Deceive Inc FM: Misery Empire Hydra - MAFIA WIN

[HyunwooAndIsol]

@Miku

@OriceliSoworio

It’s no excuse to be lazy. Chop-chop!

GTH wolf on Ivy

LAMIST and wolfy

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@Miku

@Poison_Ivy

But nah yeah like we have 48 hours each day. you cant expect all of those hours to be us constantly digging through every conversation.

12 minutes of filler is nothing compared to other games

They really aren’t gonna like me.

Also kinda wolfread the eagerness as LAMIST

So that’s a thing

These are still two different people

@Danger_Icy

@HyunwooAndIsol

if you think I am scum please vote me.

I can see my role, I know I’m town, but if we were scum it would pain me to see you vote off a town just because you don’t want to vote me day 1 again.
I know this is hypocritical because sometimes I save Eliza day 1 on the same thing but shush.

LAMIST but

I thought you posted this oops

~Hyunwoo

[Miku]

you cannot have one without hte other

[Miku]

shes talking about the same person in the 2nd one? just responding to something else

[Miku]

@HyunwooAndIsol

These are still two different people

You realize i was talking about OreoCello in this post right?

[Miku]

Like

[Miku]

Reading comprehension

[Miku]

So again I’ve called exactly one person lamist

Why are you so anti me pushing a scum read i have

Why are you so defensive of the oreo

Let me eat the oreo and play the cello

[Miku]

@Miku

you cannot have one without hte other

Meh I’m okay with dying tbh just promised someone i wouldn’t

I’m like rihanna

I want the chains

[HyunwooAndIsol]

@Miku

As far as I’m concerned there is no both

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@Miku

They are one

@Miku

And the one is LAMIST

When you said “they are one” I thought you were talking about Ivy and Ori

My vote is literally on Ori I’m not against the Ori push I was against the Ivy push

~Hyunwoo

[HyunwooAndIsol]

Like I’m the og Ori voter ntm

~Hyunwoo

[Miku]

@HyunwooAndIsol

My vote is literally on Ori I’m not against the Ori push I was against the Ivy push

I’m not pushing ivy lol

[Miku]

Nor have i ever.

Pretty sure I’ve not even spoke about them

[HyunwooAndIsol]

Yeah but I thought you were
Now I see that you aren’t

~Hyunwoo

[HellDualies]

@catch-22

hello

I will not be posting more than 3 times in this day phase

i remember this, i did not get good vibes from this. I also remember may telling me he didnt get good vibes from arctic last night but i was playing pathfinder wrath of the righteous and missed like 14 hours of the day

@catch-22

Imo my slot is obviously town and people should read into that

could be silly. and tbf right after that i said day 1 can be super fluffy and that’s fine. but i’m just sort of noting this for pattern recognition purposes

@catch-22

I’m gth townreading Ivy for this post and that is quite literally it

I kind of think Danger/Luka is mafia. For a number of small things that are making a soup in my head. To start with, I didn’t like anything in their initial wallpost except for how they asked May if they were a wolf (though I know this is in his wolfrange) - I especially didn’t like their read on me, so I asked about it, still pretending I was tutuu, and it seemed like they were taking a personality/NAI thing and using it to townread me, and when I told them I was arctic, they didn’t feel a need to re-evaluate or do anything with this new information, they just dismissed it with a joke

Then I kinda thought about how they opened in their last two games. And the difference is quite palpable, really - he opened as mafia by posting walls responding to things and making micro reads, similar to this game, whereas as town, he entered with a zero-fucks given attitude just responding to a few random things. Now I’m not sure if there was something non-alignment related for him to post like that as town, but it is quite hard to ignore how different it is to this game. The mafia/here openings feel like they are designed to make an impression - this is exacerbated by how I feel like they are posting in a way to say things rather than progress the game. They’ve restated townreads on both your slot and mine, which is something I noticed them doing a lot as mafia and thought it was strange but never acted on it (i.e. the way they townread your approach but then gave another offhand comment calling one of your posts towny in a vacuum). I feel like a villager is more inclined to post reads on players they haven’t spoken about when we are 140 posts into the game rather than reiterating the same few reads they have - this behaviour feels likely to come from someone who wants to look productive more than act it. Like I dunno. Personally if I’ve already said that I think someone is town twice less than an hour into the game, I wouldn’t consider it necessary to respond to one of their posts in micro and point out how it’s towny, but I could be projecting here. still don’t like, still feels like his wolfgame

Is that substantial enough for you?

i do like this post.but may did not like it for meta reasons iirc. There’s just not a lot of substance d1 so giving any thoughts is something i’m not willing to discount, but I’m not as familiar with any of the metas in question, so. I will say that using a hydra repeating themselves as evidence of showy productivity is a bit flimsy, since it’s two people so they might not be repeating themselves at all.Overall though, analysis is analysis.

I will leave their late night arguing with may to may’s analysis but it caused him to feel better about the slot, from what he’s told me

[HellDualies]

i will say that the pattern did not actually emerge so that second point is moot

[HellDualies]

@catch-22

@OriceliSoworio

Hello everybody, let’s see how this goes

I find this post a bit absurd to be the first post of a wolf. It’s pretty chill, and I believe in the theory that opening posts matter a ton for wolves.

This appears to be the more chill head of the hydra. The other one - the fiery one - I also townread their opening posts. Trying to force the game into progression, and their interactions with other players. Tonally I buy it.

-t

i sort of like this analysis but I also don’t like analyzing different heads of the hydra differently. too easily fakeable. I could simply come in here and pretend to be may and screw up this line of reasoning.

@catch-22

Speaking of which, I would advocate that we as a mafia community move on from the term “omgus” as it’s really confusing and it gives connotations that I find disagreeable.

The original meaning is “Oh My God You Suck” - meaning you vote someone for no reason, just because you don’t like they’re voting you. Originally there were no scummy connotations.

However, eventually the term started being used for when people scumread someone in response to getting scumreading by them, even if there was a reason. This causes confusion and muddies the water, as it’s different from the previous thing.

Eventually it started being seen as a scummy thing, as in “If you omgus you are scummy/lazy” - which just isn’t true, as people can “counterattack” for valid reasons.

I have zero expectations that I would be able to advocate for this phrase to die, by the way, but nevertheless I shall share my thoughts on how much this phrase and its usage is confusing.

-t

this feels like a weird distinction to make in the middle of a game. Maybe in a different topic it wouldn’t really mean anything but here it kind of feels like a tool to cast doubt on OMGUS votes, no matter their meaning (as put forward by the post)

@catch-22

If guava is wolf that would be Bad because I refuse via policy to vote them day 1. In their second to last game they were mischopped as town d1. In the next game, the heaven hell game, I almost got them mischopped day 1 again. I would hate for it to happen the third time. Even if I end up scumreading Guava, I’m not voting them Day 1, at least.

-t

dude

[Miku]

Guys do you think i can successfully 1000 post?

[Miku]

Guys 2.0 I’m booooooooored

[HellDualies]

I don’t like analyzing different heads differently

ends up accidentally breaking up my post when arctic stopped posting and tutuu started

[HellDualies]

this has been pandora this whole time btw may has not been here while i was isoing