Dicey Dungeons FM (8/15) - Game Thread (MAFIA WINS)

[Chloe]

what happened to your impatience and wanting me to vote immediately?

[Mistyx]

idk whats happening but go off chloe

[Litten]

I said previously that if you were a w you always win this vote because there are some people itg who aren’t really sure on me and you only need 1 v, so sure, if you are a wolf it’s probably best you vote me

but if you are a v then I strongly recommend that you don’t vote me here and look at how I been interacting today with people

[Litten]

I’m impatient because I want to interact with you and want to see what you have done

Not necessarily because I want a vote to happen

[Litten]

I think it’s hypocritical that you wanted me to wait for you to catch up before people I voted you but you just used that time to write a case on me

which honestly I expect from you as a w based on your position itt

not much I can do about it though, since it only takes one v

[Chloe]

Why Kiiruma Is a Wolf
The Ramblings of a Tired Chloe Who Still Hasn’t Read the Whole Game

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I’ve wolfed with Kiiruma before. It may have been forever ago, and was also my first wolfgame, but I have firsthand experience with his wolfgame. I’ve also spectated and been a part of many other w!Kiiruma games. I’ve seen w!Kiiruma many many many times. He is mafia. This is his scumgame.

As a wolf, he struggles with TMI, and his reads are much more accurate than they would be as a villager.
He tends to townread people for very flimsy reasons, and his confidence level in them being town doesn’t tend to match his reasonings.
He consistently townreads top wagons if they’re town - god knows why lol, he just does. All the time.

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His early D1 is incredibly awkward and uncomfortable:

@Kiiruma

I wasn’t going to comment on anything for a while but this is kinda an important enough thing to pick up on.
What’s your basis for saying there’s probably a lw?

Is it role based or just setup speculation?
Keep in mind that if it is role based, don’t go into too many specifics.

@Kiiruma

Is that actually a common 15p thing? Didn’t know.
Alright I guess.

So what’s the 15p sort of breakdown then?

I remember reading we have no neuts

@Kiiruma

I enjoy mechs but I guess I’ll just check to watch out for spew.
One of the main mechs this game seems to revolve around randomness to ‘improve’ roles.
Kinda something new and something I want to look more into

@Kiiruma

My 4 mafia, which are totally not randomly generated are
Myself, VooDooSh, Mistyx and Aelin

@Kiiruma

So am I supposed to do a self vote and AtE now?

@Kiiruma

I’m obviously very townie guys and this is just me having really awkward posts as usual
Why can’t you see what I am reee

@Kiiruma

I’m not good at defending myself, ok?

It’s early on and I’m not enjoying pressure already when I kinda felt both awkward and yet relaxed in thread prior Aelin against me.

I know my posts have been awkward, it doesn’t take a detective to see it. But I don’t know what you do at start of game. And I’m trying to explain and it’s not working

The first bolded post feels like posting just to post - like he wants to look like he’s being useful but… he’s really saying nothing
The second and third bolded posts feel like he’s trying to fit in but not quiiite hitting the mark
Like he wants to be one of the cool kids

Aelin is also correct that his behavior here is far more awkward than how he acted in his recently completed village game, SCP FM

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Here are some examples of classic Kiiruma TMI.

@Kiiruma

My main reason (and yes, I know it’s weak af) for my townread on ATNo at this point is just I don’t think W!ATNo kinda just chills and uses random.org to make a list and vibe with me in the awkward-o-lympics.

It’s really nothing special but just I liked their posts in the first 50 in this thread and how we meshed.

@Kiiruma

My main reason for liking Arctic is kinda just I feel like they’re trying to lead and it doesn’t really feel like it’s a wolf trying to put on anything, it kinda just feels like someone trying to kickstart the game. I like their posts

Dude like legit what the hell are these posts lol
How is this any reason to townread them
This is legitimately just TMI - and him forcing himself to provide reads that don’t exist

@Kiiruma

It just feels fucking weird.

Aelin’s trying out a new style for her but was the start of my wagon and I feel like she’s trying to push me instead of actually W reading me and keeps picking up on snippets. But idk if she would do that as wolf or town.

Agent literally voted me for the reason of me ignoring them and idk what Atlas does there, it feels like reasoning I don’t see from them.

Zone’s being Zone.

He has a habit of townreading villagers who are pushing him as a way to appeal to them. Also likely because he doesn’t know how to convincingly fake scumreads on villagers - especially if he’s under pressure

He talks to and about people like he knows they’re villagers. He doesn’t seem to genuinely consider a world where the people considering him are wolves. He may express hedge/uncertainty on their alignment but where’s that natural OMGUS feeling when you’re being pushed incorrectly? He knows these people are town

@Kiiruma

This was your reasoning, yeah?
Why am I not trying to seem like I’m clueless and pocketing people?

I don’t know how to respond to you here. It’s going to come across as so fucking artificial no matter how I do it because you’re asking me to LAMIST and just defend myself from your perspective of me

@Kiiruma

Like I can respond to it but all I know is it’s going to look worse if I do than don’t and I don’t know by now whether I’d rather just let you vote me and let the others re-eval as day goes on or whether I’d rather risk responding and looking worse for it

There’s no hint of suspicion on Agent here.

@Kiiruma

Kinda already gave some reads and I’m starting to think Agent’s pushing on me in bad faith which feels disheartening tbh

When Kiiruma finally outs some suspicion on Agent it’s
Disheartening?
You think a wolf might be pushing you and you sigh, move on, and call it disheartening
Bro

@Kiiruma

They really don’t and I think you just keep zoning in on your narrow mindset.
Stop, take a step back and look at things instead of just seeing ‘hurr durr Kii bad’

@Kiiruma

@Agent47 I’m going to keep things simple.

I do not want to believe that wolves are just chilling and lapping this all up in the background.

Further to this, I think your pushing on me is in bad faith and your constant narrow-mindedness can be wolfy due to it.

However, the reason why I added the whole ‘I don’t want to believe scenario’ is, if you are actually good then you seriously need to take a step back, look back on everything, go over your issues with me, I’ll respond to them and we can go from there.

Because if you are good then we kinda need to stop imploding, now. As the game is still early but all that pushing me and misreading does is cause me to become basically useless and panicky

Beep Boop
Dude knows Agent is town and wants him off his ass

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@Kiiruma

I mean that I don’t feel like you’re wolf reading me, I think you’re just trying to push me to give content and it’s not working out. Each time you’re picking up on something, it’s a small thing and I don’t get why you’re focusing on it. Like you’re saying I’m being overly awkward and this hasn’t decreased, it’s getting worse and I don’t know what to do about it. I half want to nope out of thread but I’m trying to fucking settle it all and move on instead of running away.

@Kiiruma

@Aelin

Pick one
gth what am i

Town. Painful town.

@Aelin

@Kiiruma

Town. Painful town.

Bad news!
You’re right, but this was the wrong answer.

@Kiiruma

Ok I have only one thing to comment to this because the rest of it is kinda fair and I feel like I’ve been overreacting to you and feel erked by it…

But wtf do you mean ‘This was the wrong answer’?

Am I supposed to say ‘I scumread you for doing this’? I hate to say that I don’t, but I really don’t. I’m irritated and I’m not doing much here, I’m trying to get my points across and so far all it’s done has net me 3 votes within less than 4 hours of game start. But I know that what you’ve said, from an outside perspective, is ok.

Just read Aelin’s post regarding this response. She does a better job explaining how it’s bad than I could:

@Aelin

The way you were phrasing your posts indicated that you were viewing me as an opportunistic scum, further evidenced by you saying that there was potential for a wolf on your wagon
Additionally beforehand you were very adamant on not reading me but throwing a townread at me when i force the point feels like an attempt to placate me
if you had said that you scumread me i probably wouldve unvoted you, yeah.

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@Kiiruma

My read on ATNo still stems from the early on way which we vibed and their use of RNG so casually. But as the game continued, they’ve had some weird moments such as what just felt like a randomly placed vote:

/vote Arctic @Host_Account_1

Which I feel like as mafia, they’d at least be a bit more self aware of how things are coming across. Like I saw them say nothing about Arctic, vote them and not even touch much on them after that. And that’s just 1 weird thing I can talk about. It’s a really weird version of ‘TWTBAW’

@Kiiruma

Shark, I just can’t even begin to talk about.

Shark has the 2nd most posts and yet content wise? I’d say they’re not even 50% content based with anything of any sort of positive towny substance.

One post I liked from them was:

Considering I don’t know most people here? I think I wouldn’t rely on my reads too much but I think I’d generally focus on reading off of how much people write, and seeing how useful or giving what their theories are, their messages really are instead of trying to post too much, but not really giving anything in general, just like a basic social read rather than trying to base it off of my personal opinions

Since it felt like a simple and genuine response to my question. Yet they say ‘I wouldn’t rely on my reads’ and ‘I’d focus on reading off of how much people write’. Like, they’re not trusting their own reads but instead are going to look at content? Yes… that’s how you’re supposed to be able to form a read in the first place.

And this isn’t the only thing to me which doesn’t make sense, it’s just one of the early ones.

I’m going to timeskip a fair bit.

I am probably the most confirmable role but it doesn’t matter if I’ll die and prove it anyway

This came long after we’d already discussed to death ‘Don’t soft, don’t claim, don’t acknowledge others’ having claimed, just leave it be’. And I just don’t understand why W!Shark says so many things which just don’t seem to make sense.

Some of Shark’s posts also feel like they could be coached but this may just be the fact that their posts content overall really doesn’t leave much for the imagination. It’s just straight and to the point which feels like it could come from a wolf trying to leave behind no breadcrumbs (should it be coaching)

They went for a gutsy claim in the BotF but they weren’t like the main wolf, unless they’re a wolf who feels like they’re disposable, I think they’re more likely to be a townie who just doesn’t know what to say and is struggling to stay afloat.

This is all classic w!Kiiruma TMI

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I’m getting exhausted trying to balance realtiming and reading the whole game and finding someone to cross so I’m kinda giving up on continuing this unfortunately
Some other notes because I’m getting way way way too tired to put a lot more effort into this case:

• The way he treated my claim is also TMI. He says he doesn’t believe it yet never follows through on pushing me for it. He instead backs off, because he knows I’m being truthful.

• He loves to hide behind mech as a wolf. Which is exactly what he’s doing today with his claim.

• w!Kiiruma kinda points to w!Jarek simply from his pushes and votes there lol

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Like legitimately
If this doesn’t do it for you then read his ISO for yourself and tell me he isn’t an obvious wolf
Because he is lol

There isn’t a single villagery thing in all of his 300+ posts
None
And I’m not exaggerating

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I think Litten is a wolf as well but I never ever win that cross today so whattheheckever
I’m voting earlier because if I’m right I think we’ll need as much time as possible for coordination and organization

good luck
if im wrong im sorry
i tried

@Litten
@Wazza
@Mistyx
@Jarek
@Napoleon
@Arctic
@Zone_Q11

if i’m wrong please just end the game

/vote Kiiruma @Host_Account_1

[Chloe]

fuckfuckfuckfuck

please

[Litten]

Wow

[Litten]

I got heel turned on

[Litten]

I’m not voting yet btw

[Chloe]

not hammering, litten?

[Chloe]

kk

[Chloe]

weh

[Chloe]

im soi fucking anxious rn ive never been the first voter ibn lylo lol

[Litten]

the world not exploding is a good sign I think

[Mistyx]

not voting

[Chloe]

okay
a

[Kiiruma]

So if I end up thinking you’re town I need to gladiate to reset your vote.
Really wish you had just discussed it with me first fml

[Litten]

acfually I just realized that this doesn’t do anything if kiiruma is town gladiator and Chloe is town

Kiiruma can reset votes

[Chloe]

youre kidding me