Chair of Deception 2 - Game Thread - GAME OVER - UNSHACKLED AND TRICKSTER WIN

[Wazza]

HEAL ME AND JAREK

[Leafia]

We’re not swapping to me.

[Wazza]

(heal Jarek first tho)

[thepigeonnyc]

I get MLed too much

[Jarek]

actual image of me

[Zorvo]

Day Ended

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Day 2 Final VC

thepigeonnyc (5): Zorvo, Jarek, Frostwolf103, Garfooled, Leafia
Leafia (3): Magnus, thepigeonnyc, Gorta
Magnus (2): Yamikarp, Kiiruma
Yamikarp (1): Creature
Caspore (1): Ranta

Not Voting (4): Caspore, Wazza, Caitlin, guavagudetama

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thepigeonnyc has been executed! They were…

thepigeonnyc

The Knight

Azure Dragoon Offensive

Resolute (Passive) - Immune to roleblocking and redirection.

Vigilanteism (Night) - Target a player. Increase your suspicion of them by 1 and the corresponding effect will take place. - Infinite Uses

• [1] Interfere - Remove a player’s immunities for this night.
• [2] Stand Guard - Roleblock a player and protect them. If they would die tonight, you will die in their place.
• [3] Cold Steel - Kill a player if you’ve targeted them three times. Otherwise, prevent all visits to them and roleblock them if they attempt to kill a player.

Duel (Night) - Repeat the last effect achieved through Vigilanteism on a player of your choice, regardless of your current suspicion of them. - 1 Use

Defeat the Unshackled or Cult and any Neutral Evils.

The Knight converts into The Enforcer or The Thaumaturge.

Night 2 begins, to end at 2023-01-30T01:00:00Z. Actions lock 1 hour before.

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A replacement is required.

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@Wingman has subbed in for @Caspore.

Do not discuss replacements.

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actions locked 17m ago

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@guavagudetama has died! They were…

guava

The Voodooist

Unshackled Support

Stitch Doll (Night) - Give a player death immunity tonight. If you die, you will attack them instead. Cannot target the same player on consecutive nights. - Infinite Uses
Spirit Ascension (Night) - If the target player is attacked, you will die in their place instead. If you die in any way when using this ability, you will create a permanent chat with your target and not be added to dead chat as long as they live. - Infinite Uses

Defeat the Azure Dragoon.

@Ranta has died! They were…

Ranta

The Wizard

Azure Dragoon Support

Pure Soul (Day) - Empower Ley Lines to make a player immune to conversion this night. - 2 Uses
Bitter Cold (Day) - Empower Ley Lines to make a player immune to death this night. - 2 Uses, 1 day cooldown

Ley Lines (Night) - Make a player immune to roleblocking and redirection this night. Cannot target the same player on consecutive nights. - Infinite Uses

Defeat the Unshackled or Cult and any Neutral Evils.

The Wizard converts into The Arcanist or The Summoner.

Ranta left behind a journal!

Ranta Journal

D1 Pure soul

N1 Ley lines, magnus

D2 bitter cold

N2 Ley lines, Caitlin

@Leafia has died! They were…

Leafia

The Shaman

Azure Dragoon Social

Totem of Dying (Day) - Target player cannot be healed tonight. Cannot target the same player two days in a row. - 2 uses

Siphon Life (Night) - Target a player. When they die, you will steal their first night ability as a 1 use ability that can be used alongside other actions. If their first night ability would be one of the following, you will get the corresponding ability that is listed - Infinite Uses

• Capable of targeted killing: Heal
• From Unshackled/Cult: Lacerate [see Assassin]
• From Neutral Evil: Stakeout [see Spy]
• Otherwise unusable: Heal

Defeat the Unshackled or Cult and any Neutral Evils.

The Shaman converts into The Warlock or The Pontiff.

Leafia left behind a journal!

Leafia Journal

Leafia the shaman’s journal

D1: No one
N1: /Siphon Life Magnus

@Jarek has died! They were…

Jarek

The Butler

Azure Dragoon Offensive

Dutiful (Passive) - Immune to roleblocking and redirection.

Serve Booze (Night) - Roleblock a player by getting them drunk. Cannot target the same player on consecutive nights. - 3 Uses
Round of Spirits (Night) - Roleblock all players who visit you tonight. - 1 Use

Defeat the Unshackled or Cult and any Neutral Evils.

The Butler converts into The Servant or The Thaumaturge .

Jarek left behind a journal!

Jarek Journal

N1 - Roleblock Karp

I trusted Guavo and that’s a hill I’m willing to die on. Karp can probably die tbh.

If I’m actually already dead I don’t know what that means but looking into why I was killed is probably a good idea, also lmao why did you kill silviu

@Frostwolf103 has died! They were…

Frostwolf

The Knight

Azure Dragoon Offensive

Resolute (Passive) - Immune to roleblocking and redirection.

Vigilanteism (Night) - Target a player. Increase your suspicion of them by 1 and the corresponding effect will take place. - Infinite Uses

• [1] Interfere - Remove a player’s immunities for this night.
• [2] Stand Guard - Roleblock a player and protect them. If they would die tonight, you will die in their place.
• [3] Cold Steel - Kill a player if you’ve targeted them three times. Otherwise, prevent all visits to them and roleblock them if they attempt to kill a player.

Duel (Night) - Repeat the last effect achieved through Vigilanteism on a player of your choice, regardless of your current suspicion of them. - 1 Use

Defeat the Unshackled or Cult and any Neutral Evils.

The Knight converts into The Enforcer or The Thaumaturge.

Frostwolf left behind a journal!

Frostwolf Journal

Claimlist

1. Luminary / Cult Leader - Yamikarp /
2. Assassin / Baron / Random Cult - Yamikarp /
3. Marquess
4. Random Azure Dragoon - Frostwolf103 (Squire)
5. Random Azure Dragoon - Gorta
6. Random Azure Dragoon - Kiiruma (Guildmaster > Good Lord)
7. Random Azure Dragoon - Wazza (Fortuneteller?)
8. Random Azure Dragoon - Jarek (Butler)
9. Random Azure Dragoon - Leafia (Shaman)
10. Random Azure Dragoon - Magnus
11. Random Azure Dragoon - Yamikarp / (Woodsman)
12. Random Azure Dragoon
13. Random Azure Dragoon - thepigeonnyc (Knight)
14. Random Azure Dragoon - Silviu (Banker)
15. Random Azure Dragoon / Random Neutral Non-Evil - Caspore (Too inactive to be any threat)
16. Random Neutral Non-Evil - Zorvo
17. Neutral Evil

guava, Garfooled, Creature, Ranta, Caitlin - Null

N1 - Caitlin (She visits or visits by someone YES)

N2 - My pigeon now, I tell Caitlin she violated the law

Notes: Leafia is sus with her claim and be on Magnus because she SAID she expects Magnus to die, but for now I filled in slot so I can focus on others.

Notes: I did vote Kiiruma, but I think it went too smoothly.

Notes: Luminary can indeed use Command for Assassin to succeed in any non-killing actions. That paints Magnus in good way since he will be vanillarized. But he will find out if he’s roleblocked by Assassin or Marquess

Day 3 begins to end in 48 hours. Since there is 10 alive, majority is 6

[Wazza]

holy shit what the hell happened

[Wingman]

I’m Wingman, or Wingman, Or Wingman.
Pleased to see you.
In the thirty or so minutes given before action lock since I subbed in, I have written this, and iso’d the entire game

@Magnus

@guavagudetama

and then I don’t wanna quote every single post from Magnus but Iike their posting

but just like our previous game with them idk if that means they’re town or just charismatic

I feel like I’ve said a lot of nothing, a lot of filler, a lot of “look at me I’m being useful”.

Self awareness for the sake of looking self aware.

@Frostwolf103

@Kiiruma

Indeed, the Decadent Lord gains the goal of the original neut.

So I’d rather focus on electing someone who is towny.

@Frostwolf103

Pro-Azure and staunch traditionalist. Look no further.

True, I do townread Kiiruma for a simple reason.

This is Frostwolf103’s reason for townreading Kiiruma, during early d1.
Fine for a microread, but I wish to see how this leads to Kiiruma being crowned

@Wazza

Read everytging

My choice is clear and I’m not voting a neutral to become lord lmao

Rather towny

@Wazza

Imma wait temporarily before voting at all for anything, I really don’t think I care who we elect

But also rather contradictory

@Magnus

For what it’s worth, I believe what Zorvo is saying. I’d just rather spite him by electing someone else.

Magnus seems unknown on electing Zorvo, yet after Wazza says not to, they say that despite it making logical sense, they’d rather vote elsewhere

@Magnus

I was fishing for a compliment.

Magnus is self aware, yet doesn’t seem as if they wish to change what they’re doing

Garfooled's Post

@Garfooled

Okay here goes:

Magnus being friendly with Creature: “You’ll notice I didn’t vote you for it.”

Caitlin: “I was scared he was gonna be someone I disliked lol as Idk the way they said phone in that small font gave me the chills”
-I will do the opposite to marinate you, PHONE HOW ARE YOU DOING IN THIS GAME TODAY??? … So anyway, photosynthesis am I right?

Magnus: “I think there’s a 50/50 chance you’re lying about which neutral you are, tbh.”
-I think its more like 80 percent they’re a truther and 20 percent they are liar liar pants on fire. They show up as neutral killing to investigative roles but they want to be shot to be confirmed first and foremost. But I mean that’s also a ballsy fake claim because they will probably be checked.

Zorvo: “I won’t bite a wolf, if I do end up doing so I just make sure I have bit numbers before I remove them.”
-Risky risky.

Creature: “I trust it to be true if wolves claiming third party is not common in this site or is it common?”
-Testing the waters, maybe thinking “should I or should I not claim neutral?” Might be a neutral imo.

Leafia: “You’re also not town. So you’re a safe execution if we don’t want to risk executing a villager.”
-This makes Leafia look good imo. Or they can be overcompensating to look innocent.

Caitlin: "I do agree with Zorvo’s logic on them not being a great lynch tho; especially with conversion it’s best if we get down to the source quickly’
-I can agree to that to a point but at the same time do we want someone who will create their own faction?

Caitlin: “Do feel like we shouldn’t make them Lord tho ”
-Why? Because they make their targets easy to kill and you want to bypass protection? (Joking mostly, I had to continue the tradition of fighting with you in every game we’re both in XD)

Creature: “Voting out neutral is objectively better than voting out town so in uncertainty/high risk town would rather lynch a neutral claim than someone who could easily be town.”
-Also true. But voting out neutrals is also a way that factions avoid getting voted out themselves. Drawing attention away from whoever might be being pushed (that might be their faction member)

Zorvo: “Nothing I don’t think.
That’s why I need to make sure I make a good bite choice and I have an idea in mind for my night 1.”
-Ahahaha again, risky risky.

Creature: “In a normal game on my site lynching neutral claims tend to be optimal because they’re either a wolf or a nontown and so there’s no harm in lynching someone who could easily wolfside if that would instantly win them the game.”
-This is fair… At this point I think Creature is too pushy to not be a good role. Don’t quote me on that later though when I turn out to be dead wrong.

Zorvo: “Then I went ahead and made an application for Lord.”
-I love that. Take all my money.

Frostwolf: “Multi-ball game already I see. Zorvo would still follow the goal when he becomes Decadent Lord.”
-I like what they said here. Noting here that Kiiruma also agrees with this.

This entire post from Garfooled is rather towny, and choses to quickly start getting out information

I chose not to discuss Zorvo’s king push. It’s rather clear neutral king isn’t as beneficial as AD, but is better then an evil king, and yet its far more likely a BD is elected as king then an evil

@Leafia

Reasons why I should be king instead of Zorvo:

1. I’m a cute Leafeon.
2. It’ll make a second person immune to conversion.
3. Knowning Zorvo’s track record as a town killing role, are you sure you want to trust him with a gun?

This should be noted.

@Creature

VOTE: Wazza

It’s a shame you randed wolf this game, Happy.

Spent the first part questioning if Wazza is Happy, then votes them when they believe they are, instead of focusing on their posts here, they’re metaing them from a username on a site most of us haven’t played with

@Jarek

I won’t be backing down from my choice and my opinion so you can kill me for it and lose I honestly could not care less but I am not letting a neut get any town cred unopposed and just run free when every time that has literally ever happened it has been a horrible mistake.

Like, even in the throne of lies days - someone like a pretender gets elected as king then half-way through the game “tee-hee I’m actually siding unseen, omg pls don’t kill me i’ll side with the unseen pls dont’ kill me!!”

Of course the Neut is going to say anything they can to get you on their side it’s literally their job. If they die, they lose the game on the spot. There is no second chances for them. Once you give them a position of power they’re going to turn on you. Maybe they won’t. Maybe they’ll be completely trustworthy and when it boils down to a 4v4v1 or whatever, and the neut is the deciding vote, maybe they’ll decide to help us.

Or how about we just elect a good king instead, and we don’t worry about empowering a neut kingmaker for absolutely no reason.

A better and well more explained version of what Magnus had attempted to explain, yet didn’t

@Leafia

@Yamikarp

Like, I feel scum would basically stall town’s discussion all D1 and then jump on Zorvo because there’s nobody else to vote. Which is why I’m suspicious of anybody who suggests Zorvo as a safe lynch.

Yeah. I think the players trying to focus on Zorvo are more likely to be evil.

@Jarek

A non-town open-claiming neutral that has the potential to side against town later on isn’t safe to you?

I guess we could take shots at suspicious people, sure. If you want to suggest some I’ll take a look but it’s really hard to find a reason to keep an open claiming neutral around when they’re anti-town.

We shouldn’t focus on Zorvo the entirety of D1 in any case.

Leafia is correct, but is also partially pointing out the obvious

@Magnus

@Frostwolf103

So let me get this straight: You support foreign powers and yet you also believe my view against the support? Isn’t it like conflicting like I mentioned earlier

I don’t think Frost understands my viewpoint. I’m saying I believe Zorvo’s being truthful about his current intentions, but I would expect him to play to his wincon over siding town if it comes down to it, and we shouldn’t make him lord for that reason.

Correct

@Leafia

Silviu has done very little solving if any and they’re coming across as super agreeable. So agreeable that it doesn’t seem real, like they’re just trying to fit in. Pretty sure Silviu is a wolf here.

VOTE: Silviu

Silviu is agreeable and friendly, yes.
But that’s just his personality. He always acts like this

@Frostwolf103

All right.

VOTE: Silviu

Frost follows up on it

@Leafia

Nope. I’m voting someone that I believe to be a wolf. You’re the one trying to deflect suspicion back onto me. Why can’t I just be a villager that looked over your iso and decided that you looked wolfy?

@Leafia

Analyze the showdown between Silviu and me and see what you think of it.

This is the person who blamed Jarek and Frost’s for Silviu’s execution.

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@Magnus

@Yamikarp

People already voting for me to be king. I’m honored.

@Yamikarp

I am still honored you thought about me first when deciding who to vote.

Afraid about appearing concerned about being voted, overcompensates and pretends they’re happy with it. One of the oldest tricks in the book.

@Yamikarp

Yeah, but actions are based on information. If we lynch a claimed neutral, those PRs have less info to act upon. Where’s the good in having a PR if they don’t know who to target?

@Yamikarp

Riddle me this. If Wazza is so sure Zorvo is the best lynch, why isn’t her vote on him?

@Yamikarp

Scummy. She keeps pushing the idea that we should lynch you which is an easy way for scum to appear active. Also apparently she doesn’t care about being voted until it gets serious? Sounds like she’s just ignoring her wagon hoping is falls apart on its own.

@Yamikarp

I was holding off because I’m still trying to decide if scum would stay way from your wagon or not. But she’s the best I got right now so sure VOTE: Wazza

This is the extent of Yamikarp’s solving today.
VOTE: Yamikarp.

@Yamikarp

I don’t consider myself a good mafia player, not even a decent one, but if you think I’m the player who has tried solving the least, I want some of whatever you’re smoking.

Yami and Magnus probabblyyyy aren’t scum together.

Magnus liked the post rather than viewing it as suspicious or something a member of the town would do.

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@Host_Account_5

Silviu200530 (4): Leafia, Frostwolf103, guavagudetama, Zorvo
Zorvo (3): Jarek, Ranta, thepigeonnyc
Wazza (1): Yamikarp
Yamikarp (1): Magnus
Leafia (1): Silviu200530

VC an hour and fifty minutes from EOD, likely meaning Jarek and Ranta are more focused on mechanics and solving then killing

@Leafia

@Frostwolf103

Silviu and Leafia are in thunderdome.

We’re not actually in a thunderdome but we are at it head to head it seems. Silviu isn’t even using logic either. Pure OMGUS.

It is rather strange Frost chose to frame it that way, yes

@Zorvo

You have a problem with me wanting town to win?

FUCKING DO YOU!!??

Aggressive for the sake of looking aggressive.

@Zorvo

I want town to win.

No neutral wants town to just win
If you did, you’d have baited and got yourself killed by the NK

@Zorvo

Wazza/Ranta/Pigeon/Silviu

I think Ranta is the most town in them but I still stand by this solve.

Interesting.

@Yamikarp

They’re hardly a thunderdome when Leafia has 1 vote.

Goes against what Frost said, logically

@Host_Account_5

Night 1 begins

@Host_Account_5

Nobody has died in the night!

@Magnus

That’s concerning.

A reaction that wouldn’t be seen as towny, made by Magnus in particular.

@Magnus

If I were evil, I wouldn’t have drawn attention to myself by kicking up a fuss like that yesterday.

I’m afraid you would
Neutral evil, Trickster in particular, loves drawing attention to themself.
And if you were a non-Luminary/CL, it still would be somewhat useful

@Zorvo

@Wazza

Meaning there’s a very good chance you RBed the killer

There’s no way tbh.

Incorrect, but Zorvo’s claiming neutral either way. They’d say this as any faction

@Magnus

Wazza, Guava, Kiiruma or Jarek.

I think Kiiruma has the best chance of passing.

@Magnus

Pigeon is usually executed early on for similar reasons, and as far as I’m aware his content actually looks alright.

Objectively correct

@Frostwolf103

This is why I said its a thunderdome, she is suppose to go down today.

The difference between what had happened and a dome is that you believe Leafia had bad intentions while pushing Silviu, rather then everyone realizing that one had to die after the other.

@Frostwolf103

Now you are trying to be cute, so your Day 2 opener is actually shit for townie, I am starting to think I am correct to put you and Silviu together

Its fucking 2AM in the morning and I am getting suspicious if I died but lo and behold I am not. But also for the very reason I am going to called bad, and yes its you Leafia. Who is now pretending she is the one who started Silviu wagon and her credit alone, calling me suspicious over ANYONE ELSE because there is no way there is no other wolf after me right?

Mildly towny.

@Wazza

While I as your role wouldn’t out, you’re the one who wants to “help town” yet your best opportunity to help town has arose and yet we ain’t seeing a thing.

Zorvo, of all people, would not out things that would mechanically go against what he wants, unless he’s pressured specifically and repeatedly into doing so
Zorvo seems to have taken a keen interest in following Magnus, however.

@Frostwolf103

You are mistaken, I am responsible for Silviu’s flip much as yours.

You and Silivu are info exe’s and that is what I intended to do.

Appreciated

@Leafia

@Frostwolf103

You are mistaken, I am responsible for Silviu’s flip much as yours.

You and Silivu are info exe’s and that is what I intended to do.

You’re the exe today and most likely to be wolf at this point snd I know that we hold equal responsibility for Silviu’s flip.

Frost says that Leafia is an information execution, somewhat likely to be scum, and that they both have equal responsibility for killing Silviu
Leafia says that Frost is the most likely wolf, and only after Frost claims they share equal responsibility, agrees

Frost seems the more towny out of the two.

@Kiiruma

You could also vote me for Lord!
I got myself some fancy blood.
Which I’m sure Zorvo would love to suck

Rather interesting

@Zorvo

Magnus is Neutral Evil pretty obviously to me and he is planning to have Leafia executed and Push you @Frostwolf103 tomorrow for wanting 2 townies to go over.

You’re just letting mafia step on you and I WILL NOT ALLOW IT.
I didn’t out myself day 1 for nothing, you will both vote Pigeon or Wazza and like it.

Neutral thinking they know more then town.

@Magnus

I think a few things point away from me being Neutral Evil, even today. For one thing, I wouldn’t have asked Zorvo whether or not I was bitten as NE.

You disproved your point by bringing it up.

@Kiiruma

VOTE: thepigeonnyc

Already discussed why I like this as a vote.
Plus if I don’t end up being a lord then I want this dead even more

Kiiruma’s posts have all felt somewhat Empty, at least to me.
I had read D1, but this didn’t stick out to me, and more sounded generic.

@Magnus

Yep. I was roleblocked last night btw.

I didn’t roleblock Magnus, for mechanical solving
I know this for certain

@Magnus

Pigeon because while he might be a weaker player, he seems to be making an effort and I can clearly see that in his posts.
Wazza because she seemed committed yesterday, had decent analysis on Leafia and Frost (even if I disagree with her townreads there), and only seems to be scumread by association with Pigeon.

Level 0 thinking.

This felt as if Magnus felt they drew overconfident, and proved, by their own words, weak reasoning

[quote=“Magnus, post:1400, topic:4157, full:true”]
I like these posts.

@thepigeonnyc

@Silviu200530

Also in Nightmare Woods you kinda started to pick me apart and exclusivelly see me from a negative light. Obvie you can’t read anyone like that
[/quote]

So looking through Silviu’s ISO, this stands out
Sounds like a wolf desperately trying to make it seem hard to wolfread
Not going to vote yet but hmmm
Gonna read Leafia’s ISO next

@thepigeonnyc

Leafia seems to be a fan of starting wagons, I’m worried that she might be wolfing pushing all the towns she can

Silviu seems like he might just be agreeable because that’s whar he’s like as a person
VOTE: Leafia for now

@thepigeonnyc

I still find it strange that Leafia jumped to voting Silviu from this

But I do think that until we get more mech info tonight, we should VOTE: Zorvo
If you’re wondering why I’ve changed my mind on Zorvo after saying I was okay with him townsiding, it’s that Wazza’s repeated mention of this being a mechanical game reminded me that we’ll have a lot of good investigation tonight

@thepigeonnyc

Should we snapwagon VOTE: Leafia? I think that’s a better execute than Silviu

@thepigeonnyc

Because I find Silviu to be townish and Leafia to be wolfish for reasons I have earlier stated

@thepigeonnyc

Shamam doesn’t even look like that good a role

My vote stays on you

Strange.

@Frostwolf103

@Magnus your lack of awareness is recognizable

They’re very aware of everything their doing, from them directly saying why they would do the things they’re doing as scum, to playing around readstates

@Frostwolf103

@Magnus

Rolefishing

Answer it.

@Magnus

No. I’m not scared of you.

Magnus is objectively correct.

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@Ranta

VOTE: Magnus

@Ranta

mech

@guavagudetama

VOTE: Ranta

@Ranta

mech?

@guavagudetama

I literally don’t know what you’re saying I just hate when people are asked to elaborate on something and then they don’t

@Ranta

I said mechanical info

@guavagudetama

oh okay

UNVOTE

VOTE: Ranta

what does that mean in this context though

@Ranta

@guavagudetama

oh okay

UNVOTE

VOTE: Ranta

what does that mean in this context though

It means that I have mechanical info to suggest magnus is wolf

guava, while seeming mostly correct for the majority of the argument, falls silent and doesn’t question what Ranta has on Magnus

I believe it’s towny.

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@Kiiruma

I think it’s probably safe to claim and we’re not exactly making progress, we keep going in circles.
So since I’m one of our lordship considerations, I am The Guildmaster who made a Bounty on Pigeon.

I’d like it if people don’t actively talk about it much so those who don’t read the thread might miss it.
But this is here for posterity sake.

Kiiruma had clearly had this claim in mind for the majority of D2, given they had mentioned their role and Pigeon’s execution closer to Daystart

@Frostwolf103

At any case I think Leafia lied about her claim so she can attack you and says she got shaman ability from you dying.

But someone definitely saved you. Assassin can also roleblock in addition of attacking you as effect.

I ask you kindly not to be stubborn and tell me what you intend to do with me.

Frost cannot prove this
But I believe his scumteam would’ve warned him various times about this

@Frostwolf103

Silviu is not a bad exe, its info exe regarding Zorvo’s vampire bite.

The bite had not been taken, at the time
The info was worthless.

[quote=“Magnus, post:1519, topic:4157, full:true”]
@Wazza

@Zorvo

@Magnus

Hey Zorvo, quick question: did you bite me last night?
[/quote]

No.
Cause your a prime NE candidate for me.

Wazza and Magnus strike me both as chatty
I assume they’d have discussed this in scumchat, given how little mech info was out, if they were teamed

@Kiiruma

Well damn, ok.
I guess there is a downside to this blood of mine.

I would believe Kiiruma would’ve extensively read everything to do with royal blood, if they thought something could happen to it

@Yamikarp

If Leafia v Silviu was TvT scum would try to stay out of it imo

I think so aswell, mhm

@guavagudetama

Yeah you said “I also don’t like Ranta” and I’m asking if you mean Ranta (the person, as in you think they’re scum) or Ranta (the wagon, as in you don’t like that I’m voting them)

guava chose to explain this rather than running for the hills and letting Yamikarp figure out what was obvious in around 10 seconds of thinking

@Jarek

Is there any downside to kiiruma saying what their original role was

Kiiruma had already claimed, at this point
Worth noting that scum would’ve likely told eachother

@Kiiruma

Let’s fucking go bb.
As your King I can declare that if there is a baron they can get fucked because you no longer can guess me

Kiiruma getting lord lends credence to their Blue Blood claim
But I didn’t see much other people offering alternatives to him

@Leafia

@Magnus

VOTE: Leafia.

I do think Leafia’s claim is the only reason I paused to vote her yesterday, but it’s not like Shaman’s the hardest fakeclaim in the world.

Please start using logic Magnus.

Instead of countering Magnus’ point, Leafia calls them wrong.

@Leafia

It obviously isn’t me

@Caspore

I finally caught up!

so Leafia thought Magnus was gonna die n1 and then casted the ability on him, but they’ve been in contention from the start and now they’re in disagreement over Silviu’s execution. If Magnus was a wolf and wanted Leafia’s trust, this would be a weird thing for him to do?

So I think Magnus is town? And Leafia seems to be as well, unless they’re both wolves and concocted a plan or something. I think they’re at the very least both on the same team, whether that be town or evil.

Though one thing that puzzles me Leafia said Silviu was too agreeable to be town for townreading Magnus. Is it that weird? I got the impression a lot of people were townreading Magnus. Also maybe it’s just because I witnessed a similar thing with a player named Flygon in my first round here, but Silviu having a meltdown at being the wagon seemed towny to me. I wish I was around to steer away the suspicion.

(Tangentially related, I can sorta get why Magnus voted me, but I don’t really get why Leafia joined in on voting me. It’s not a big deal though, I’m just a bit confused.)

My slot asked a few questions, but didn’t really explain or tell too much.

@Jarek

I’m the butler and I used it on them, I’m roleblock immune so I definitely didn’t get stopped

@Zorvo

highest wolf equity with Pigeon.

This is one of Zorvo’s main points against Magnus, which I doubt he would push as hard against them if he knew Pigeon’s alignment

@Ranta

@Zorvo

How does it not?

You stated you town read Magnus.
Then you say you think they might be wolf and vote them.
Then you say you want an ally chat with Magnus to tell them something.

I townread Magnus
I had mech info come up that might suggest they are a wolf.
I asked for private chat to give info privately, to see if its valid without forcing us to claim publicly.

Decent reasoning, considering allies isn’t too useful otherwise

@Magnus

Leafia’s probably bad, but there’s room for error on that read.

@Magnus

I’m okay with pushing Yamikarp first.

Strange, somewhat unexplained reads

@Magnus

It would be interesting if I claimed roleblocked as the killer/converter, but I think at this point it’s more likely I’m just good.

I should explain
The marq could’ve roleblocked you, and you’d know this as various, evil roles, including, I believe, some NE
I feel its still decently likely Magnus was rbed, and was the killer/converter, or NE, figured it out, and claimed it so the Marq didn’t out them later, or another roleblocker of a similar sort

VOTE: Magnus

[Wingman]

I have little idea, I’m afraid.

[Wingman]

I had planned to make a readlist before posting that, but

Four kills?

[Wingman]

That is five.

[Kiiruma]

Excuse me what the fuck is this