Bland & Flavorless Mountainous 15er - Mafia Winnered

Marluxion · November 21, 2022, 8:10pm

WHELP I came home from work and immediately fell asleep
And need to go right back to sleep pretty much to be up in time to work tonight

Curse you virus

So I have to cast my final vote for today now

mollylikesorigami · November 21, 2022, 8:10pm

oh good timing hi may

i have no idea who you think is good or bad

i don’t know if you’ve even talked about me once this game?

mind fixing some of that

Marluxion · November 21, 2022, 8:12pm

Actually 8 pm eod might be makable since I took such a long nap
I’ll set a couple of alarms to try to be here

May · November 21, 2022, 8:12pm

That would be a great idea. I also have no idea who I think is good or bad. I have not talked about you at all, this is true, because I cannot seem to manufacture a single thought in your direction. Arguably a result of the fact that Icannot seem to manufacture a single thought.

Your earlier townread on me was something I was churning around in my head for quite a while and I can’t really… measure it. I don’t have enough understanding of the game to see where it comes from and why. Sucks.

Arctic · November 21, 2022, 8:13pm

lemon talking to/about may

Lemonfairy:

May:

Speaking of brief openers & responses to the Q&A, Lemon’s here. Hi, Lemon. You’ll be seeing this when you wake up. Are you going to townread me this time around or nah. After a near-identical opening to Eliza’s, I soft read those two as not W/W, though Lemon specifically noted needing to catch up, so maybe she just… didn’t read? I think a wolf would read, though, and lie about not reading. So I think the read still stands.

hi May

I’ve been awake for some time
you’ve placed great faith in me by assuming I will actually backread and see this post but I guess I have lived up to your expectations

idk if I’ll townread you or not
depends on how hard you obvtown

Eliza’s opening was the same as mine?
she’s probably town from the mindmeld

you’re right, I’d skim through everything as wolf and then pretend I still need to catch up
and then actually read everything again while responding
it’s 2x as much work
which is pain

actually, I do the same as town sometimes too
(don’t tell anyone)

(i know you said no commentary but all i’m going to say to this post is )

Lemonfairy:

I’ll start with May b/c they have the least number of posts

May:

Awesome. Random Question Stage time

first post is not a prepared post but answers to Arete’s RQS
probably NAI but slight scum if I had to lean it either way

May:

If I’m going to irrelevantpost here, I may as well put something actually game-related into it, so let’s do just that. VOTE: Eliza’s answers to the Random Question Stage were incredibly brief in a way that reads as an attempt to avoid putting too much readable content out there earlygame as a wolf. Sure, she tends to be a concise person in general, something I can only aspire toward, but combined with her opener, it just strikes me as odd.

this feels like one of May’s fake votes/RTs but it’s not as showy as usual

May:

There’s nothing in particular wrong with her opener, it’s just also very concise.

hmmm

May:

Successful.

yeah, looks like the RT was what they were doing

May:

When I played with him as wolf in Starcraft, he sure stuck around in thread, talked, and noted some reads down, but it didn’t feel like he was an active participant in the game trying to provoke anything, just an observer making… well, observations, and seeing if he could get any suspicions to stick on someone.

Because of that stark difference in playstyle, and the fact that doing incomprehensible shit for reactions is townie no matter who’s doing it, I soft townread him for now, though given I was suspecting him on and off all game specifically because I noticed this tell, it’s not anything definitive; I think that, upon randing wolf after Starcraft, Zorvo’d specifically avoid repeating the exact tells he got called out on in that game - people are learning, changing beings, and so a distinctive opposite of someone’s last wolfgame can also be a tell.

think I like this Zorvo read
quite nuanced

there isn’t really a conclusion but it’s early game and the extra meta info is nice
I think May would be capable of making posts like this as wolf too but I’ve never seen them wolf so I’ll store this thought away somewhere for now

May:

I think that, if there’s wolves in thread right now, at least one is probably trying to look like a bit of a tryhard. That probably means Zorvo, who I currently TR, Atlas, and Arete. For the sake of beautiful, wonderful, fleeting earlygame confidence, I will discount the possibility of Zorvo being a wolf. I wouldn’t go as far to call the latter two not W/W, it’s entirely possible IMO, but I think if they are, the third wolf probably hasn’t posted yet? Or is Phraze.

Out of the two, I think Arete is the more likely wolf, as their opening Q&A was free “content” without content and Arctic is engaging with my earlygame reads exactly how I want people to - giving proper reactions to them, pushing others to interact with them, that sort of thing. That’s an easy pocket, so Arctic’s town for now. I don’t know why the brain machine won’t give Arete the same credit for doing something quite similar, but it won’t, so that’s how things are.

actually kind of ok
I can see this from town
especially the way they don’t TR Arete despite acknowledging Arete did something similar to Arctic is something I’d read as town, esp. since I don’t have much confidence reading May tonally or from progression

idk how easy it’d be for May to fake this as wolf (probably very easy) but I’m ok calling the slot town (at least for now)

May:

You can’t just throw words at people as soon as they enter the thread and expect it to work.

Here’s a start: hi, @Prisma101, it’s earlygame and none of us know what the hell we’re talking about so we’re all padding everything with lots of paragraphs and hoping people don’t notice it’s all an act. Don’t worry about it. All of this will be forgotten soon enough.

And you can vote using the hammer button in the post formatting options or by using [v]USERNAME[/ v] tags (without the space).

this is fine
not too chummy or awkward

May:

I’ll do you one better, I’ve rolled town for every single longform mafia game I’ve played . That’s… god knows how many at this point, it’s been a while since I’ve counted, at least fifteen.

I need to see May post a paragraph about how much they fear randing wolf to be sure they’re town (for legal purposes, I am half-joking)

May:

I’ve learned I can’t rely on that last bit that much around here - I’ve been voted out as town twice now, and it has not helped my feelings of invincibility (though they’re still very much present).

fun fact: I’ve only ever been voted out as town during endgame
so I either just survive forever (usually the case) or I get NK’d (which is thankfully happening more often nowadays)

oh I also got vigged once when I first started playing lol

May:

Hey Neon, no chance you’re feeling a bit annoyed about randing wolf, and that’s coming across in how you communicate, right? That wouldn’t be the source? Just a thought. It’s not something that was notably present in your opening Starcraft posts, but maybe twice in a row makes it more frustrating… I’d certainly not be happy, that’s for sure.

I wonder who that would indicate partnership with; certainly a train of thought I’d be interested in pursuing if I find further evidence, if only because judging who in the thread is most annoying “for social deduction purposes” sounds hilarious (in theory, probably not in practice).

not sure what to make of this?
kind of a gentle nudge to Neon, I’d lean more town than scum

–
I think I’m going to end it here with May’s ISO b/c I don’t think I’d be able to gain anything more wrt to May’s even if I read more (I also won’t have time to do other ISOs)
I feel comfortable enough placing a TR here

Lemonfairy:

Arete:

aret aret

VOTE: Arogame123

votes town

Arete:

we can change that
VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

votes another town

Arete:

anyways no one talking is boring so I am forcibly turning RVS into RQS

What is the last game of forum mafia you played, and what did you learn from it?

What alignment were you hoping to rand this game, and why?

Which player in this playerlist are you best at reading?

ok RQS
same as Jarek’s point with May though - feels like it doesn’t help with solving in any way and it looks like busy work
I enjoyed answering the questions though

Arete:

this is an incredibly stupid read but I kind of think this might be townie

this is actually an ok read for SOD1

Arete:

there’s a difference between ‘wanting to change something about how you play’ and ‘saying in the game thread that you want to say that thing’

I believe that mafia!Arctic would decide not to doomerpost in mafia chat but I think it’s less?likely for him to reference that in public

seems fine

Arete:

in terms of accuracy I think it is ~rand, in my experience with Eliza she does not post very many words (in volume or post length) regardless of alignment

this is fair and close to my thoughts on Eliza

Arete:

I believe May believes that in the general case ‘not writing very many words in posts that could have more explanation’ is wolfy but that basically just means ‘town or making a read that she thinks is a read she would make as town’ which is not very helpful

this sentence hurts my brain

Arete:

if she has experience with town!Eliza it’s more likely to be wolfy, ‘Eliza doesn’t post a lot of words’ is pretty easy to notice

…which upon looking it looks like she does, Morbtainado and Starcraft at least (maybe more but I’m lazy) so she should know better on that

@May why did you think Eliza being concise was wolfy for her?

Arete implies May is wolfy here but doesn’t say May is wolfy outright or vote May

semi-serious take: the frequency at which Arete is posting is too high in this one post and could indicate nervousness/unease that Arete is trying to mask
could be w/w

Arete:

this is one of those reads that’s definitely going to get me yelled at on the grounds that it Sounds Fake but I sincerely and unironically believe this is >rand to be w/w

(=rand is like 3%, I mean ‘like 10%’ not ‘like 70%,’ but it’s a real read)

ok read
I kind of agreed with it too at the time but now we know they’re not w/w

Arete:

oh ok thanks for clearing that up

VOTE: Zorvo

the response is a joke but the previous reason Arete as confirmed is real
the vote is also real

some disconnect here since Arete kind of implied a scumread on May but didn’t vote there but they feel fine plopping a vote on Zorvo with a joking response
if Arete is wolf, this spews Zorvo town imo

Arete:

this is making me feel worse not better in case you were wondering

kind of agree here
I did find Zorvo’s reaction to the push to be a little too defensive (hence my vote D1)

Arete:

is there a reason you think it’s ‘bad’ and not ‘wolfy’?

I don’t like this
it feels like Arete is nitpicking to shift attention to something else

the way it’s phrased is very open and general, which I don’t think is how a town would phrase the question if Zorvo’s usage of the word “bad” pinged them as wolfy

another point is that it reads more as though Arete is trying to trip up Zorvo somehow through the question - it seems the intention behind it is less like Arete trying to gauge Zorvo’s alignment and more like Arete’s mind is already set on Zorvo being a wolf and they’re hoping Zorvo will trip up

I might be reading a bit too much into things here though
and ftr, I think this was wolfy

Arete:

look

I currently think you are being wolfy

I think that basically all of your posts (and particularly your reaction to light pressure) have been either NAI or bad

I weakly think that you made up your read on me after I implied you were TMIing me town although I am less confident in that

but I am not SO CONFIDENT in that that self-voting is a remotely useful or productive response. if you are town you can try doing things like ‘being townie’ or ‘not getting incredibly defensive at 0.0002 pascals of pressure’ and I will plausibly manage to find you

this is actually kind of ok
telling Zorvo to not self-vote is good
the advice is pretty… unhelpful, to put it nicely

content of the post suggests some frustration here from Arete on Zorvo
but it doesn’t feel like the frustration is genuine - previous posts show no indication of irritation

but then again, Arete might have been angered by Zorvo’s emoji

Arete:

VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

anyways I changed my mind I think Eliza is going full commentary-mode (like, more than she normally does)

this felt bad when I first saw it and it still feels bad now
I didn’t say anything about it then b/c it felt like a reasonable enough of a take even though I disagreed with it

it does kind of worry me that Arete can point out how Eliza posting short posts is NAI from knowing Eliza’s meta but thinks the commentary is wolfy
Eliza looked fine to me atp

Arete:

like we are at a sports game and most of us are running around trying to get the ball from one side of the field or the other side of the field, or at least doing a convincing approximation of that, but you don’t actually have an investment in getting the ball anywhere [in this analogy that corresponds to how wolves don’t need to solve the game] and so instead are making like, vague tangential remarks, rather than actually having any investment in figuring out what’s happening

analogies are nice ig
but it feels unnecessary

Arete:

I think that Eliza, rather than having intrinsic motivation to solve the game, is rather acting as a “commentator” who remarks on random things to fill space rather than because they really care about them/believe them/think they are relevant, and that this points to her being mafia who doesn’t need to solve the game [she does some of this as town but I think usually less?]

hrrng yeah
I don’t really like this post

Arete:

my reasoning for thinking this was that it was already an incredibly forced joke and I know you often go in for the idea of ‘I’m going to have over-the-top interactions with my partners to look unaligned,’ which made me think you could be doing that with Magnus

ngl the joke did felt forced
the w/w read was kinda reachy though

Arete:

this is word salad to the point that I am genuinely unsure what it means? my best guess is ‘there are more town than wolves so any individual you do that with is more likely, statistically, to be town than a wolf if you do it at random’ which is true but does not mean it can’t be >rand wolf for you to do it with someone [if the math here is confusing I can explain it more but I don’t think that’s super relevant]

I think you just made it more word-salady

Arete:

I mean I think that you were trying to discredit it I just … think you were doing it disingenuously

more clarification here is probably needed

Arete:

this statement is kind of wild because in fact I did do it in a joke like way and yet he’s trying to use it to shade me

see my previous comments about Arete’s reaction here

Arete:

the thing I was implying is that you were TMIing me town by implying I was being a bad villager rather than a wolf. I think that the actual post you wrote

ok this kind of makes more sense

Arete:

pretty clearly carries that implication

(I’m pretty sure that was sarcasm)

Arete:

(this logic also doesn’t follow but it’s the sort of not following that Seth unfortunately sometimes believes as town)

shifting to a townread here?

Arete:

wheee I’m here very briefly before I sleep

I still like this wheee for some reason

Arete:

…yes, me saying “my reasoning for thinking this [i.e., that you could be w/w with Magnus] was that it was already an incredibly forced joke and I know you often go in for the idea of ‘I’m going to have over-the-top interactions with my partners to look unaligned,’ which made me think you could be doing that with Magnus” was a read.

is this copy pasted?
I feel like I’ve read it already

think I’m just going to skip over the responses to Zorvo

Arete:

I think that your wolfread on me is ~plausibly a thing you believe but that you don’t believe Zorvo’s case is meaningful

and it’s weird that you’re acting like it’s a contributing factor to your read when it’s not

hmm this is ok

Arete:

@Prisma101
why did you change your mind?

I feel like this question is kind of… meaningless?
at least, it’s less meaningful than “why did you vote X?”

Arete:

I kinda think this is a real thought that molly really believes

hrnng this feels a little fake

Arete:

I don’t want to rain on this parade here since they still have a good chance of being town from pure stats but I don’t really think this is townie, this is the sort of thing people read newbies as ‘pure’ for when they’re just honestly confused regardless of alignment. newbie wolves don’t ask literally all of their new questions in wolfchat and Prisma is definitely new regardless of alignment

kind of agree here

Arete:

here are my current reads

not sure I like this list

–
this is getting long so I’m going to end it here and go to sleep
my final conclusion is: I’m cool with leaving my vote on Arete for now (the for now is just b/c idk what will happen in the future)

(???)

Lemonfairy:

May:

When I played with him as wolf in Starcraft, he sure stuck around in thread, talked, and noted some reads down, but it didn’t feel like he was an active participant in the game trying to provoke anything, just an observer making… well, observations, and seeing if he could get any suspicions to stick on someone.

Because of that stark difference in playstyle, and the fact that doing incomprehensible shit for reactions is townie no matter who’s doing it, I soft townread him for now, though given I was suspecting him on and off all game specifically because I noticed this tell, it’s not anything definitive; I think that, upon randing wolf after Starcraft, Zorvo’d specifically avoid repeating the exact tells he got called out on in that game - people are learning, changing beings, and so a distinctive opposite of someone’s last wolfgame can also be a tell.

still think this is fine
it’s a bit hedgy but that’s understandable for early game
the level of detail wrt Zorvo’s meta looks pretty good - this + the hedgy-ness makes me think Zorvo/May is likely not w/w

May:

This post from Magnus is very funny, and also >rand wolf.

hmmm

May:

I think that, if there’s wolves in thread right now, at least one is probably trying to look like a bit of a tryhard. That probably means Zorvo, who I currently TR, Atlas, and Arete. For the sake of beautiful, wonderful, fleeting earlygame confidence, I will discount the possibility of Zorvo being a wolf. I wouldn’t go as far to call the latter two not W/W, it’s entirely possible IMO, but I think if they are, the third wolf probably hasn’t posted yet? Or is Phraze.

this idk, looks fine?

May:

Out of the two, I think Arete is the more likely wolf, as their opening Q&A was free “content” without content and Arctic is engaging with my earlygame reads exactly how I want people to - giving proper reactions to them, pushing others to interact with them, that sort of thing. That’s an easy pocket, so Arctic’s town for now. I don’t know why the brain machine won’t give Arete the same credit for doing something quite similar, but it won’t, so that’s how things are.

this looks like what town!May would gather from Arctic’s reaction to their RT
also kind of doesn’t feel w/w with Arete

May:

Zorvo
Arctic
Otter & Phraze
Eliza & Lemon
Magnus
Arete

no spacing between townreads and scumreads so I can’t tell where one ends and the other begins

May:

I won’t couch this in too many words: I agree with Zorvo, Arete’s pinging a bit wolfy to me, VOTE: Arete

this is ok
and doesn’t look w/w

May/Arete looks like it could be w/w from Arete’s treatment of May - which they still have not really addressed @Arete

May:

You can’t just throw words at people as soon as they enter the thread and expect it to work.

Here’s a start: hi, @Prisma101, it’s earlygame and none of us know what the hell we’re talking about so we’re all padding everything with lots of paragraphs and hoping people don’t notice it’s all an act. Don’t worry about it. All of this will be forgotten soon enough.

And you can vote using the hammer button in the post formatting options or by using [v]USERNAME[/ v] tags (without the space).

this is fine
can’t say if it’s w/w or not

May:

Hey Neon, no chance you’re feeling a bit annoyed about randing wolf, and that’s coming across in how you communicate, right? That wouldn’t be the source? Just a thought. It’s not something that was notably present in your opening Starcraft posts, but maybe twice in a row makes it more frustrating… I’d certainly not be happy, that’s for sure.

I wonder who that would indicate partnership with; certainly a train of thought I’d be interested in pursuing if I find further evidence, if only because judging who in the thread is most annoying “for social deduction purposes” sounds hilarious (in theory, probably not in practice).

hedgy Neon wolfread(?) but there is no real push behind it
does feel kinda T overall

May:

Listen, I get feeling overestimated by Zorvo, given I’m on this list and I’ve never been a wolf in my life , but I’m sure you can see how this comes across as a bit frustrated.

this feels quite level-headed in tone
again, no real push or agenda behind it

May:

For the record, I’ve seen town Seth in a few recent games, and he is very often right . I don’t understand people who say he’s completely incomprehensible or has no underlying logic - I usually find him predictable and easy to follow.

My agreeing with him in this case is a combination of a few factors -

As I mentioned earlier, Arete is doing exact the same thing as you are, but I’m not getting town pings from them. I couldn’t tell you why.

Zorvo, someone I find towny, is already voting them, and I generally think his instincts have more merit than people give them credit for.

Encouraging wagons and opinions and 1v1s is very good for the gamestate, and Zorvo specifically tends to have strong opinions that yield a lot of material to analyze.

Arete’s response to Zorvo seems primarily concerned with defending themselves, in a way that’s like… they see it as an argument to win, and the winstate is everyone else wolfreading Zorvo. It’s the sort of thing Molly was doing to me on early days in GOAT^2, and I missed that tell.

honestly, this is also fine and doubles down on not being w/w with Arete
maybe I was too focused on one interaction with that association read

May:

Blah blah blah you all say so many words it’s like an echo chamber in here. I’m having to look back at my own self and the things I do and now I suddenly see why people say such things about me.

Zorvo isn’t a wolf BTW. Not a wolf

If May is town, I will be sheeping this read.

May:

Plus, like, there’s plenty of content revolving specifically around me right now, and I find I don’t like to poke on that stuff; I want to let it happen, and people talk about you differently when you’re around thread. I don’t want people to stop questioning the origins of my reads, because how they go about that is informative, so of course I’ll avoid clarifying.

I really like this kind of sentiment
got me pocketed a little

May:

In a consequence-free situation there is zero motivation for scum to do anything . It is only the threat of being voted or the reward of potential misvotes that drives evils to do all but the most basic of tells.

This is mountainous. Executions and voting are the game. Any day phases during which we do not at least pretend to play the game are as meaningless as signup thread chatter. If you want to no-exe, fine, but the ideal way to do that is to at least pretend you’re going to vote someone off to initially pressure them, and only swing to no-execution toward the end of the day.

think this is pro-town an in line with May’s overall mafia philosophy of lying to generate content

May:

WOOO let’s hear it for LYING!!! Shoutout to lying <3

May:

I think Prisma’s a better execution than Hail was because they’ve had more interaction with the game - more people have expressed opinions on them, they’ve potentially spewed a few people town, et cetera. Hail was a last-minute flashwagon, IIRC, which meant we didn’t have the continuous interaction with how the votes on them sat, rose, and fell.

think this is not w/w with Prisma

May:

Hey Magnus this is like the third time you’ve loudly leveraged a previous game not to explain your behavior but just to remind people of the times they’ve misvoted you. You good? VOTE: Magnus

@May idk can you talk to me more about why you voted Magnus?
b/c you were able to find them as town in GOAT^2 while I wasn’t but here I found them as prob town but you found them scummy and voted them

like here:

May:

I don’t know if Magnus will keep pinging scum when I actually think about these things and discuss them with myself, but they sure are now.

May:

Top town right now is probably Zorvo, he had very distinctive tells last game and he’s not doing any of them right now. It’s not a set-in-stone read, as people learn and change and grow, and I have some specific tests planned to double-check myself on this one that I won’t get too far into.

Top scum with no deep thought… you can find that by taking a look at my vote. Magnus is pinging weird. Prisma was also pinging weird.

…where did the Arete scumread go?

May:

You did assume Magnus was serious, or at least it reads that way, despite the fact that they had clearly labeled the statement saying they were a wolf as a joke, which I read as odd.

this kinda indicates Prisma and Magnus are not w/w

May:

For the record, I actually find Magnus’s repeated jokes about being a wolf a little bit over the top - I don’t think they normally do it to this level - and that’s another little brick in the wall of my wolf ping on Magnus.

this is fair ig

May:

Magnus actually did send me off on a bit of a tangent there, because yeah, Jarek is acting different; much more passive, not making reads - they were confident they’d found two wolves in the first hour of Starcraft, something which I say as a neutral statement, not a criticism; confidence in reads, even wrong ones, is often very beneficial - and those benefits are something this stagnant game needs, so I’m going to take the gamestate, put it in a bag, and slam it against the ground, something I miss being able to physically do to things in real life, but can nonetheless continue to speak of in metaphors for the votes I’m about to place.

^ All one sentence. I’m going to try to make the possible naturally flowing sentence this game, and if the mafia kill me before I can get one I’m satisfied with, I will cry.

VOTE: Jarek

I think May’s voting and throwing out takes has been frequent and contain enough fluidity to make me feel they’re just town

May:

You’ve already passed the reaction test Jarek congratulations VOTE: Magnus

I don’t really see it?

May:

Okay that was impulsive and bad and I shouldn’t have done that. I just saw Jarek say something funny and took my vote off them. That’s irresponsible even if I was owned. Everybody pretend that never happened VOTE: Jarek

okok
yeah, this is fine lol

(???)

will make a separate post for the other way around but looking at this has felt like my eyes have been opened lmfao

mollylikesorigami · November 21, 2022, 8:13pm

i have no recollection of townreading you lol

Arete · November 21, 2022, 8:14pm

no no I’m extremely excited to misexecute into a two-day shouting match with Zorvo, if he doesn’t just snap me

this just feels like metaphorically playing with your food

my internal alarm system is screaming about this post and I’m not sure why (that’s a lie I do know why it’s because it feels like clumsy distancing. I just also think that that’s a Bad Read TM)

May · November 21, 2022, 8:14pm

Was it you or was it Lemon? You occupy the same space in my brain. It was one of you who’s as saying my behavior was reasonable because I am sick and you didn’t suspect me and didn’t like arguments placed in my direction, which is not a townread, but it is a nullification of a scumread, which has the same effect on a game.

Arete · November 21, 2022, 8:14pm

do you want cat pictures or a poem

mollylikesorigami · November 21, 2022, 8:16pm

ah, yes that was me lol

May · November 21, 2022, 8:16pm

What if everyone town reading me this game is evil evil scum evil <— New theory my brain has come up with.

May · November 21, 2022, 8:16pm

By new, I mean “oldest theory I have”.

Arete · November 21, 2022, 8:18pm

Arctic:

lemon talking to/about may

Lemonfairy:

to add on
I’ve townread Eliza correctly 2 times(?) but I’ve never seen them wolf

and I’m probably very bad at reading idk a bunch of people
Magnus, May, Zorvo, uhhh maybe Neon too

Lemonfairy:

May talking to their alt was funny

Lemonfairy:

May:

Speaking of brief openers & responses to the Q&A, Lemon’s here. Hi, Lemon. You’ll be seeing this when you wake up. Are you going to townread me this time around or nah. After a near-identical opening to Eliza’s, I soft read those two as not W/W, though Lemon specifically noted needing to catch up, so maybe she just… didn’t read? I think a wolf would read, though, and lie about not reading. So I think the read still stands.

hi May

I’ve been awake for some time
you’ve placed great faith in me by assuming I will actually backread and see this post but I guess I have lived up to your expectations

idk if I’ll townread you or not
depends on how hard you obvtown

Eliza’s opening was the same as mine?
she’s probably town from the mindmeld

you’re right, I’d skim through everything as wolf and then pretend I still need to catch up
and then actually read everything again while responding
it’s 2x as much work
which is pain

actually, I do the same as town sometimes too
(don’t tell anyone)

(i know you said no commentary but all i’m going to say to this post is )

Lemonfairy:

May:

town, village, V, cool epic faction that always wins

we win in our own way

Lemonfairy:

that was a lighting fast response

uhhhh no, I don’t have any more questions

wait, what’s your read on May/Zorvo now?
or anyone else idk

Lemonfairy:

Magnus:

I’ve made a habit of voting on cases I don’t believe

feel like May is a bad influence lol

Lemonfairy:

I’ll start with May b/c they have the least number of posts

May:

Awesome. Random Question Stage time

first post is not a prepared post but answers to Arete’s RQS
probably NAI but slight scum if I had to lean it either way

May:

If I’m going to irrelevantpost here, I may as well put something actually game-related into it, so let’s do just that. VOTE: Eliza’s answers to the Random Question Stage were incredibly brief in a way that reads as an attempt to avoid putting too much readable content out there earlygame as a wolf. Sure, she tends to be a concise person in general, something I can only aspire toward, but combined with her opener, it just strikes me as odd.

this feels like one of May’s fake votes/RTs but it’s not as showy as usual

May:

There’s nothing in particular wrong with her opener, it’s just also very concise.

hmmm

May:

Successful.

yeah, looks like the RT was what they were doing

May:

When I played with him as wolf in Starcraft, he sure stuck around in thread, talked, and noted some reads down, but it didn’t feel like he was an active participant in the game trying to provoke anything, just an observer making… well, observations, and seeing if he could get any suspicions to stick on someone.

Because of that stark difference in playstyle, and the fact that doing incomprehensible shit for reactions is townie no matter who’s doing it, I soft townread him for now, though given I was suspecting him on and off all game specifically because I noticed this tell, it’s not anything definitive; I think that, upon randing wolf after Starcraft, Zorvo’d specifically avoid repeating the exact tells he got called out on in that game - people are learning, changing beings, and so a distinctive opposite of someone’s last wolfgame can also be a tell.

think I like this Zorvo read
quite nuanced

there isn’t really a conclusion but it’s early game and the extra meta info is nice
I think May would be capable of making posts like this as wolf too but I’ve never seen them wolf so I’ll store this thought away somewhere for now

May:

I think that, if there’s wolves in thread right now, at least one is probably trying to look like a bit of a tryhard. That probably means Zorvo, who I currently TR, Atlas, and Arete. For the sake of beautiful, wonderful, fleeting earlygame confidence, I will discount the possibility of Zorvo being a wolf. I wouldn’t go as far to call the latter two not W/W, it’s entirely possible IMO, but I think if they are, the third wolf probably hasn’t posted yet? Or is Phraze.

Out of the two, I think Arete is the more likely wolf, as their opening Q&A was free “content” without content and Arctic is engaging with my earlygame reads exactly how I want people to - giving proper reactions to them, pushing others to interact with them, that sort of thing. That’s an easy pocket, so Arctic’s town for now. I don’t know why the brain machine won’t give Arete the same credit for doing something quite similar, but it won’t, so that’s how things are.

actually kind of ok
I can see this from town
especially the way they don’t TR Arete despite acknowledging Arete did something similar to Arctic is something I’d read as town, esp. since I don’t have much confidence reading May tonally or from progression

idk how easy it’d be for May to fake this as wolf (probably very easy) but I’m ok calling the slot town (at least for now)

May:

You can’t just throw words at people as soon as they enter the thread and expect it to work.

Here’s a start: hi, @Prisma101, it’s earlygame and none of us know what the hell we’re talking about so we’re all padding everything with lots of paragraphs and hoping people don’t notice it’s all an act. Don’t worry about it. All of this will be forgotten soon enough.

And you can vote using the hammer button in the post formatting options or by using [v]USERNAME[/ v] tags (without the space).

this is fine
not too chummy or awkward

May:

I’ll do you one better, I’ve rolled town for every single longform mafia game I’ve played . That’s… god knows how many at this point, it’s been a while since I’ve counted, at least fifteen.

I need to see May post a paragraph about how much they fear randing wolf to be sure they’re town (for legal purposes, I am half-joking)

May:

I’ve learned I can’t rely on that last bit that much around here - I’ve been voted out as town twice now, and it has not helped my feelings of invincibility (though they’re still very much present).

fun fact: I’ve only ever been voted out as town during endgame
so I either just survive forever (usually the case) or I get NK’d (which is thankfully happening more often nowadays)

oh I also got vigged once when I first started playing lol

May:

Hey Neon, no chance you’re feeling a bit annoyed about randing wolf, and that’s coming across in how you communicate, right? That wouldn’t be the source? Just a thought. It’s not something that was notably present in your opening Starcraft posts, but maybe twice in a row makes it more frustrating… I’d certainly not be happy, that’s for sure.

I wonder who that would indicate partnership with; certainly a train of thought I’d be interested in pursuing if I find further evidence, if only because judging who in the thread is most annoying “for social deduction purposes” sounds hilarious (in theory, probably not in practice).

not sure what to make of this?
kind of a gentle nudge to Neon, I’d lean more town than scum

–
I think I’m going to end it here with May’s ISO b/c I don’t think I’d be able to gain anything more wrt to May’s even if I read more (I also won’t have time to do other ISOs)
I feel comfortable enough placing a TR here

Lemonfairy:

May:

Here’s what I have for now as not to be overwhelming - I’ll likely do some follow-ups off this.

Who does everyone think is most likely to be nightkilled tonight?

Which of the current players with wagons would you most want executed by the EoD?

Which of the current players without wagons would you most want executed by EoD?

Are you sus? Why or why not?

Arete/Arctic if they’re town, maybe Aro b/c I feel like their posts have gotten considerably more… what’s the word…stronk?

Prisma lol

Aleph? and/or one of Arete/Arctic/Aro - I have no idea and I really need to look into them more but I’m stuck doing ISOs on people with wagons + Arete

I’m not sus, I’m lemon

Lemonfairy:

May:

Have fun in the iso mines.

thanks
I probably won’t

May:

You heard it here first, Lemon is not sus, she’s Lemon.

yes

Lemonfairy:

otterpopd:

thx. to be serious for a moment: may usually slides by in a lot of discord games by inflating their word count to appear town. I think that that’s happening here, but admittedly idk their forum playstyle that well because again this is my first game

I guess this is fine?
idk how much May posts in discord games but I also don’t think May is posting a lot here
I kind of expect discord games to be more spammy?

Lemonfairy:

Arete:

aret aret

VOTE: Arogame123

votes town

Arete:

we can change that
VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

votes another town

Arete:

anyways no one talking is boring so I am forcibly turning RVS into RQS

What is the last game of forum mafia you played, and what did you learn from it?

What alignment were you hoping to rand this game, and why?

Which player in this playerlist are you best at reading?

ok RQS
same as Jarek’s point with May though - feels like it doesn’t help with solving in any way and it looks like busy work
I enjoyed answering the questions though

Arete:

this is an incredibly stupid read but I kind of think this might be townie

this is actually an ok read for SOD1

Arete:

there’s a difference between ‘wanting to change something about how you play’ and ‘saying in the game thread that you want to say that thing’

I believe that mafia!Arctic would decide not to doomerpost in mafia chat but I think it’s less?likely for him to reference that in public

seems fine

Arete:

in terms of accuracy I think it is ~rand, in my experience with Eliza she does not post very many words (in volume or post length) regardless of alignment

this is fair and close to my thoughts on Eliza

Arete:

I believe May believes that in the general case ‘not writing very many words in posts that could have more explanation’ is wolfy but that basically just means ‘town or making a read that she thinks is a read she would make as town’ which is not very helpful

this sentence hurts my brain

Arete:

if she has experience with town!Eliza it’s more likely to be wolfy, ‘Eliza doesn’t post a lot of words’ is pretty easy to notice

…which upon looking it looks like she does, Morbtainado and Starcraft at least (maybe more but I’m lazy) so she should know better on that

@May why did you think Eliza being concise was wolfy for her?

Arete implies May is wolfy here but doesn’t say May is wolfy outright or vote May

semi-serious take: the frequency at which Arete is posting is too high in this one post and could indicate nervousness/unease that Arete is trying to mask
could be w/w

Arete:

this is one of those reads that’s definitely going to get me yelled at on the grounds that it Sounds Fake but I sincerely and unironically believe this is >rand to be w/w

(=rand is like 3%, I mean ‘like 10%’ not ‘like 70%,’ but it’s a real read)

ok read
I kind of agreed with it too at the time but now we know they’re not w/w

Arete:

oh ok thanks for clearing that up

VOTE: Zorvo

the response is a joke but the previous reason Arete as confirmed is real
the vote is also real

some disconnect here since Arete kind of implied a scumread on May but didn’t vote there but they feel fine plopping a vote on Zorvo with a joking response
if Arete is wolf, this spews Zorvo town imo

Arete:

this is making me feel worse not better in case you were wondering

kind of agree here
I did find Zorvo’s reaction to the push to be a little too defensive (hence my vote D1)

Arete:

is there a reason you think it’s ‘bad’ and not ‘wolfy’?

I don’t like this
it feels like Arete is nitpicking to shift attention to something else

the way it’s phrased is very open and general, which I don’t think is how a town would phrase the question if Zorvo’s usage of the word “bad” pinged them as wolfy

another point is that it reads more as though Arete is trying to trip up Zorvo somehow through the question - it seems the intention behind it is less like Arete trying to gauge Zorvo’s alignment and more like Arete’s mind is already set on Zorvo being a wolf and they’re hoping Zorvo will trip up

I might be reading a bit too much into things here though
and ftr, I think this was wolfy

Arete:

look

I currently think you are being wolfy

I think that basically all of your posts (and particularly your reaction to light pressure) have been either NAI or bad

I weakly think that you made up your read on me after I implied you were TMIing me town although I am less confident in that

but I am not SO CONFIDENT in that that self-voting is a remotely useful or productive response. if you are town you can try doing things like ‘being townie’ or ‘not getting incredibly defensive at 0.0002 pascals of pressure’ and I will plausibly manage to find you

this is actually kind of ok
telling Zorvo to not self-vote is good
the advice is pretty… unhelpful, to put it nicely

content of the post suggests some frustration here from Arete on Zorvo
but it doesn’t feel like the frustration is genuine - previous posts show no indication of irritation

but then again, Arete might have been angered by Zorvo’s emoji

Arete:

VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

anyways I changed my mind I think Eliza is going full commentary-mode (like, more than she normally does)

this felt bad when I first saw it and it still feels bad now
I didn’t say anything about it then b/c it felt like a reasonable enough of a take even though I disagreed with it

it does kind of worry me that Arete can point out how Eliza posting short posts is NAI from knowing Eliza’s meta but thinks the commentary is wolfy
Eliza looked fine to me atp

Arete:

like we are at a sports game and most of us are running around trying to get the ball from one side of the field or the other side of the field, or at least doing a convincing approximation of that, but you don’t actually have an investment in getting the ball anywhere [in this analogy that corresponds to how wolves don’t need to solve the game] and so instead are making like, vague tangential remarks, rather than actually having any investment in figuring out what’s happening

analogies are nice ig
but it feels unnecessary

Arete:

I think that Eliza, rather than having intrinsic motivation to solve the game, is rather acting as a “commentator” who remarks on random things to fill space rather than because they really care about them/believe them/think they are relevant, and that this points to her being mafia who doesn’t need to solve the game [she does some of this as town but I think usually less?]

hrrng yeah
I don’t really like this post

Arete:

my reasoning for thinking this was that it was already an incredibly forced joke and I know you often go in for the idea of ‘I’m going to have over-the-top interactions with my partners to look unaligned,’ which made me think you could be doing that with Magnus

ngl the joke did felt forced
the w/w read was kinda reachy though

Arete:

this is word salad to the point that I am genuinely unsure what it means? my best guess is ‘there are more town than wolves so any individual you do that with is more likely, statistically, to be town than a wolf if you do it at random’ which is true but does not mean it can’t be >rand wolf for you to do it with someone [if the math here is confusing I can explain it more but I don’t think that’s super relevant]

I think you just made it more word-salady

Arete:

I mean I think that you were trying to discredit it I just … think you were doing it disingenuously

more clarification here is probably needed

Arete:

this statement is kind of wild because in fact I did do it in a joke like way and yet he’s trying to use it to shade me

see my previous comments about Arete’s reaction here

Arete:

the thing I was implying is that you were TMIing me town by implying I was being a bad villager rather than a wolf. I think that the actual post you wrote

ok this kind of makes more sense

Arete:

pretty clearly carries that implication

(I’m pretty sure that was sarcasm)

Arete:

(this logic also doesn’t follow but it’s the sort of not following that Seth unfortunately sometimes believes as town)

shifting to a townread here?

Arete:

wheee I’m here very briefly before I sleep

I still like this wheee for some reason

Arete:

…yes, me saying “my reasoning for thinking this [i.e., that you could be w/w with Magnus] was that it was already an incredibly forced joke and I know you often go in for the idea of ‘I’m going to have over-the-top interactions with my partners to look unaligned,’ which made me think you could be doing that with Magnus” was a read.

is this copy pasted?
I feel like I’ve read it already

think I’m just going to skip over the responses to Zorvo

Arete:

I think that your wolfread on me is ~plausibly a thing you believe but that you don’t believe Zorvo’s case is meaningful

and it’s weird that you’re acting like it’s a contributing factor to your read when it’s not

hmm this is ok

Arete:

@Prisma101
why did you change your mind?

I feel like this question is kind of… meaningless?
at least, it’s less meaningful than “why did you vote X?”

Arete:

I kinda think this is a real thought that molly really believes

hrnng this feels a little fake

Arete:

I don’t want to rain on this parade here since they still have a good chance of being town from pure stats but I don’t really think this is townie, this is the sort of thing people read newbies as ‘pure’ for when they’re just honestly confused regardless of alignment. newbie wolves don’t ask literally all of their new questions in wolfchat and Prisma is definitely new regardless of alignment

kind of agree here

Arete:

here are my current reads

not sure I like this list

–
this is getting long so I’m going to end it here and go to sleep
my final conclusion is: I’m cool with leaving my vote on Arete for now (the for now is just b/c idk what will happen in the future)

Lemonfairy:

also, I just remembered that Prisma exists
and that there are 3 wolves

Arete/May/Prisma wolfteam?

(???)

Lemonfairy:

May:

Gamestate sucks. VOTE: Lemon Remind me tomorrow to explain vote

reminder to explain @May

or face my ultimate move
the OMGUS

Lemonfairy:

let me try to organize my reads

Zorvo
molly
Vul

Marl
Jarek
Arctic

Arete

otter
May
Prisma

how does this look?

Lemonfairy:

I’m fine with Prisma or May

Lemonfairy:

I’m like 90% sure molly is just town

that’s a pretty big POE
so you think May, Arete, and Zorvo are for sure towns?

talk to me more about May

Lemonfairy:

May:

When I played with him as wolf in Starcraft, he sure stuck around in thread, talked, and noted some reads down, but it didn’t feel like he was an active participant in the game trying to provoke anything, just an observer making… well, observations, and seeing if he could get any suspicions to stick on someone.

Because of that stark difference in playstyle, and the fact that doing incomprehensible shit for reactions is townie no matter who’s doing it, I soft townread him for now, though given I was suspecting him on and off all game specifically because I noticed this tell, it’s not anything definitive; I think that, upon randing wolf after Starcraft, Zorvo’d specifically avoid repeating the exact tells he got called out on in that game - people are learning, changing beings, and so a distinctive opposite of someone’s last wolfgame can also be a tell.

still think this is fine
it’s a bit hedgy but that’s understandable for early game
the level of detail wrt Zorvo’s meta looks pretty good - this + the hedgy-ness makes me think Zorvo/May is likely not w/w

May:

This post from Magnus is very funny, and also >rand wolf.

hmmm

May:

I think that, if there’s wolves in thread right now, at least one is probably trying to look like a bit of a tryhard. That probably means Zorvo, who I currently TR, Atlas, and Arete. For the sake of beautiful, wonderful, fleeting earlygame confidence, I will discount the possibility of Zorvo being a wolf. I wouldn’t go as far to call the latter two not W/W, it’s entirely possible IMO, but I think if they are, the third wolf probably hasn’t posted yet? Or is Phraze.

this idk, looks fine?

May:

Out of the two, I think Arete is the more likely wolf, as their opening Q&A was free “content” without content and Arctic is engaging with my earlygame reads exactly how I want people to - giving proper reactions to them, pushing others to interact with them, that sort of thing. That’s an easy pocket, so Arctic’s town for now. I don’t know why the brain machine won’t give Arete the same credit for doing something quite similar, but it won’t, so that’s how things are.

this looks like what town!May would gather from Arctic’s reaction to their RT
also kind of doesn’t feel w/w with Arete

May:

Zorvo
Arctic
Otter & Phraze
Eliza & Lemon
Magnus
Arete

no spacing between townreads and scumreads so I can’t tell where one ends and the other begins

May:

I won’t couch this in too many words: I agree with Zorvo, Arete’s pinging a bit wolfy to me, VOTE: Arete

this is ok
and doesn’t look w/w

May/Arete looks like it could be w/w from Arete’s treatment of May - which they still have not really addressed @Arete

May:

You can’t just throw words at people as soon as they enter the thread and expect it to work.

Here’s a start: hi, @Prisma101, it’s earlygame and none of us know what the hell we’re talking about so we’re all padding everything with lots of paragraphs and hoping people don’t notice it’s all an act. Don’t worry about it. All of this will be forgotten soon enough.

And you can vote using the hammer button in the post formatting options or by using [v]USERNAME[/ v] tags (without the space).

this is fine
can’t say if it’s w/w or not

May:

Hey Neon, no chance you’re feeling a bit annoyed about randing wolf, and that’s coming across in how you communicate, right? That wouldn’t be the source? Just a thought. It’s not something that was notably present in your opening Starcraft posts, but maybe twice in a row makes it more frustrating… I’d certainly not be happy, that’s for sure.

I wonder who that would indicate partnership with; certainly a train of thought I’d be interested in pursuing if I find further evidence, if only because judging who in the thread is most annoying “for social deduction purposes” sounds hilarious (in theory, probably not in practice).

hedgy Neon wolfread(?) but there is no real push behind it
does feel kinda T overall

May:

Listen, I get feeling overestimated by Zorvo, given I’m on this list and I’ve never been a wolf in my life , but I’m sure you can see how this comes across as a bit frustrated.

this feels quite level-headed in tone
again, no real push or agenda behind it

May:

For the record, I’ve seen town Seth in a few recent games, and he is very often right . I don’t understand people who say he’s completely incomprehensible or has no underlying logic - I usually find him predictable and easy to follow.

My agreeing with him in this case is a combination of a few factors -

As I mentioned earlier, Arete is doing exact the same thing as you are, but I’m not getting town pings from them. I couldn’t tell you why.

Zorvo, someone I find towny, is already voting them, and I generally think his instincts have more merit than people give them credit for.

Encouraging wagons and opinions and 1v1s is very good for the gamestate, and Zorvo specifically tends to have strong opinions that yield a lot of material to analyze.

Arete’s response to Zorvo seems primarily concerned with defending themselves, in a way that’s like… they see it as an argument to win, and the winstate is everyone else wolfreading Zorvo. It’s the sort of thing Molly was doing to me on early days in GOAT^2, and I missed that tell.

honestly, this is also fine and doubles down on not being w/w with Arete
maybe I was too focused on one interaction with that association read

May:

Blah blah blah you all say so many words it’s like an echo chamber in here. I’m having to look back at my own self and the things I do and now I suddenly see why people say such things about me.

Zorvo isn’t a wolf BTW. Not a wolf

If May is town, I will be sheeping this read.

May:

Plus, like, there’s plenty of content revolving specifically around me right now, and I find I don’t like to poke on that stuff; I want to let it happen, and people talk about you differently when you’re around thread. I don’t want people to stop questioning the origins of my reads, because how they go about that is informative, so of course I’ll avoid clarifying.

I really like this kind of sentiment
got me pocketed a little

May:

In a consequence-free situation there is zero motivation for scum to do anything . It is only the threat of being voted or the reward of potential misvotes that drives evils to do all but the most basic of tells.

This is mountainous. Executions and voting are the game. Any day phases during which we do not at least pretend to play the game are as meaningless as signup thread chatter. If you want to no-exe, fine, but the ideal way to do that is to at least pretend you’re going to vote someone off to initially pressure them, and only swing to no-execution toward the end of the day.

think this is pro-town an in line with May’s overall mafia philosophy of lying to generate content

May:

WOOO let’s hear it for LYING!!! Shoutout to lying <3

May:

I think Prisma’s a better execution than Hail was because they’ve had more interaction with the game - more people have expressed opinions on them, they’ve potentially spewed a few people town, et cetera. Hail was a last-minute flashwagon, IIRC, which meant we didn’t have the continuous interaction with how the votes on them sat, rose, and fell.

think this is not w/w with Prisma

May:

Hey Magnus this is like the third time you’ve loudly leveraged a previous game not to explain your behavior but just to remind people of the times they’ve misvoted you. You good? VOTE: Magnus

@May idk can you talk to me more about why you voted Magnus?
b/c you were able to find them as town in GOAT^2 while I wasn’t but here I found them as prob town but you found them scummy and voted them

like here:

May:

I don’t know if Magnus will keep pinging scum when I actually think about these things and discuss them with myself, but they sure are now.

May:

Top town right now is probably Zorvo, he had very distinctive tells last game and he’s not doing any of them right now. It’s not a set-in-stone read, as people learn and change and grow, and I have some specific tests planned to double-check myself on this one that I won’t get too far into.

Top scum with no deep thought… you can find that by taking a look at my vote. Magnus is pinging weird. Prisma was also pinging weird.

…where did the Arete scumread go?

May:

You did assume Magnus was serious, or at least it reads that way, despite the fact that they had clearly labeled the statement saying they were a wolf as a joke, which I read as odd.

this kinda indicates Prisma and Magnus are not w/w

May:

For the record, I actually find Magnus’s repeated jokes about being a wolf a little bit over the top - I don’t think they normally do it to this level - and that’s another little brick in the wall of my wolf ping on Magnus.

this is fair ig

May:

Magnus actually did send me off on a bit of a tangent there, because yeah, Jarek is acting different; much more passive, not making reads - they were confident they’d found two wolves in the first hour of Starcraft, something which I say as a neutral statement, not a criticism; confidence in reads, even wrong ones, is often very beneficial - and those benefits are something this stagnant game needs, so I’m going to take the gamestate, put it in a bag, and slam it against the ground, something I miss being able to physically do to things in real life, but can nonetheless continue to speak of in metaphors for the votes I’m about to place.

^ All one sentence. I’m going to try to make the possible naturally flowing sentence this game, and if the mafia kill me before I can get one I’m satisfied with, I will cry.

VOTE: Jarek

I think May’s voting and throwing out takes has been frequent and contain enough fluidity to make me feel they’re just town

May:

You’ve already passed the reaction test Jarek congratulations VOTE: Magnus

I don’t really see it?

May:

Okay that was impulsive and bad and I shouldn’t have done that. I just saw Jarek say something funny and took my vote off them. That’s irresponsible even if I was owned. Everybody pretend that never happened VOTE: Jarek

okok
yeah, this is fine lol

Lemonfairy:

TL;DR: May is probably villaging
not as confident as my molly TR but I feel alright about it

Lemonfairy:

hmmm I’m voting with May on Arete too

@Zorvo @Arctic @Marluxion do you townread Arete?
If yes, how confident are you on the townread and if someone could towncase them, I’d appreciate it.

maybe ping @Jarek too b/c their only TR is Arete

(???)

will make a separate post for the other way around but looking at this has felt like my eyes have been opened lmfao

man

this is probably a stupid thing to fixate on but wtf is the first May iso lol

they basically just have a bunch of either negative or hedgy-positive points and then end with “I feel comfortable enough placing a TR here”

Marluxion · November 21, 2022, 8:18pm

I have legitimately no time to catch up if I want to be here for EoD and I want to vote in case I miss it

What did I miss in the last few hours, anything? Is arete still sudokuing for no reason?

May · November 21, 2022, 8:19pm

Molly and Lemon have treated my slot in much the same way and I know not how I feel about it. I know not how I feel about this entire game. I am soooo asleep tired 10000 forever

Arete · November 21, 2022, 8:21pm

me and Arctic got into a stupid fight

right now me and Arctic and Jarek are discussing (a) May (b) the possibility of a May/Lemonfairy team

Arctic posted a big list of posts from Lemon to/about May a couple posts up, thoughts appreciated

May · November 21, 2022, 8:24pm

Usually I feel like I have some level of insight into a game. It feels like I can see a post and hear tone behind it. I got none of that this time around. I feel like I can’t even entirely blame it on being sick - I felt like I had more understanding of GOAT^2, when I had COVID, than now… some of it’s gotta just be my own fault, and therefore fixable, but I just don’t know how. I can’t play forum mafia consciously, I suck at conscious reads, but I’m not getting the subconscious pings I rely on, so here I am… I’ve really got to get better at Thinking about forum mafia rather than (or in conjunction with) Feeling about it so that this doesn’t happen in the future.

Marluxion · November 21, 2022, 8:24pm

I don’t think lemon is a wolf anymore

mollylikesorigami · November 21, 2022, 8:24pm

if it makes you feel differently

my read on you rn is very much not lemon’s read on you rn

Arete · November 21, 2022, 8:24pm

ok

why not