willing but whether i am able is another question

I believe in you
you don’t need to do it well, just make an attempt
that is all I ask for and all that I will ask for

@Arctic

why though
the game has roughly the same amount of posts
that’s kind of the point i’m making - you felt more involved in the actual movements of that game in contrast to how you’ve played this one by making catch-up posts in a seemingly structured way and otherwise having little grasp on what’s been going on. there’s way less initiative here

because I’m busyyyyy
like, are you seriously making an activity read on me?

but then what about today, when I’ve actually had free time to post?
you’re making assumptions on my meta (which is still mostly unstable) based on skimming what, one game, and also having never seen me wolf (and I can assure you, my wolf game is not this high level - not yet, anyway)

literally, I am saying this now
if y’all aren’t townreading me after all those ISOs, you’re either a wolf or you have serious skill issue (not reading my posts is counted as skill issue too b/c I said so)

@Prisma101

Arete and you are kinda wolf

I am literally never w/w with Arete
(or with anyone b/c I’m town but I’ve been pushing Arete so it should be obvious that we are not wolves together)

@Arctic

i don’t think a newb wolf can or would think to fake this post unless they have already played social deduction games before

I think it’s definitely fakeable and not clearing at all for a newb wolf

@Arctic

which i don’t think a newb wolf would have the confidence to make

I also think this is a bad reason to townread Prisma
you’re giving too much cred for this

the other reason is also dependent on spec about what’s happening in scumchat, which cannot be proven either way
I’ve had a good amount of experience with newbie mafia players on my homesite, trying to help them as both town and wolf and I think the TR you’re giving here is for what I’d consider NAI stuff

@Prisma101

Literally only just among us lol

yeah, this counts

@Arete

bolded’s what I’ve been saying all day but I don’t think we should policy him over it, it probably would’ve been worth it on day 1 but on day 4 it’s just like ‘oh let’s send ourselves into LyLo to … stop Zorvo from trying to do the same thing?’

I think this was unnecessary
like literally no one has really listened to Zorvo this game

side note, I think blaming someone for town doing badly as a whole is an unfair/ew way to look at things

@Arctic

her other stuff is insanely villagery though so. idk im torn

molly is just town tbh

[Zorvo]

@mollylikesorigami

well i like lemon and don’t think arctic/may works so this is maybe not gonna work for me lmao

MY FUCKING GOD, everyone is so Townie except for Prisma, Arctic and Arete.

[Lemonfairy]

@Arete

@Lemonfairy

what were you trying to do?

(and is there anything you can point to that would be evidence you were trying to do that and not just saying this now)

if you look at molly’s post that I was replying to:

@mollylikesorigami

and also it felt like she was townreading people a lot harder for tiny, fairly weak things than last game, but otherwise i got nothing

and then what I was doing in the spooky halloween game:

Completed: spooky halloween game - Page 8

forget it, let me just copy and paste it

no, I’ll do the try to townread as many people as within reason and then pick someone from the pile left over to vote exercise

it didn’t actually go anywhere since Mira hasn’t come online since their first post but if they flip wolf at any time during the game, I’ll consider the exercise a success

and then my reads before:

let me organize these and see if the POE will magically contain some wolves

town cloud: lily, matt, porscha, niphredil, Mischief, swede
kinda town cloud: volatile, creature, GQ, Sherlock, lucy

remaining: cobalt, Prince J, Sett, Vorros, Mira

prince J maybe wait and see
sett + vorros haven’t posted iirc

maybe kill mira

mira and cobalt were both wolves

I think I tried to do the same a little at the beginning but then I gave up b/c I didn’t have the time/energy for it and people kept on posting walls that would just go over my head and I didn’t want to read them either

[Lemonfairy]

@Zorvo

MY FUCKING GOD, everyone is so Townie except for Prisma, Arctic and Arete.

this has also kind of ended up being my POE

[Zorvo]

@Lemonfairy

@Zorvo

MY FUCKING GOD, everyone is so Townie except for Prisma, Arctic and Arete.

this has also kind of ended up being my POE

It also ended up being May’s as well.

Like it’s gotta be that I have been right since day 1 right?

[Lemonfairy]

@Arete

I’m not really sure what you want me to address?

it just felt kind of weird that you gave explanations to the other parts for which I was not expecting any explanations but you ignored that part

@Arete

like the big thing people have brought up is that I’ve hedged on her slot which like. yes. I am not confident in her slot’s alignment. I am sure that is super helpful

yeah, this is fine

[Lemonfairy]

@Arete

Zorvo Jarek Marl Prisma

molly Arctic May Lemon

how stupid is this

just to clarify, you think the top are town and the bottom are mafia?

[Lemonfairy]

ok, yeah
that is a wack reads list