Been there done that
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i wanna write a story about Utuu - a guy who is very funny, liked, and brave. although he faces many obstacles, he overcomes them all despite his young age. he is courageous, kind and understanding. he likes roleplaying as anime girls. he never gives up and always wins
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There may or may not be a distinction. It depends. At some point this topic is going to come up when I can sit down and actually go through all the things youāre referencing, and really look at them, but I keep meaning to put my phone down because itās late anyway. Iāve looked at some of the images, but not the ones that go deep into the process which seem like the more important ones for this discussion.
Anyway I have also done digital art. I still do it occasionally from time to time. I also have sketchpads in the house, and have drawn ever since I was child because I saw my dad making paintings and thought it was cool. I have gone to art shows since I was a literal child and would walk around from stand to stand to see all different kinds of art people would put together and the people who would make them. I also understand the tedium of adding a detail and regretting it as you have to replicate it over and over again and wishing you had just done something simpler. I have literal books about illustration and I even took an art class in college once for fun. You certainly may have more experience than me doing digital art, but I feel like I have more experience with this than you think I do.
But yes I do primarily focus on the text-to-image generative AI tools with my criticisms because I think itās the most offensive. Using a tool to remove a flamingo and filling in the background may have its own ethical issues regarding the training, but doing that in and of itself is pretty benign to me. Like I said, I have no problem with the artists who worked on Spiderverse using AI trained on their own work to reduce the tedious parts of the process. Not all use of AI is bad, thatās why I focus on the worst use of it. I still am probably not going to like art that started with an image generated by AI because, as I said before, itās fruit of the poisonous tree, tainted from its inception.
I cannot tonight, but I will look through the stuff youāre linking at some point and try to do so with an open mind. Itās not going to be tonight, but I will try to find the time and energy to give it due consideration.
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And thus tutuu begins the cringe roleplaying/fanfic phase: āme but perfectā
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i have opinions on this but theyre agreeable and add nothing to the conversation. Have fun
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And IDK like this is the stuff I think is cool. This can help people in a lot of really nice ways:
It can help traditional artists speed up their workflow and be less restricted by the raw amount of time you have to toss into the ārendering individual chainlinksā machine
It can help disabled people without fine motor control/ability to hold a pencil/ability to draw for long periods of time to still create the kinds of images they want
It just flat-out lowers the skill barrier to entry of art, you have to spend less time learning to create ātechnically impressiveā things (This is an objectively good thing that people present as a bad one. Itās good when things are easier. Digital art massively lowered the barrier for entry to art, this was good but controversial at the time.)
Like, AI doesnāt just replace artists where they already exist. Thereās a lot of indie game developers out there who canāt draw and canāt afford to hire an artist: they can more easily make assets for their games that match their vision. Thereās a lot of people who have a mind for lighting and composition and colour choices who for whatever reason canāt do the Skilled Hand Motions for art, and now they can create art.
Making things easier and faster doesnāt Degrade Artistic Value, high-effort traditional art isnāt gone, but having a mass-produced option is awesome! 3D printing produces lower quality plastic objects but it means anybody can do it without a bunch of upfront time investment and money investment. Still good
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noooo! not truee! Utuu has many flaws. for instance, he doesnāt immediately succeed at everything, and he takes the time to learn from the experience and overcome the problem!
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Oh, and to be clear, I wasnāt saying you donāt have experience with art, just that it felt like you were treating me like I didnāt, when this is, like, the only job Iāve ever been able to have. I wanted to explain where I was coming from there.
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A āprompt engineerā is again doing fundamentally less work or else this whole endeavor does not make sense. Itās only economically viable if it reduces the cost of labor. If this results in an increase in supply, it will decrease the demand and lower the value. Also if itās cheaper to produce, that lowers the barrier of entry for other people. That isnāt necessarily a bad thing, but it does mean the market will be oversaturated and most of it is going to be mediocre at best because 90% of everything we make as a species is mediocre at best. Thereās already too much good art to consume. Having a more mediocre bullshit to wade through is not really a good thing.
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And I think thatās basically where we differ. I think making art more readily accessible is Good, Actually, and I donāt care if it means thereās more mediocre bullshit on the market, because I think it also means thereās more good shit on the market
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u guys say what u want but im opening Krita AI right now to generate my girlfriend Sarah. i will make her very hot. you cant stop me.
i mean im the kinda guy to go to a massive convention, walk through the entirety of artist alley, and only have a single artist catch my eye as something I would actually want to like, own
so I mean thereās already so much of what I would consider to be ānot good shitā that diluting the pool in general is definitely annoying
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increasing the amount of mediocre bullshit seems ~basically neutral
like if I posted a mediocre drawing I made with my literal physical hands holding a literal physical pencil, as I sometimes do, that seems fine?
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I donāt think anybody has the right to exclusivity on supply of a thing if a better technology exists to carete more of it, I think itās better for humanity for it to be easier to make things of value. And even the shittiest mediocre AI images have value to the people making them, thatās why theyāremaking them. The consequences of this are certainly very damaging in many cases but I donāt think they outweigh the benefit of just being able to create more. Mass production is cool rip to your jobs but thatās a society problem not a technology problem
you arenāt single-handedly churning out enough of such art to actually affect findability
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AI can
big big difference in terms of scale
And I think I view art as a bit more, like, utilitarian (in the colloquial sense) than most people because my experience is in, like, creating very commercialised game assets. Itās not a Divine Soul Communication Thing sometimes people just want to make pictures they like.
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idk
I completely agree the market will get saturated and that a lot of it will be shit
but a ton of good too imo
for me the review, filter & other sorts of systems we have to wade through content is good enough
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Consider the following:
Self insert oc type story that is at first glance a āme but betterā self insert
The story is actually about how āme but betterā is very unlikely to actually solve self esteem and depression issues (especially if those things are āI am smarter, stronger, hotter, and have 5 women around me at all timesā or other such āI would not hate myself if I just had these traits (these traits will not fix your underlying issues)ā things
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