indeed
usually im solo when it comes to things like this
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most of my characters are not nerds although one of the characters Iâm playing is based on a real historical figure from late-1400s Italy whoâs related to my favorite heretic so I think that could fairly be characterized as ânerd shitâ
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tell me who i need to learn
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i like the artistic representation of the forumâs interface. it looks like a 6th grader making a botched attempt at HTML for their IT homework. it gives me the feeling of learning; striving to improve, growing up
i love learning so much chat
i enjoy expanding my knowledge of the world
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Antonmaria/Antonio Maria Pico della Mirandola, the guy heâs related to that I like is Giovanni Pico della Mirandola
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âŚoh those are just real people
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described as proto-protestant
oh yeah his writing will be peak
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also knowing information about what people actually like/dislike instead of a façade that helps nobody is fun
learning about other people is probably my favourite informational field, especially when i can talk to them
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what did you think âreal historical figure from late-1400s Italyâ meant. did you think it was a fake real person
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imo this is a bad way to characterize him but Protestants keep saying it anyway because heâs cool and they want to claim him for their side
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perhaps it would be more fair to refer to AI art as AI images
regardless itâs a net positive
I also donât foresee calamity with the âjobs will be lostâ argument because they wonât
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Okay, I see. When Iâm talking about âAI artâ I am referring to specifically generative AI that produces an output from a prompt. You cannot make adjustments to a prompt and get out minor variations. Using another AI tool that is designed to make minor adjustments is not what I was referring to. However, the generative AI component is fruit of the poisoned tree in my view, but I digress.
I donât consider all use of AI to be bad. The Spider-verse films used AI to color scenes with lineart to help with production, but they trained it solely using their existing work. I think thatâs completely fine and thereâs no ethical issues. It doesnât really diminish the artistic expression because itâs mostly painting by numbers, and the artistry is still almost entirely in the work done by people.
Anyway, I likely just see all this from a different perspective because the people I follow are by and large in the anti-AI camp. Every time it comes up itâs because an artist I follow or have heard about is clearly getting their art ripped off and monetized by someone else who is putting in a fraction of the time. Itâs frankly hard for me to rational about (even though I try to be) because I mostly see the material harms it does. The people youâre referring to may spend more time than this from start to finish, but only working on something for an hour and a half is like nothing. Itâs not that art has to take a long time to be art, but itâs more that most art that we look at and are like âwow thatâs goodâ took ten times as long to complete. Sometimes it takes that long to get the composition and line art figured out for a digital painting. If youâre working on canvas then it could be a lot longer doing sketches and test runs, and sometimes you have to do the whole thing multiple times because a painting is only so fixable at times. Something that shortcuts all that process where it spits out an image thatâs coherent seeming and then touches it up still skipped out on so much of the process that gives it meaning. Itâs fundamentally untrustable because you donât know what was an intentional choice and what came about through the stochastic denoising.
My father made watercolor paintings primarily as a hobby, and still does in retirement. I think his best work is one that depicts a Japanese bird on a wicker chest. The part that makes a great piece of artwork are all of the details, the small decisions made throughout it. The bird is jumping in what seems to be surprise. You follow its eyes to an alarm clock lifting into the air ringing. You think thatâs what it was jumping at. But if you pay attention to the time on the clock, itâs when the bomb went off in Hiroshima. If you pay attention to the shadows on the wall, youâd notice that itâs communicating a very bright light out of frame. When the bomb dropped in real life, shadows seemed to be burned into walls. Itâs subtle and hard to understand what itâs saying without being told, but itâs so cool to look at it and understand what itâs actually depicting, and it recontectualizes it. The bird is jumping in surprise not because of an alarm clock, but because an atomic bomb has just detonated. The intense shadows on the otherwise blank wall are about to be burned into them, memorializing the bird and the alarm clock that will be destroyed in seconds. Itâs melancholic and probably too subtle for its own good, but if you really paid attention to its details and asked what was the artist trying to communicate through the painting, you would have an answer. You could understand why everything in the painting was where it was.
Generative AI produces images with composition and lighting based on probability or a vanishingly small data set. It does not understand or have any sense of how to arrange things and create lines to draw a viewerâs eye to certain details. If it does so, itâs because there was a human artist who understood that and there was a dice roll that decided to include it in the output. Yes, you can try to add some of this stuff afterwards with other tools, but youâre, in the most charitable sense, ascribing meaning to chaos. Emphasizing the pattern you could spot in the noise. Thatâs just not the same kind of artistic expression to me, and the actual toll that these tools take on the people responsible for it even being possible makes me want to throw all of it out.
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well they will but new jobs using the same skillset will be created
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thereâs a screenshot from his writing that I use to show people why heâs cool but it uh. Definitely touches on religion in a way thatâs probably prohibited by the rules of the forum. 
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i read all of this and i agree nbowie is so smart and i love her so much 
(nbowie do u wanna by my girlfriend? 
)
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ow i think i cut my gums with a spoon
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aret aret are you religious?
tutuu tutuu this is a private question
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how did you manage that? useless?