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[Zorvo]

@Magnus

Can confirm Zorvo was briefly suspicious on the first day of ‘80s until I turned it around. Enough to last until D4 despite not really trying later on.

Weren’t you wolf that game though?

[Arete]

@Jarek

@Arete

can you explain this, this feels kind of dissonant

What’s dissonant about it, the fact I said I town-read them then started throwing shade on them 2 seconds later? I did say I trust Zorvo the least. I very much mean it.

Yeah

Like I was interpreting you saying you townread him but the least as like

‘you think he is probably town, but less strongly than the other people on the list’

so it was weird to me that you jumped from that to saying you would vote him twice if you could

[Magnus]

I was supporting your point, yeah.

[Jarek]

@Arete

so it was weird to me that you jumped from that to saying you would vote him twice if you could

I don’t think there’s any way I can say it without being like rude or coming across as a dick but there’s a deep feeling in my gut that just makes me not want to trust Zorvo at all and makes me want to kill him because he’s rubbing it in how good he is and how everyone should trust him and believe only him and it makes me want to vote him off just to stop it

I’m insane I know

[Arete]

@Jarek

@Arete

so it was weird to me that you jumped from that to saying you would vote him twice if you could

I don’t think there’s any way I can say it without being like rude or coming across as a dick but there’s a deep feeling in my gut that just makes me not want to trust Zorvo at all and makes me want to kill him because he’s rubbing it in how good he is and how everyone should trust him and believe only him and it makes me want to vote him off just to stop it

I’m insane I know

would it be accurate to say that you don’t think he’s a wolf, you just think he’s annoying/overconfident/etc. and that makes you want to kill him even if he’s not? or am I misunderstanding you

[Jarek]

@Arete

would it be accurate to say that you don’t think he’s a wolf , you just think he’s annoying/overconfident/etc. and that makes you want to kill him even if he’s not?

…Yes. I don’t want to be rude, but yes. That’s the gist of it. It is 100 percent a mean thing to want to do.

[Arete]

@Jarek

@Arete

would it be accurate to say that you don’t think he’s a wolf , you just think he’s annoying/overconfident/etc. and that makes you want to kill him even if he’s not?

…Yes. I don’t want to be rude, but yes. That’s the gist of it. It is 100 percent a mean thing to want to do.

okay

I think Jarek is probably a frustrated villager

[Arete]

(I also think it would probably be better to try to find someone you actually think is a wolf and vote them, even if Zorvo is frustrating you)

[Jarek]

@Arete

(I also think it would probably be better to try to find someone you actually think is a wolf and vote them, even if Zorvo is frustrating you)

I’m not frustrated at least I’m not like angry or anything. I don’t hate Zorvo or anything like that I do genuinely think if anyone has a chance of being a wolf out of the top-posters it would currently be Zorvo because I don’t see red flags anywhere else yet /shrug

[Arete]

@Jarek

@Arete

(I also think it would probably be better to try to find someone you actually think is a wolf and vote them, even if Zorvo is frustrating you)

I’m not frustrated at least I’m not like angry or anything. I don’t hate Zorvo or anything like that I do genuinely think if anyone has a chance of being a wolf out of the top-posters it would currently be Zorvo because I don’t see red flags anywhere else yet /shrug

alright

what about in the non-top posters, is there anyone there you have a read on? (even a weak one)

[Jarek]

Not yet I haven’t looked at anyone in my humble opinion it hasn’t been long enough the iso’s haven’t ripened yet I can’t get a read from 10 posts (including the introduction shitpost everyone does)

I can look at some people real quick if you want

[Arete]

that would be great, I’d be particularly interested in hearing your thoughts on Eliza and Aro

[Jarek]

My god these iso’s are readable this is impossible.

Eliza:

From 18 posts I can glean that they have either distanced from Zorvo or are not alligned with them, they look like they’re soft-defending you by throwing shade on May by questioning why they trust Zorvo so much which is awesome. Probably a villager from what I know of how eliza plays but it’s literally 18 posts

Arogame123

Mega tinfoil but helping the newbie seeming town player prisma makes me want to call them scum I mean they literally even said they were pocketing them as a joke which haha funny (it’s not a joke). Seems to have dedicated most of their thread presence to interacting with the new guy

I mean hey nothing wrong with that just uh…You know. The pocketing joke makes me

[Arctic]

@May

I’ve seen town Seth in a few recent games, and he is very often right . I don’t understand people who say he’s completely incomprehensible or has no underlying logic - I usually find him predictable and easy to follow.

not enough games then clearly
in my experience his accuracy is =rand and i struggle to follow 90% of what he says

if your experience with him is… better, then this is understandable, i guess

@May

Arete’s response to Zorvo seems primarily concerned with defending themselves, in a way that’s like… they see it as an argument to win, and the winstate is everyone else wolfreading Zorvo. It’s the sort of thing Molly was doing to me on early days in GOAT^2, and I missed that tell.

in that case how would you expect a villager to react to seth’s push?

@Zorvo

Arctic Said the Following: (sorry I lost the quote to it.)

feel like this is probably villagery? for wolf prisma to have the thought that they would only vote at eod , it would have to be for some tactical/strategical reason to gain an advantage, so i think them contradicting this is villagery

My Response: This is a reach read IMO.

in the post i am referring to prisma literally says they will not be voting until the end of the day, so i don’t know why you have underlined specifically this part and called it a reach when i am citing factual evidence

@Zorvo

Me, Magnus and May are Obvious Town.

why is magnus town?

@Magnus

Would you believe me if I said that was a typo?
But really, what I did say and what I am saying are two different reads.

At first I construed Molly’s posts as solving. On reflection, Molly has only really commented or been helpful; derpclear Prisma, explains in a follow-up post; votes Otter, says they’re doing better… and nothing else. Really, it looks like Molly’s floating.

okay fair enough. i need to see more from molly but i thought the way she called out otter as clearly having more experience than they do and playing dumb was villagery

@Zorvo

I repeat (If Arete is a wolf this PoE contains at least 1 if not both wolves), Jarek/Eliza/Arctic/Prisma.

@Magnus

Hey so you invited Prisma here.
What’s your current stance on them?
Now look at it again from the perspective Prisma/Arete are aligned wolves, does their behaviour make sense, cause to me it does.

what reasons do you have to think prisma and arete are w/w?
assuming magnus is telling the truth in the next post (which i am guessing is true since it’s easily verifiable) arete’s only real mention of prisma was… shutting down townreads on them for purity and this does not feel w/w
and prisma’s only interaction with arete was a response to them asking why they changed their mind on when to make a vote, which doesn’t seem to indicate anything in the way of w/w either

@Zorvo

Remember when they first posted the first post they seen/was showed was my Arete case I gave them that they decided to not comment on if I remember correctly.

please don’t tell me this is your entire reason for that connection-

[Arctic]

i feel like magnus and may are both playing into seth’s undue reads in a way that is more likely to be egging on a villager rather than a collaborative w/w effort and i really don’t like it

[Arete]

@ElizaThePsycho

can you ping me when you’ll be online for an extended period of time, I want to realtime with you to see if I can get a more confident read in either direction

[Arctic]

and magnus’s response to seth asking if prisma and arete could be w/w feels so wrong. even if there are things he may think are w/w, he has no reason to scumread prisma and he currently townreads arete, so why is he so willing to entertain this thought from seth? why does he vote arete despite having townreads on both of them just to make seth not the leading wagon? why is he completely unconcerned that two people he townreads are the top two wagons? (probably less relevant given playstyle things: why has he shown no interest in working to resolve either of their reads on the other?)

If the answer to this is “he started scumreading arete due to the prisma/arete w/w posts” then that is almost just as bad, because it is based entirely on a preflip with someone he doesn’t even scumread (prisma)

If someone townreads magnus, please let me know why

[Arete]

Arctic your case Makes Sense to me but I’m worried I’m biased

[Arctic]

@Jarek

I actually got put in a scum-read list for not believing Zorvo at face value. Hilarious.

(i’m starting to accept that these w/w reads are literally just whoever took arete’s side of the argument + prisma)

[Arctic]

well someone who is not biased because they are not you (me) has had the thought so if you scumread magnus for these reasons then rest assured bias isn’t much of a factor here

while we’re here, do you have a read on aro yet?