Bland & Flavorless Mountainous 15er - Mafia Winnered

[Arctic]

@Magnus

@Arctic

if you read my iso fully you will have explanations for both of these

You moved Eliza way later.

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@Arctic

fwiw, the reason i started to suspect eliza and townread arete was due to arete’s post on eliza being in commentary mode. for arete, i find it unlikely wolf them would have had the thought to change gear mid-seth argument and call out eliza for being in commentary mode while they were trying to leverage a push on seth (considering that eliza had also just voted seth at this point) so i think it indicates they have a malleable view of the game. for eliza, well. i just agreed with the post lol

@Arctic

i think i’m at something like

varying levels of town: arete, neon, jarek, molly, prisma
varying levels of wolfy: zorvo(?), eliza, may, magnus

which for anti-aligning reasons i stated earlier feels probably wrong. but then again i don’t have reads on like half the game yet so i feel like this is unavoidable

these posts occurred in this order, within 30 minutes of each other, from reasoning that occurred just as i decided to go to sleep.

[Arctic]

if anyone feels like wagoning an actual wolf, please join me on magnus

[Lemonfairy]

wow, I usually always roll wolf for my first games
and I rarely rand wolf normally

[Jarek]

is it because of the profile picture be honest

[Lemonfairy]

@Prisma101

VOTE: otterpopd

@mollylikesorigami

VOTE: otterpopd

what is happening here lol

[Arctic]

if i wanted to vote someone based on profile pictures it’d probably be otter because wtf is that

[Lemonfairy]

this is too happy and friendly
scumlean

actually, no
with the previous post it’s alright
townlean

[Jarek]

A based take.

[Magnus]

@Arctic

@Arete

I don’t think this makes sense to me, Arctic was questioning May’s read which is the opposite of “propping it up”

what do you think the villager response is to someone making a read that you disagree with in the very-early game?

@Magnus can you answer this

Did I misunderstand something? Arctic was questioning May’s read to get them to broaden it and to hopefully feel more confident in it. Accusing May is a good look, but the same sentiment isn’t there whenever you supposedly returned to the case later. Eliza/May aren’t competing leading wagons.

Arete (1): Arctic
ElizaThePsycho (1): May

Not Voting (13): Zorvo, Aleph, Arete, Lemonfairy, Magnus, ElizaThePsycho, Jarek, Arogame123, otterpopd, Phraze, Neon, mollylikesorigami, Prisma101

Y’know what, that could explain why you dropped your read on Eliza. You said you agreed with Arete’s reasoning, but you never even responded to his case.

@Arete

VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

anyways I changed my mind I think Eliza is going full commentary-mode (like, more than she normally does)

@Arete

like we are at a sports game and most of us are running around trying to get the ball from one side of the field or the other side of the field, or at least doing a convincing approximation of that, but you don’t actually have an investment in getting the ball anywhere [in this analogy that corresponds to how wolves don’t need to solve the game] and so instead are making like, vague tangential remarks, rather than actually having any investment in figuring out what’s happening

@ElizaThePsycho

taking bets on if seth changes his mind at all for the rest of the game

this^ was the specific post that prompted the read but some other ones that also feel that way are

@Arete

I think that Eliza, rather than having intrinsic motivation to solve the game, is rather acting as a “commentator” who remarks on random things to fill space rather than because they really care about them/believe them/think they are relevant, and that this points to her being mafia who doesn’t need to solve the game [she does some of this as town but I think usually less?]

I am voting for her because of this

does that clear things up?

why do you think Eliza is villagery?

You never actually responded to anything. This could be a stretch, though, so I won’t make that assumption.

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@Arctic

i did, in fact, talk about may again. multiple times, even! here are my posts talking about may:

[quote=“Arctic, post:480, topic:3686”]

@Arctic

@May

I won’t couch this in too many words: I agree with Zorvo, Arete’s pinging a bit wolfy to me, VOTE: Arete
[/quote]

and i am just like. what? i can get that you may scumread for arete for the reasons you gave before (even though i don’t agree), but if the implication of this post is that you think seth’s arguments in particular hold any merit then i am fairly concerned (having actually read them and concluding that they are certifiably ), in conjunction with the timing of this making me feel like it’s a deferral of responsibility to seth for a vote on a villager

@Arctic

seth/magnus/may. eliza?

problem is a bunch of these people are clearly not w/w
magnus/may being the main one, i think (see: may’s callout of magnus’s post joking about wolfchat being one that a wolf would probably be too scared to make on a partner, plus her callout of magnus’s lack of a vote)
eliza/seth… is. huh. one second

@Arctic

i feel like magnus and may are both playing into seth’s undue reads in a way that is more likely to be egging on a villager rather than a collaborative w/w effort and i really don’t like it

#1 involves you uplifting Arete while accusing May of pocketing Zorvo, despite admitting they already had reasons to scumread Arete. It’s a way of diminishing the presence of them both.
#2 and #3 are fair enough, although they contradict each other if you scumread May and myself independently, if we cannot be aligned in your eyes. FMPOV, inclined to believe May is Town, this looks like a very easy way to chain misexes.

[Arctic]

@Magnus

Did I misunderstand something? Arctic was questioning May’s read to get them to broaden it and to hopefully feel more confident in it. Accusing May is a good look, but the same sentiment isn’t there whenever you supposedly returned to the case later. Eliza/May aren’t competing leading wagons.

you are ascribing motivations to my posts
i asked may to expand on it because i wanted to see if it was something she believed, i didn’t want to influence the confidence in her read and i have no idea why’d think this from the post i made
i also have no idea why eliza/may not being wagons is even remotely relevant to this

@Magnus

You said you agreed with Arete’s reasoning, but you never even responded to his case.

i said i thought arete was town when they made that post, and went to sleep
the next time i spoke about eliza (today) was in reference to the post arete made

@Magnus

#1 involves you uplifting Arete while accusing May of pocketing Zorvo, despite admitting they already had reasons to scumread Arete. It’s a way of diminishing the presence of them both.
#2 and #3 are fair enough, although they contradict each other if you scumread May and myself independently, if we cannot be aligned in your eyes. FMPOV, inclined to believe May is Town, this looks like a very easy way to chain misexes.

i don’t know what you are trying to say in #1. diminishing who, how?

#2 and #3 again, laughably bad. i’m allowed to scumread two players who i think have been independently wolfy while thinking they aren’t aligned, especially on day 1. what i’ve been trying to do is figure out which of you is more likely a wolf

[Arete]

@Magnus

Did I misunderstand something? Arctic was questioning May’s read to get them to broaden it and to hopefully feel more confident in it. Accusing May is a good look, but the same sentiment isn’t there whenever you supposedly returned to the case later. Eliza/May aren’t competing leading wagons.

That is pretty much the exact opposite of how I read Arctic’s post regardless of his alignment

Like as far as I can tell what happened was basically:

• May: “I think Eliza is sus because her early posts were very short and contentless”
• Arctic: “I disagree with that, Eliza does that as town, and as wolf she would be more likely to feel the need to make fake content. Have you ever seen her play scum?”

I am not really sure how you get from there to ‘Arctic wanted May to feel more confident in it’

@Magnus

#2 and #3 are fair enough, although they contradict each other if you scumread May and myself independently, if we cannot be aligned in your eyes. FMPOV, inclined to believe May is Town, this looks like a very easy way to chain misexes.

how confident are you in Arctic being scum?

[Arctic]

one of the hardest parts about wolfing, magnus, is being able to make convincing pushes on villagers when you know they are town

i can show you a thing or two one time after this game because you could do with stepping up your methods a bit

[Arctic]

@May i feel like, for lack of a better wording, you are hiding this game. lurking, maybe

would you say this is accurate?
if so, why the different approach?

[Magnus]

@Arctic

i said i thought arete was town when they made that post, and went to sleep
the next time i spoke about eliza (today) was in reference to the post arete made

When was this?

@Arctic

i don’t know what you are trying to say in #1. diminishing who, how?

#2 and #3 again, laughably bad. i’m allowed to scumread two players who i think have been independently wolfy while thinking they aren’t aligned, especially on day 1. what i’ve been trying to do is figure out which of you is more likely a wolf

#1. May and Zorvo.

@Arete

I am not really sure how you get from there to ‘Arctic wanted May to feel more confident in it’

It’s me making stuff up to see what works.

@Arete

how confident are you in Arctic being scum?

I’m not overly confident in anyone being scum right about now, I’m just engaging in a conversation through a specific lens to see if it makes sense.

@Arctic

one of the hardest parts about wolfing, magnus, is being able to make convincing pushes on villagers when you know they are town

i can show you a thing or two one time after this game because you could do with stepping up your methods a bit

Sure, I’d take the helpful advice.

[Arete]

@Magnus

It’s me making stuff up to see what works.

I

what?

[May]

Yea I am, a bit. I’m a bit busy right now, so I don’t have infinite time to dedicate to rereading the thread and building narratives, and I don’t have any particular thoughts on the game at the moment that I feel the need to be loud about.

I tend to be a bit quieter on D1s if things are going on, anyway - you could see that in Valorant, where I wasn’t super involved with things because everyone was already having 1000 arguments. It’s mostly when I feel the content of the game is insubstantial that I’m super involved and asking questions, and right now, you’re all being fairly substantial.

Plus, like, there’s plenty of content revolving specifically around me right now, and I find I don’t like to poke on that stuff; I want to let it happen, and people talk about you differently when you’re around thread. I don’t want people to stop questioning the origins of my reads, because how they go about that is informative, so of course I’ll avoid clarifying.

Also if I’m too towny I’ll get N1ed and then I don’t get to play with Otter as much and that would be SAD and SUS

[Arctic]

@Magnus

When was this?

@Arctic

fwiw, the reason i started to suspect eliza and townread arete was due to arete’s post on eliza being in commentary mode. for arete, i find it unlikely wolf them would have had the thought to change gear mid-seth argument and call out eliza for being in commentary mode while they were trying to leverage a push on seth (considering that eliza had also just voted seth at this point) so i think it indicates they have a malleable view of the game. for eliza, well. i just agreed with the post lol

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@Magnus

It’s me making stuff up to see what works.

i’m glad you admitted this because this encapsulates how I’d describe your case against me

[Arete]

can you explain why you ‘made stuff up to see what works’

[Magnus]

I don’t understand the question.

[Lemonfairy]

@May

I’ll do you one better, I’ve rolled town for every single longform mafia game I’ve played . That’s… god knows how many at this point, it’s been a while since I’ve counted, at least fifteen.

about time for you to roll scum
gambler’s fallacy, ik

@Prisma101

The typing style is my reason i dont want to have the issue of having to put two words together like a puzzle to read it

the typos are the funniest part b/c I’ve seen May make typos like that and it fits well with the narrative otterpopd is May’s alt

@Arogame123

Didn’t they say they rolled town like the past 15 times? When/how long ago have you seen them play as mafia that gives you this impression?

Also, I would say that discord games are not comparable to these long forum games, assuming the discord games are faster in pace.

yeah, Aro getting better now
think the hehe threw me off for a bit

@May

town, village, V, cool epic faction that always wins

we win in our own way

@Magnus

You’re doing it again.

lol
except it’s the opposite this time

@Prisma101

How can you guarantee

lol ok
this can be town ig

@Magnus

most of this post reads as IIoA but idk I think Magnus ISO-ing this early is probably a good thing

@Magnus

better nightkill

lemon is optimal NK material
I’m yellow, tangy, and lemony-fresh

what more do you want?