Chair of Deception 2 - Game Thread - GAME OVER - UNSHACKLED AND TRICKSTER WIN

[Jarek]

Anyway moving on from the neut situation I think I can townread guav for voting me right now, I think an evil right now wouldn’t be looking to draw the attention of someone who up until this point has been quite strongly enforcing their opinions.

[Zorvo]

Town will win this entire month, I can make sure that while I’m alive, wolves will not win and my bites will be on town.

[Jarek]

@Zorvo

I will not do this.
I want a month of town victory.

I can’t count on 2 hands how many times someone told me this then backstabbed me at the end.

[Jarek]

If you want me to trust you and for you to live then I’d back down from going for King. If the prince wants to kill you and deal with you they can and probably should do it

[Silviu200530]

I can definetly see where you’re coming from.

[Jarek]

You know last game I played I stepped for king as a watcher.

I’m not that stupid this time

[Silviu200530]

In Town of Salem you can get the neutrals to side with you if you speak with them beforehand by whispering. Here you can’t do something like that.

[Jarek]

I’d 100 percent step as the prince just because I could though.

[Silviu200530]

Excitement takes many people’s heads

[Jarek]

It wasn’t excitement, it was the fact I was pretty proveable with it

[guavagudetama]

@thepigeonnyc

@guavagudetama

I would also say evil would be scared to push Zorvo

Then why do you continue to vote Jarek?

So what I actually said was

@guavagudetama

I would also say evil would be scared to push Zorvo if I was evil pushing Zorvo

Implying that I think he’s evil saying that evil would be scared to do what he is doing
Thanks for reading the full sentence!

[Silviu200530]

I also wanted to be the king but I can’t because my role is useful (baiting evils to kill me ) (but also baiting evils to not kill me by being self-aware )

[Gorta]

@Frostwolf103

It’s Leafia.

I see, I didn’t see the complete context earlier

[Jarek]

@guavagudetama

Implying that I think he’s evil saying that evil would be scared to do what he is doing

The old double bluff. I see.

I don’t even disagree, it’s a good strat to say evils would be scared to do what an evil is actually doing, but it’s not the case.

So do you want the neutral to be kept around and be king or not, I’m curious.

[guavagudetama]

@Jarek

@guavagudetama

It doesn’t make any sense because town also wants to be on the good side of the neutral

It’s purely emotional even if it’s not logical - I’m not rubbing the ego of the neutral just for randing neutral just in hopes they side with me. I absolutely hate that in games. “omg town helped u so much pls side with us omg pls pls!!!” absolutely not. If you want a win, you can work for it.

That’s fair I suppose
I’m not trying to stroke Zorvo’s ego (hard to avoid sometimes) but my town reads have never been the greatest so having someone I know is, at least not evil, is a good vote to me

@Jarek

@guavagudetama

I would also say evil would be scared to push Zorvo if I was evil pushing Zorvo methinks

Also fair but I don’t know whose evil and everyone plays it differently

That’s fair, I am not you
I’m just trying to reason why you would say this in the world you are evil, I don’t think that that’s a smoking gun

[Jarek]

@guavagudetama

I’m not trying to stroke Zorvo’s ego (hard to avoid sometimes) but my town reads have never been the greatest so having someone I know is, at least not evil, is a good vote to me

It’s hard for me to word this properly but it’s not neccessarily an ego thing it’s more like…I don’t know. Hard to explain. Begging the neut to side with you when you already have the majority and don’t need them to help you just in hopes they help you later I guess? It’s just weird, happens all too often in games like this, and backfires more often than not.

@guavagudetama

I’m just trying to reason why you would say this in the world you are evil, I don’t think that that’s a smoking gun

Maybe you’re looking for a reason that isn’t there?

[Ranta]

@Ranta

I still think it is better to lynch

1. We do not know if he is actually a neut. He could be NE or group wolf claiming. This does not necessary have high likelihood of happening, but it is still something to keep in mind.
2. The way role itself works is anti-town. If we tell him to roleblock people we think are wolfy. Then those are going to be his targets that he needs to see survive and by doing this he will be mechanically forced to side against us.
   Now we could make him roleblock people we think are towny. But I think that is mechanically going to hurt us more in the long run, because roleblocking and removing protections from townies for the whole game is not really worth it for 1 extra vote.
3. Even if we do the latter strategy they can still be put in position where they mechanically will want to side with scum. For example in endgame there can be situation where ending game immediately by voting out town can be more beneficial than prolonging game for several phases by siding with town.

Can someone who wants neut alive explain why they think this is wrong.

[Gorta]

I’ll take a closer look at leafia before the day ends also when is the deadline for voting the king?

[Jarek]

We vote tommorow for a king not today

[guavagudetama]

@Ranta

• Now we could make him roleblock people we think are towny. But I think that is mechanically going to hurt us more in the long run, because roleblocking and removing protections from townies for the whole game is not really worth it for 1 extra vote.
• Even if we do the latter strategy they can still be put in position where they mechanically will want to side with scum. For example in endgame there can be situation where ending game immediately by voting out town can be more beneficial than prolonging game for several phases by siding with town.

Firstly thank you for speaking unlike our previous game together
Anyway
If Zorvo does that I simply will never trust him again
Like I will hold a grudge against him for the rest of time
And also you can blame me for the loss if that happens
But I really do not think he is going to do that