i wouldnt go to an ivy if I had the opportunity now because I dont care that much about a great education or a future career over things like Fun and Friends. but they are absolutely worth it lol
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Consider: people drop out because theyâre inferior compared to these best of the best people
According to my dad
like I can safely say that I wouldnât be half the electrical engineer I am today if I went to, like, Michigan Tech instead of U of M
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it would actually not even be close
my dad and I share the same first and last name (i have not legally changed my name yet and am waiting until i get married to do so to avoid doing it more than once), and some of his mail was forwarded to me by mistake. i get hillsdale college bullshit like once a month and it makes me angry every time. i think i could email them to get them to cut it the fuck out or whatever, but i genuinely cannot stomach doing so.
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Also too expensive
I get emails from Colorado Christian
actually ivies and the like tend to be cheaper for low-income students
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how do you know this wasnât due to the resources and connections
If my mom knew sheâd probably tell me to go there
youâre insane if you donât consider that part of the education
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Damn ok
this seems wrong? like, for any given school, there are direct benefits to the people who attend it, and (to a lesser extent) to the staff who work there (since even if their jobs suck theyâre still getting paid), and then indirect benefits to Society As A Whole of having people be educated.
I expect the societal benefits are basically exclusively going to depend on how good the school is? so if your take is that charter schools arenât much/significantly better than district schools (as youâve said during this conversation â Iâm not clear on whether this is what you actually believe) then weâd expect the societal benefits to be ~comparable and ~similarly widely-reaching (unless you have reason to think that any particular schooling model makes people Inherently More Or Less Likely To Help Others, which I guess could theoretically be true). if you think charter schools are actively worse at educating students than district schools then that could obviously affect societal benefits (fwiw, I do think that charter schools that particularly suck should be closed down).
I guess technically you could argue that charter schools provide less direct benefit to individual students because they have a lower population but that seems obviously silly (like by that argument all small schools would be bad) so I assume youâre not arguing that
charter school students donât exist in a bubble outside of society, they go back into the same society as everyone else
looked it up and it just seems so expensive after aid idk
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yeah my parents are both in education, my mother in particular in a district with generally lower SES than our hometown, and the very few low SES kids that have gotten into these schools generally find them much cheaper than any option that isnât low enough to be giving them a full ride
Yeah
Itâs also Christian
âŚyeah
i think thats pretty obvious by the fact i cant remember what i ate two days ago
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right but public schools are, by their nature, public, and generally have to take everybody (with exceptions, but in general)
charter schools are not, they can preference students based on specific factors and often have blind lotteries to determine final enrollment
dollar for dollar helping a public school district will positively impact more people than a charter school
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then you factor in the fact that kids attending charters means they arenât attending ISDs, which affects their funding, and in all itâs hard to argue that the cost to society is anything but expensive