Are either Sailor Moon and Gurren Lagaan in the public domain because that’s absolutely Usagi of Sailor Moon wearing Kamina’s glasses from Gurren Lagaan
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good philosophical way of viewing it. honestly, i wouldnt accuse ai artists of stealing from other people. i could accuse them for stealing from the AI. like, the AI arguably put in most of the legwork. although we dont respect them like sentient species. but i can see myself respecting them as such, i like to think of myself as tolerant. i could respect them
Is fanart copyright infringement
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Yes but they work fundamentally differently even if a neural network is modeled on brains.
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It doesn’t mean images of Sailor Moon were necessarily in the training data, you can ask for “a blonde woman wearing a sailor uniform”, and you can also prompt with image-to-image by essentialyl holding up an external reference picture next to the thing which could have been done here
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And you can get images that get so close with careful finetuning: her hair’s wrong, select her hair and go “change the hairstyle to this”, her bow’s wrong, select the bow and go “change the bow to this” - it’s why I find fanart so impressive in the first place
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Strictly speaking yes it’s a derivative work and copyright infringement lol. Most creators choose not to sue their fans because it’s not worth their time, but they could. The important thing is it cannot be considered part of the public domain because it’s a derivative work of something not in the public domain.
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Oh I know it’s legally copyright infringement I was just like “are you seriously arguing that fanart is in any way unethical”
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I did not say “every output is public domain” I said “trained off of public domain images”
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Those are two very different things!
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And again even outside of this Adobe Firefly exists and is based off of Adobe Stock library. Is that poisoned?
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To be clear, you were saying that artist used models only with art in the public domain and neither Sailor Moon nor Gurren Lagaan is in the public domain. I love fan art and don’t take issue with anyone making it, but if someone is only using AI tools to make artwork and they arrived at Sailor Moon + Gurren Lagaan, I have serious doubts that no infringing material is in any of the data sets.
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Okay well I’m stalwartedly anti-anthropocentric so I suppose that’s one of the reasons I disagree
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Are the vast majority of AI art images made exclusively using Adobe Firefly
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What? No, the human brain fundamentally work differently.
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Oh you mean the variation between humans?
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I’ve had an argument with someone about this before who tried to be clever and switched to using ChatGPT to argue for him. He didn’t read what ChatGPT was saying though and it was immediately obvious when he started doing this because suddenly he (ChatGPT) was agreeing with me on literally every point but acting like it was arguing.
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I’m saying that there are widely available tools that do not carry the “original sin” of copyright infringement and so I don’t think it’s fair to stake out a super broad position on AI art that’s based on something that’s not even true of all of it
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LOL
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No, I’m saying that ChatGPT or Midjourney or whatever produces output in an incredibly distinct manner to the way that all humans do categorically. They’re totally different. It’s hard to explain just how different they are without it sounding like hyperbole.
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