Chair of Deception 2 - Game Thread - GAME OVER - UNSHACKLED AND TRICKSTER WIN

[Jarek]

@guavagudetama

the implication you think we’re shit at a genre of game that I personally have been playing since elementary school because we didn’t exe a neutral the second we saw it

I didn’t say that or imply that if you misread it that way then my wording might have been awful

the implication was that IF I got executed because I was pushing the neutral and because I was pushing the neutral, then yes that’s awful and absolutely undeniably the dumbest reason to die ever, but it didn’t happen so that’s no problem

[guavagudetama]

@Jarek

But enough about my anti-neut charade it’s over and done with we’re playing the game now

also, oh thank the heavens, surely we will win under your guidance

[Yamikarp]

Fell asleep and almost missed EoD lol

[Jarek]

my entire point was neut = free execution

me say “neut die”

everyone go “jarek die” because I said that (has happened in games before)

me no longer want to play with people who do that because what are you doing lol

[Gorta]

@Yamikarp

I wonder if people get notified when converted by Zorvo

@Yamikarp

Is it though? We don’t gain much info from lynching a neutral, assuming Zorvo is what they claim.

@Yamikarp

Like, I feel scum would basically stall town’s discussion all D1 and then jump on Zorvo because there’s nobody else to vote. Which is why I’m suspicious of anybody who suggests Zorvo as a safe lynch.

why is Yami defending a claimed noot on d1 so hard?

[guavagudetama]

@Jarek

the implication was that IF I got executed because I was pushing the neutral and because I was pushing the neutral, then yes that’s awful and absolutely undeniably the dumbest reason to die ever, but it didn’t happen so that’s no problem

that’s still
interesting
but I’m like 99% sure you’re town so I don’t want to argue with you about this topic

[Zorvo]

@Jarek

I feel bad about killing zorvo, they seem legitimate, but they’re still NOT town

@Jarek

In my ideal world zorvo would die and we would be happy but I feel guilty about it now and that’s pissing me off

@Jarek

Backstab me and you can kiss your ass goodbye

@Jarek

Unless they willingly make the game harder for themselves for no logical reason they’ll always side with the Majority. The majority is us, right now, but once evils start getting the upper hand and we lose the ability to “waste time” on less valuable executions like the neutrals, then they’ll be more incentivized to side against us to end the game quicker.

I hate it.

@Jarek

Anyway. Zorvo is kinda right. I need to get my own head out of my own ass and go find someone else to kill because once I kill zorvo I’ll be all “OKAY NOW WHAT” and have nowhere to go. so lets fix that.

@Jarek

There’s no need to be rude about a statement I made. Let it be put on record that I firmly believe if ANY town is executed over the claimed neut today, then towns chances of winning are going to drop to the floor

@Jarek

And if town legit exe’s me over a claimed neut that is anti-town, yes, you will lose. because that’s fucking stupid.

@Jarek

I can’t exactly point to every social deduction game I’ve ever played but every game I play like this I despise neutral characters.

In almost every game I play, they side town the entire time until evils get majority, and then start acting like they “don’t know who to vote” and refuse to vote evils and town loses. All while town adamantly refuses to do anything about the neut up until that point.

God that’s infurating in a 20 minute game can you imagine how bad that’d be in a game like this

@Jarek

I won’t be backing down from my choice and my opinion so you can kill me for it and lose I honestly could not care less but I am not letting a neut get any town cred unopposed and just run free when every time that has literally ever happened it has been a horrible mistake.

Like, even in the throne of lies days - someone like a pretender gets elected as king then half-way through the game “tee-hee I’m actually siding unseen, omg pls don’t kill me i’ll side with the unseen pls dont’ kill me!!”

Of course the Neut is going to say anything they can to get you on their side it’s literally their job. If they die, they lose the game on the spot. There is no second chances for them. Once you give them a position of power they’re going to turn on you. Maybe they won’t. Maybe they’ll be completely trustworthy and when it boils down to a 4v4v1 or whatever, and the neut is the deciding vote, maybe they’ll decide to help us.

Or how about we just elect a good king instead, and we don’t worry about empowering a neut kingmaker for absolutely no reason.

@Leafia
All this.
Each of those posts together comes from town, not wolf.

[Yamikarp]

Jarek have you given your opinion about Magnus? They were also RB’d, and have more people saying they’re potentially wolf. I feel like you’re being biased cause you’re the one who RB0d me.

[Gorta]

I honestly think Yami is a hit because like what little there is in that ISO is either defending the claimed noot or Leafia with little other solving

[Jarek]

@Yamikarp

I feel like you’re being biased cause you’re the one who RB0d me.

I am honestly and that’s a concern I have. I don’t know much about Magnus, all I know is I know I roleblocked you, and I don’t know who roleblocked magnus. I’m not against going elsewhere, I just don’t see why I should? Magnus is a potential hit as well if we assume the killer was roleblocked, that’s true. I’m just going where my information points, if that makes sense.

[Leafia]

@Gorta

@Leafia

Why not? Gaining trust is key in these games.

because then you could be sniped the next few days

They’d need to figure out I’m evil first.

@Gorta

@Leafia

I literally would never say this as scum.

hear me out, R O L E S T H A T F A K E O U T I N V E S T I G A T I V E S

There aren’t any roles in the game I believe. Please correct me if I’m wrong here.

@Jarek

We actually don’t know until they flip. They could easily be taking a gambit and claiming neutral. It’s not exactly unheard of. I’d like for it to be a known quantity, as opposed to just blindly believing it.

I can guarantee that Zorvo wouldn’t do that.

@Zorvo

See I don’t.
I think the way he handled my slot was better than any other player pushing me and his reactions and thoughts were Townie.

Wolves can hate neuts too. It’s NAI.

@Gorta

even if you had 2 wolves on d3 you are still weakened

No different than any other game.

@Zorvo

Also the way he comes in claiming his role and roleblocked Yami then Yami claims they can bleed and why does Jarek then make a pro town move and ask for the bleed to see if they can clear them and go elsewhere knowing they would be bleed?
Town does that almost all the time compared to a wolf, in what world Leafia do you think a wolf would ever request to be bleed and then state the Townie reason that was even a genuine concern to me.

In a world where they have TMI that they won’t be bled or trust that town trusts them enough to heal them once they’ve been bled.

@Jarek

No it’s really me just being extremely annoyed at the idea of a neut outlasting me and me dying first over the neut because I pushed the neut.

That doesn’t affect whether or not town will win though.

@Magnus

I’ll need you to quote examples of what you’re saying, because I don’t think anyone interpreted Jarek’s posts that way.

Not enough time and I don’t care enough to do so right now. I’ll do it tomorrow though if I’m alive.

@Jarek

I can get healed afterwards

Read this Zorvo. It invalidates all of it.

@Jarek

And if town legit exe’s me over a claimed neut that is anti-town, yes, you will lose. because that’s fucking stupid.

Read this again Zorvo and all that can easily be faked if someone hates neuts.

They’re NAI at best.

[Yamikarp]

Ok

[Jarek]

@Leafia

That doesn’t affect whether or not town will win though.

You’re really caught up on that to a suspicious degree.

[Leafia]

@Leafia

There aren’t any roles in the game I believe

Any roles like that I mean.

[Frostwolf103]

@Yamikarp

Ok

Who let the dogs out?

[Leafia]

Because I don’t trust you.

[Gorta]

Am I crazy for seeing hints of agenda in Yami’s posting? Like the posts just don’t seem natural because said posts look like they have an exact purpose and it’s not solving in the slightest

[Gorta]

anyway, onwards to Magnus

[Jarek]

@Leafia

They’re NAI at best.

Factually true.

Leafia is correct, Zorvo is defending me entirely because I’m their first bite and they’re incentivized to be biased in my favour.

No healers are dead and if I’m evil I’d know if one was converted; so I shouldn’t be scared of not being healed and asking to be bled shouldn’t scare me.

[Jarek]

I’m also bleeding now by the way