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[Arctic]

damn my plans have been stolen

[Arctic]

here is my wolfcase on magnus

(seth is the puppet)

[Jarek]

Iso makes me want to say Magnus is town so does anyone want to point out why magnus is specifically scum to them or am I just a lunatic god help me.

@Arogame123

Hmmm ok, so you wouldn’t want to give me more time to discuss/talk more as you admit it’s the only thing in my ISO? So disregarding everything else that I could say, that one read to you is so “precious” that you’d be ok with voting me because you feel like you have “found a wolf” from that interaction alone?

Yeah at least early on I’m like that I find something I don’t like and then I vote people for it. I wouldn’t worry about it too much because most of the time I put zero effort into wagonning the person I latch onto like this.

@Arogame123

So if I was a person you “found wolfy from a certain interaction” and you said you don’t really solve worlds but more “here is someone I found as wolf,” why is your current pool to kill only 3? Do you believe majority of the thread has been towny overall that you only have 3 concrete sr?

Because I’m definitely wrong and those 3 people are information flips (with you being a vanity flip that if I flip and am correct on I get to showboat) I don’t know if anyone of them is a wolf but if I allow myself to 100 percent believe anyone I’m voting is a wolf and they can’t be town and they flip town I’m going to be let down and dissapointed and this will affect my willpower to play the game going into the next day(s) so I’m trying not to look at people as wolves neccessarily.

[May]

Okay I should probably elaborate more about my read on Jarek rather than just saying auuughuh they’re acting differently that’s a copout that’s lazy let’s go effortposting gamers

@Jarek

So first question there’s a post cap of 100/150 right that’s awesome just checking I can read up but I’m lazy and idle conversation is fun,

Second question…I don’t have any more questions yet I just got here and need to read up.

Think someone said No-Exe is a good idea and usually I’d agree however none of us have abilities so the only information we’re really going to get outside of social reads are executions and peoples reactions to them. Our goal should be to get as much information on as many people as possible before lylo and hopefully with the information we gather by the time we get to lylo the wolves are obvious

I don’t think idling is like, ever a good idea, and I think making a show of explaining why you’re not doing it this game is particularly villagery. It feels performative.

@Jarek

In my humble opinion given how early this post is in the game I highly doubt Zorvo is worried they’re going to get quickhammered for any reason and were probably just joking. What that says for allignment I don’t know.

I think people are looking into this 20 questions post a bit too much too. I don’t think any wolf is going to slip up answering that question; any answer will NAI the only genuine responses you’re gonna get are from pressure not from friendly conversation unless the wolf accidentally TMI’s something.

When I say Jarek is acting out-of-character, I don’t even mean “low-engagement”, I mean that like… they’re discarding earlygame information out of hand when my post just there was clearly an attempt to pull the game together. No early case will have “pressure”. Jarek was integral in bringing Starcraft out of RVS, so I don’t understand why they’ve suddenly stopped understanding this stage of the game here.

@Jarek

But you clearly distrust me based on your reaction to my opening post and you don’t seem to be willing to place your vote anywhere else, what’s the harm in applying some pressure to a potentially evil player to see if others agree?

Lol. Lmao. Bait. Trying not to seem like they’re afraid of being voted. Performative

@Jarek

I don’t think all three of the wolves jump on one person and push them. Nothing says they can’t but if you can come up with a magical world where all three of those people are wolves and decided to do that I’ll yield.

Is this deferral of responsibility implying May is going to push Zorvo for being wrong or that they’re just shrugging their shoulders and letting whatever happens happens and being oppurtunistic? probably the latter I would assume.

OK if I called this post out for inconsistencies with Starcraft that would be refusing to believe people are living, growing beings.

@Jarek

@Zorvo

I think out of the 4 it looks like this from Arete’s partner equity.

Highest of Chance
Prisma
Eliza
Arctic
Jarek
Lowest of Chance

I actually got put in a scum-read list for not believing Zorvo at face value. Hilarious.

This interaction feels like a wolf trying to goad a townie into dropping a read. It’s combative.

@Jarek

Hot-take nobody who is actively posting in-thread with these wall-posts is a wolf what would everyone think then.

Very broad statements that don’t require them to single out anyone in particular

@Jarek

Yes I am town-reading Magnus/Zorvo/Arete/Arctic potentially.

Zorvo is the least towniest town-read but I’m chalking that up to me being me. I won’t explain what that means.

Jarek’s made a big point out of not explaining themselves this game, to the point where it feels forced to me? Attempt to seem casual.

@Jarek

What does this even mean. You think? So you don’t even know why you think I’m a wolf and think others aren’t you just have a feeling? That seems very unlike you considering how you’ve been acting with everyone else. I can’t vote you twice. But I would if I could.

Combative

Okay I’m bored I’m leaving this iso figure the rest out for yourselves bye.

[Jarek]

Elabourating on magnus I can’t see anything in particular maybe I’m biased because I like magnus but I don’t know. The whole lying and making shit up and admitting they’re doing it thing is kinda townie more than anything else because a wolf isn’t going to put themselves in the line of fire to get burnt like that just for the case of acting like they’re scumreading. They definitely aren’t going to admit straight up they were lying guilty consciences and all that.

If you guys think Magnus is a pupeteer could you point out the posts where he’s doing that so I can stare at them and burn my eyes out reading the same thing like I’m in an english class over and over again

[Arctic]

i’d agree it was villagery if that was his first response to being called out about his read on me, but he repeatedly tried to defend the read before arete made it very clear it ultimately had no real basis, so there wasn’t much else for him to do there?

damn do i actually need to make this case

[Jarek]

@May

When I say Jarek is acting out-of-character, I don’t even mean “low-engagement”, I mean that like… they’re discarding earlygame information out of hand when my post just there was clearly an attempt to pull the game together. No early case will have “pressure”. Jarek was integral in bringing Starcraft out of RVS, so I don’t understand why they’ve suddenly stopped understanding this stage of the game here.

I genuinely don’t know what I did last game that you think got us out of whatever RVS is but I assure you it was a complete fluke though I do invite you to point it out for me so I know what I did.

[Arogame123]

Hmm ok, so if you feel like you can be “definitely wrong” somewhere, who else would you want to put in your POE/kill list then? Because I don’t think you answered my earlier question of “do you feel like the thread has been overall towny” where you have a few people in your kill list? And if you feel like you are wrong somewhere, which one of your tr do u think you can be wrong?

I also just saw you feel like Magnus is town, but you just had him in your scum list. What made you feel specifically that Magnus is town enough to move him out of your POE?

[Arete]

@Magnus

can you give examples from previous games of times when you’ve made up reads/reasoning for reactions? (ideally with quotes/links to specific posts)

[Jarek]

@Arctic

i’d agree it was villagery if that was his first response to being called out about his read on me, but he repeatedly tried to defend the read before arete made it very clear it ultimately had no real basis, so there wasn’t much else for him to do there?

It’s mostly because he did this last game that makes me want to say in my head “oh look it’s happening again” and just accept it. Like he got called out last game and adamantly defended his fake-claim until he got L-1’d and almost died as a town jailkeeper with no restrictions so I have a feeling this is just how Magnus plays with lies. Feel free to prove me wrong.

@Arogame123

Hmm ok, so if you feel like you can be “definitely wrong” somewhere, who else would you want to put in your POE/kill list then?

Nobody I want one of those three to die today for different reasons

Zorvo because the deathtunnel on Arete is just odd regardless of whether I town-read someone or not overlooking odd behaviour is not wise
Magnus because odd behaviour even if I think it’s fine
You because I’m 500 IQ

@Arogame123

I also just saw you feel like Magnus is town, but you just had him in your scum list. What made you feel specifically that Magnus is town enough to move him out of your POE?

It’s not a scum-list it’s a list of people who I want to die that aren’t neccessarily evil but would tell me things that would help me find actual evils if they aren’t evil themselves. I don’t solve the game the way others seem to do like I said, I work on one person at a time.

This whole world-building shtick where I’m like “yeah you’re evil with X-Y-Z” iust sucks to me. If you’re wrong on the first hurdle you’re wrong on everyone else most likely and it’s demoralizing. So no. One at a time.

[Arete]

@Arete

general question for the group: does anyone here [except Zorvo] have any strong reads, in either direction?

(if the answer is yes please also make a pitch for your read)

reposting this now that we have More Posts to go on

I think a lot of us mostly have a bunch of weak reads and nothing that we’re super substantial on, I think it would be great if the people who have things that they Really, Genuinely Believe In want to try and make their pitch for it

[mollylikesorigami]

here for uno momento

@Arctic

@mollylikesorigami

anyway i’m snapreading magnus as an ic

why

it’s probably gonna sound a bit like gobbledygook, but i think he’s being pretty creative and hyperactive for a wolf, like he’s considering every possibility at the exact same time

and at points i think i remember seeing random thoughts i’d forgotten he’d ever had, suddenly becoming relevant in his newer world building shenanigans, and he pulled those back into the equation (like his mentioning how he thought prisma would avoid bussing early). they’re the kinds of things that make me think he actually cares about his thoughts, even when you’re not looking.

[Jarek]

@May

Jarek’s made a big point out of not explaining themselves this game, to the point where it feels forced to me? Attempt to seem casual.

I’m not explaining myself

2 posts later I explain myself

[Jarek]

If you ask me magnus clearly doesn’t care about living just getting reactions out of people. His magnum opus is flipping town and having everyone soyface over the fact they were wrong.

Mark my words.

[mollylikesorigami]

(ftr i have minimal hopes of catching up on the full thread lol)

[Arctic]

@Arete

I think it would be great if the people who have things that they Really, Genuinely Believe In want to try and make their pitch for it

(it is in the works, but i am now marginally less confident after recent posts)

[Arete]

how much of it have you read

[mollylikesorigami]

i think i got like 250 posts in from the start before i switched to operation iso everyone

[Arogame123]

@Jarek So you seem to play off “info flipping” right? That seems to be your playstyle?

So is your ideal world to kill all 3 of us and then re-eval from there? Do you have a certain idea of people’s alignments pending our alignments on what we flip one at a time?

What info do you get from our flips and what would your solve look like in certain hypotheticals? I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on that please.

[Arete]

hiya Aro

do you have like

actual reads (besides the read on Prisma)

one of the things I noticed earlier was that you were giving a lot fewer Takes than I’m used to from you, that might’ve partially been that you weren’t around but now you are around so