Chair of Deception 2 - Game Thread - GAME OVER - UNSHACKLED AND TRICKSTER WIN

[Magnus]

I don’t blame you.

[Magnus]

Now that I’m looking at Garfooled’s ISO, their reads haven’t been the most clear.

Garfooled’s read-related posts

@Garfooled

This makes Leafia look good imo. Or they can be overcompensating to look innocent.

@Garfooled

This is fair… At this point I think Creature is too pushy to not be a good role. Don’t quote me on that later though when I turn out to be dead wrong.

@Garfooled

I got bad vibes from Frost but idk why

@Garfooled

Uh… I’ll have to get back to you on that. I have no idea and I barely have anything on them in my notes. I said “idk why” so don’t expect much

@Garfooled

This needs to be explained more because on it’s own it looks fishy. But I’m getting town vibes from Ranta anyways.

@Garfooled

I’m gonna say something crazy… I was asleep for EoD but when I read back it looked so much like TownvsTown, I wanna vote Leafia for Lord

@Garfooled

I read Ranta as town. I don’t know how you don’t. The fact that they have a mechanic that would be useful to share with Kiimura is proof enough for me.

@Garfooled

Also how the heck did the FrostvMagnus conflict end so soon? Like all of the sudden they’re cool now? Just cus of an unconfirmed assassin thing? Could’ve been set up in scum chat imo

@Garfooled

One thing I could agree on is that Yami would be a good info lynch but at the same time we should hear them out and did they even claim to be RB’d?

@Garfooled

It’s just a lot of asking others what to do. And that they’re bored. So I guess they’re null but also the tiniest bit scum because they haven’t got reads of their own. It’s that or they just haven’t bothered reading.

@Garfooled

What do u guys think of Magnus and Yami team?

@Garfooled

Y’see this is making Magnus look even worse to me

@Garfooled

I think at the moment I’m ok with either a Magnus or Yami vote. For now.

@Garfooled

Do we work with what info we’ve got or do we RNG the in-active players? When we do have some suspicion on those that can be pressured.

@Garfooled could you outline your current thoughts on everyone alive?

[Garfooled]

@Magnus

@Garfooled could you outline your current thoughts on everyone alive?

I’ll get to it hopefully soon. This feels like homework being assigned to me— but I signed up for this

@Garfooled

Y’see this is making Magnus look even worse to me

But this right here, you didn’t elaborate much on this and that discredits me to those who only look back on your post. The reason why u looked worse was that you were downplaying the threat town is currently in. Saying that conversion happens n4 doesn’t change the fact that we are losing majority soon.

What I was implying when I said

@Garfooled

Conversion is a thing, this could be bussing right?

is that throwing someone under the bus wouldn’t be the end of the world. Just explaining my thought process.

[Garfooled]

I can be confusing if I don’t clarify things. I’m realizing that now, I’m not surprised, I’m often the one causing misunderstandings in general life stuffs.

[Garfooled]

I bet you’d be proud to know I’m using background music from HK to do this.

[Garfooled]

Decided to start now since I unwisely drank coffee and am jittery from it.

[Magnus]

@Garfooled

But this right here, you didn’t elaborate much on this and that discredits me to those who only look back on your post.

I didn’t elaborate on any of your posts, I don’t think. I was quoting the posts where you outwardly expressed your opinion, and you saying I was looking worse for you counts. I wasn’t actually sure what ‘this’ was…

@Garfooled

The reason why u looked worse was that you were downplaying the threat town is currently in.

See here, I’m not really one for doomerposting. You may or may not know this, but town on this site has a tendency to lose… more or less every game. I’m more or less resigned to this fact, so I don’t bother wasting posts on it. Call it strange, but I think it’s worse for town morale if one draws attention to the numbers.

@Garfooled

Saying that conversion happens n4 doesn’t change the fact that we are losing majority soon.

I’m not sure where I implied otherwise. Zorvo townsiding makes today 7v3, and 5v3 tomorrow with a forced execution because conversion.

Nonetheless, I wasn’t really criticising the posts I quoted, I’m just pointing out how few there are. I just wanted an orderly list from you. Are you having fun here? I hope you are.

[Garfooled]

@Magnus

I wasn’t really criticising the posts I quoted, I’m just pointing out how few there are. I just wanted an orderly list from you. Are you having fun here?

Fair enough, and if that’s actual concern (cus I can’t tell over the interwebs if it’s genuine or not), I am having fun, and I appreciate it.

I took it as criticism because I am jittery and sleep deprived lol and because now that suspicion has been thrown hard on you I’m also paranoid.

@Magnus

You may or may not know this, but town on this site has a tendency to lose

I was told this, I panicked and you didn’t. I found that weird. Wingman over there was aware of the predicament we were in and you weren’t too concerned from my perspective. But that might be NAI on your end but I don’t know that for sure, and I’m not about to pour over masses of text from your last games when your playstyle might’ve been changed to find out.

@Magnus

and you saying I was looking worse for you counts. I wasn’t actually sure what ‘this’ was…

Another misunderstanding. I thought it was criticism.

[Magnus]

How much experience with Forum Mafia have you had, by the way?

[Garfooled]

I only have experience with Discord Mafia games and I haven’t played those in years. and I mean yearssss

(Seth was prolly rlly rlly searching the friendslist for ppl to fill slots)

[Garfooled]

Here is my first read I guess… (reading in the order that names show up when you click the “show votes” button)
I’m excluding a few people because I feel like it’s obvious what I feel about them.

[Garfooled]

@Wazza

who the fuck would counterclaim a strigoi claim??

-I gotta agree with this, who would counterclaim any neutral space? It’s to most of their benefit to stay out of the radar. I think it might be convenient for Zorvo to take advantage of this. Frost suggested the Marl fakaclaim from the Trials and Tribulation might be a thing.

@Frostwolf103

a world exists that Zorvo is lying about his own mechanics, there is no telling if the roleblock is coming from Strigoi or groupscum.

@Wazza

Your goal is to wittle down numbers of the town and have half the people infected by the end.

Your role makes people immune to protection which is incredibly shit for everyone else that isn’t you.

You roleblock people as well which is also bad for town half the time especially on N1.

-I think from the passion alone and the way they format their sentences, they can be trusted here.

@Yamikarp

Scummy. She keeps pushing the idea that we should lynch you which is an easy way for scum to appear active.

-It feels important to note that Yami felt like Wazza was scummy for pushing a neutral when they felt genuine to me in the post above.

@Wazza

@Zorvo just remember that if you’re trying to bite tactically for us that it won’t work out well for you

-I think it’s working out great for them at the moment. Town needs them and evils probably don’t see them as a threat.

@Wazza

that’s not a thunderdome? That’s just two players voting each other

-The deescalation of the “thunderdome” looks good in hindsight now that we know for sure both Frost and Leafia are town.

@Wazza

Creature , nothing although do want to point out their read on me that just disappeared because I wasn’t another person was interesting enough, also find it quite odd they wanted to keep their vote on me yesterday for like no reason

-Also felt important to point out. This is a good point. So they might’ve posted more if Wazza was who they thought they were? Are they really afk?

@Wazza

Prioritising healing Jarek if there’s any hearlers and he’s bled, I’m not important mech wise at all LMAO

-Unless they’re faking being bled, they’re being self-sacrificial which looks good on them.

@Wazza

Alright I’m reading this up a little but now I also think Caitlin is starting evil and specifically not Luminary

-I need an elaboration on this.

@Host_Account_5

N2 - My pigeon now, I tell Caitlin she violated the law

-I’m also confused on what any of this means tbh. If someone has like… a quick explanation so I don’t have to look it up…?

@Wazza

Unless Zorvo lied

-It’s possible (although they were really going hard on town siding early game. Their enthusiasm about it lowered imo the more the game went on). There are also 2 possible Neutral slots.

@Wazza

Assassin DID NOT kill Jarek, at least not using opportunism, I would’ve learnt they visited

-The amount of info they’re giving out is useful. I might be blindly trusting but the increased word count because of their night abilities makes perfect sense to me if they’re town. (It coincides with their earlier explanation as to why they won’t do as much as social solving as others.)

[Magnus]

@Wazza

Alright I’m reading this up a little but now I also think Caitlin is starting evil and specifically not Luminary

How did everyone miss this?

[Garfooled]

No fecking idea.

[Garfooled]

Urgh stop me I’m reading too much into every single sentence.

[Magnus]

No. Keep going.

[Garfooled]

I feel like I’m tinfoiling with this one, but something is better than nothing right?

[Garfooled]

@Gorta

oh ok, but still I trust we could possibly get a luminary out before then

-I wish I had that confidence. Where the heck is it coming from? Especially when ur not posting as much as the others. (Playing devil’s advocate but is it confidence or is it a lack of concern as a neutral?)

@Gorta

basically let’s lock someone we greatly think is town and is a very strong town player into being town for the rest of the game by voting them king

-This alone is fair but the previous posts about this are about kinging someone who is likely to get converted. I don’t think we’re organized enough as town from D1 to prevent that convert.

@Silviu200530

Do we compromise with Zorvo to control him to roleblock someone for 2 days?

N O

-This is too good. I like this post for its dramaticism, doesn’t feel fake. (Dunno if it would have to be faked from evils but being this open and vehement about it sounds like a towny thing to do.)

@Gorta

so leafia and silviu are in a thunderdome

-Not trying to deescalate the situation like Wazza tried to do earlier. They’re putting more attention on it. Could be that they’re not concerned about the result of this which again gives me Neutral vibes or a town with low motivation to win.

@Gorta

I’m not super certain, but if silviu is a wolf than either leafia or zorvo would have to be the other from what I read in Silviu’s ISO

-Are you saying that LeafiavSilviu looked like SvS to you? Now you’ve gotta explain that.

@Gorta

so we voting silviu if we aren’t voting Zorvo?

-This to me looks like either they wanna get off scot-free getting a lynch onSilviu or they’re not too troubled about the outcome either way.

@Gorta

ok, so you can say that marquess could account for the lack of one death, but where is the other?

-Quick thought but it might be that Marquess executed the person they had N1 (Since there weren’t any kills D1) I don’t know why they would risk it N2 though, what would make them so certain this early on? (back when we didn’t have 5 kills thinning our numbers)

@Gorta

anyone he bites he hard defends, so he could very easily wolf side by the end

-Yes. Not only that, they’re encouraged to throw out anyone but whoever they’ve bitten. Even if they bit on both sides, then they’re encouraged not to vote at all.

@Gorta

also Leafia does feel bad and if it is unshackled then Leafia’s comment on d1 was TMI

-Pulling a “no u” card and then calling the TMI accusation a bigger deal than the conflict with Frost (about rbing 2 scum members). I’d say the FrostvLeafia conflict was a bigger ordeal and Gorta is the unknown now that Leafa and Frost are dead.

@Gorta

why is Yami defending a claimed noot on d1 so hard?

-Good question. I agreed with them to a point but then I thought about the fact that we would have more mechanic information D2 so it seemed weird to take a risk on Silviu D1.

@Gorta

Like the posts just don’t seem natural because said posts look like they have an exact purpose and it’s not solving in the slightest

-Okay but most of your solving was because you felt defensive about Leafia’s non-lethal TMI accusation. I’m not sure if they even voted you once.

@Gorta

hold on, does unshackled have n1 kp?

-If they’re scum I think they’re neutral. Or they’re faking ignorance here to make up for Leafia’s accusation of TMI early on.

@Gorta

cool, I’m a role that roleblocked Magnus n1

-This feels out of nowhere. Whaaaaaa— and then they’re GONE!

[Wazza]

@Garfooled

-Unless they’re faking being bled, they’re being self-sacrificial which looks good on them.

It was more because I was going to self-heal tonight to remove the bleed but then Jarek and Zorvo were insistent I get healed first so I trusted in there being other healers and went on Jarek.

@Garfooled

-I need an elaboration on this.

I don’t know if I did explain this or not, but I’ll explain it now

Frost chose Caitlin two nights in a row meaning Frost placed protection onto Caitlin for N2, because of this we run into the potential idea of Caitlin being attacked, what I think might’ve happened is Caitlin got attacked while being protected by Guava using Stitch Doll which caused Caitlin to be attacked but then protected by Frost so Frost was then killed instead.

In this world, Magnus is Town and Caitlin is scum instead. I’m pretty sure it’s just a crackpot theory though.

@Garfooled

-I’m also confused on what any of this means tbh. If someone has like… a quick explanation so I don’t have to look it up…?

Ignore my entire thing up top, I’ve realised what it is.

Frost was Squire, not Knight, holy shit

This is all in Frosts will:

@Host_Account_5

Random Azure Dragoon - Frostwolf103 (Squire)

@Host_Account_5

N1 - Caitlin (She visits or visits by someone YES)

(Squires only action without remembering)

@Host_Account_5

N2 - My pigeon now, I tell Caitlin she violated the law

My pigeon now - Remembering Pigeons role
I tell Caitlin she violated the law - Using action on Caitlin

Meaning Caitlin wasn’t protected by Frost but instead had their immunities removed

[Zorvo]

@Magnus

@Wingman

I had possibly figured guava was a backup convert, since both evil roles choose two incase the former fails
Which would lend credence to Magnus being good and imprisoned n1

Are you suggesting I was the convert target?
Cool.

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This is so fucking LAMIST and purposely out of context by Magnus.
I think this is a wolfy post by Magnus.

Magnus should know it was referring to wolf buddy.

Magnus trying to go “I’m Townie” all game is in his wolf meta.