Don't Starve - Anonymous TOWN VICTORY!

[Willow]

@Webber

Basically “why isn’t Willow dead”?

I did not post yesterday. There is a significant chance that the last wolf thought I might continue not to do so. I was much less of a threat in that context.

[Webber]

You only didn’t post yesterday due to the hammer. Historically, you’ve been reliably posting closer to the end of each day, rather than missing phases entirely.

[Wickerbottom]

@Webber

Basically “why isn’t Willow dead”?

In all fairness, this question was also asked to WX-78 at D3 by Wanda (P#1914), and then WX-78 died at N3. I don’t think asking this question will help us progress much.

[Wickerbottom]

@Webber

This is a harmful stance this late into the game regardless of alignment, unless you’re getting executed either way. From a villager’s perspective, everyone else has a higher chance of flipping evil etcetera etcetera. It just looks self-sacrificing, which can sometimes create doubt.

Everyone else has a higher chance of flipping mafia, but what I fear is the worst case scenario where we continue to execute town twice in a row and enter D7 with 2v1 LYLO.

I have already stated how I am not confident I will make a good choice if I were to live at F3. To reiterate: I do not believe I have been able to show that I am town, and I believe might become a liability at F3. This was the reason why I put the idea of my own execution today.

It does not look self-sacrificing. It is self-sacrificing.

I shall not vote myself to uphold the game’s sportmanship, but I will not defend myself if the majority decides that I should be removed from the equation.

[Wortox]

I’m still sticking by the main thing I said yesterday before yall decided to quickhammer which is that I think that it is somewhat unlikely that the wagon on Wormwood was pure. Which means I’m looking at Wickerbottom, Wigfrid and Wurt more than others atm.

I want it to be Wurt because then I’ve been decently right this game. And if not then I’d think Wigfrid.
Wickerbottom slot was wolfy originally but post-sub has been quite towny I think.

If game doesn’t end when killing Wurt and Wigfrid I’d be surprised but I’d 100% revaluate on F3.

[Webber]

I’ve been with family today, but I’m not particularly hard pressed to solve this game in a hurry anyway since it should be fairly simple to get people onto the same page. Current suspects can be Wurt (generally vague reads like the one on D1!Wicker, forced hammer on Wormwood) and Wortox (from D1 equity with Wormwood), although specific posts have pinged me as honest from both. Ideally though, we should just clear slots and win today, sure. That sounds fun.

Resetting my reads atm, I will be around later. I don’t want to kill Wurt today off weak impressions, though.

[Wortox]

I don’t see how I am a candidate for anybody. I had Woodie dead to rights and I suggested doing a tie of Me vs Woodie vs Wilson. Which might I remind you, is semi-throwing. In addition to this Wormwood buddied up to me and then voted me fairly randomly after I’d been on Woodie. Unless you’re saying that I convinced both of my partners to let me be the last remaining wolf, it is far more realistic that the interactions just clear me.

Even Wolfgang who was against me for a lot of the game ended up giving a townread on me before dying. So how some other slots can argue it is me, I truly do not know. It’s to the point where I half feel like yall are just saying it so I’m kept alive so you have less suspects in F5/F3 lol

[Webber]

There never would’ve been a tie on the first day, and so suggesting a tie was of no consequence because it would never practically happen. Wormwood sought to defend you on the first day when it would’ve been optimal to just vote v!you instead, and then on the second day they voted you immediately after Wendy and WX turned against their slot (in a fashion that is plausibly anti-spew).

As for Wolfgang:

@Webber

Wolfgang didn’t actually townread Wortox, by the way. Wolfgang was expressing a joke in how confident the Warly wagon was, I think. Hence the insistence to hammer immediately.

[Wortox]

@Webber

There never would’ve been a tie on the first day, and so suggesting a tie was of no consequence because it would never practically happen. Wormwood sought to defend you on the first day when it would’ve been optimal to just vote v!you instead, and then on the second day they voted you immediately after Wendy and WX turned against their slot (in a fashion that is plausibly anti-spew).

Wormwood also EOD 1 chose to state they weren’t going to vote me in a way which would be overkill for a partner to do with their other partner especially considering the fact that at the time Woodie could have been the one to flip there. So in that world it could’ve been me and them as the 2 remaining wolves (Post Woodie flip) having already publicly buddied… and hard at that.

[Wurt]

Well

[Eddie]

Wurt (2): Wickerbottom, Wigfrid

Not Voting (5): Willow, Webber, Wortox, Wurt, Wanda

[Willow]

A slow game.

I’m willing to kill into WX’s wolfreads, though I would like to be more thorough than that. I do not have time to re-read Wurt at the moment. My instinct is not actually that Wurt will flip wolf.

[Willow]

I have never liked searching for final wolves. Partnership interactions are the most valuable thing we have for hunting down wolves, and we have received all the partnership interactions we will ever get. And one of those players zero-posted the day they died.

[Willow]

Statistically, there is only a 56% chance we win this game if we choose executions at pure random. Do not get complacent.

@Eddie

Wilson (5): Willow, Webber, Warly, Wormwood, Wes
Woodie (4): Wurt, Wortox, Wilson, WX-78
Wortox (3): Wanda, Woodie, Wolfgang
Wolfgang (1): Wigfrid
Wurt (1): Wendy

Not Voting (1): Wickerbottom

@Eddie

Woodie (5): Wortox, Warly, Wigfrid, WX-78, Wurt
Wanda (2): Wolfgang, Willow
Wormwood (1): Wendy
Wortox (1): Webber
Wolfgang (1): Wormwood

Not Voting (4): Wilson, Wickerbottom, Woodie, Wanda

@Eddie

Wormwood (5): Wickerbottom, Wigfrid, Warly, WX-78, Wurt
Warly (2): Wanda, Wolfgang
Wurt (1): Wortox

Not Voting (3): Willow, Wormwood, Webber

Notable takeaways:

• Webber and Wanda have never ended the day voting for a wolf.
• Wurt has ended every day voting for wolves.

[Willow]

Here is every interaction Webber had with a flipped wolf.

Summary

@Webber

Contemplating Woodie’s insistence that he is actually a new player who was invited to the game despite ample inexperience, we have elected to believe the claim. Woodie stated mild suspicion onto Wolfgang (supported by Wortox), Wes (against consensus, supported by Woodie) and Wortox (against consensus, supported by WX-78); divorced from the latest read post where he said WX-78 and Wes could swing either side

@Woodie

additionally, I need wood to chop…if you spare a tree lemme know

Chop and chop! Life is okay when you’ve got a golden axe.

@Webber

@Wormwood

out of curiosity is this how you normally type, or are you forcing out this tone? Dosent come accross as natural but also tis the nature of anon games often.

I’d rather not say

@Webber

You don’t know me!

We’ve signified a few additional cases, vaguely the suspicion on Willow and trust on WX (both of whom we’re voting with), but fair

Wicker is my current most confident townread, although not my “top” town if that distinction makes sense.

Willow and WX could be on a similar wavelength, having quite similar reads while trusting each other in an unclear sense, but at most there’s one evil between them. We trust the latter’s head more than the former’s.

I’ll pass on commenting about Wolfgang at the moment, since they’re still just right here. Chaos usually means town.

Wicker / Willow / Wix / Woodie has one at most, more likely evil.

@Webber

Wurt’s other noteworthy read was to trust Woodie because they couldn’t see an evil motivation for their actions, which was then inverted later and dropped in favour of a vote when the bot allegations came out. We can assume this is no longer a townread given a stated inability to see a town motivation to generate reads; but it doesn’t read like a scum case either. In any case, it feels like Wurt really just has the one read.

This is a plausible evil slot in our eight eyes, although likely not with Woodie

@Webber

Woodie (the character) is a generic woodsman, and the player has claimed to be new.
We’d like to raise the tinfoil that “she” is a key word from knowing the player’s pronouns by sharing a private chat with them, since otherwise it comes from nowhere, although I suppose we aren’t unfamiliar with people just assuming. This is without us really breaking either Wortox or Woodie down in an ISO

@Webber

Wormwood townread Wendy, Wes and Wortox consistently throughout the first day; and conversely suspected Wilson and Woodie as well. Earlier on in the game, they also suspected Wickerbottom as well, but after a while this read seems to have been unceremoniously dropped without fanfare and never mentioned again. Beyond the aforementioned reads from yesterday, Wormwood interspersed D1’s casual fluff commentary with one-note gutreads and insights, which mostly go unelaborated except for a couple cases. Their tone was also just casual in general, sometimes joking around with their townreads and Wolfgang or making random comments as if they don’t feel obligated to make the most of their time, but aren’t either putting up a front or taking things for granted either.

The Wortox townread in particular is noteworthy, because that properly goes against the grain and it was maintained from the beginning until the end of the day. The pair could theoretically both be evil together, since there was a plausible chance of Wortox dying at the time of the 3/3/3 split with Woodie. But otherwise it’s just a committed vote that has no reason to exist from an evil who could rather just let the votes go whichever way, since we know Wilson was town. Even if they were paired, it would reasonably be safer to cut ones’ losses than to blatantly rescue a teammate on the ropes, considering that it’s a pure mountainous setup.

Wormwood is realistically a town player, even if the Wortox read is questionable. It’s a read that’s also shared by Willow, funnily enough.

@Webber

Cool, I don’t think you can be partnered with Woodie.

@Webber

Woodie left a weakly-explained vote on Wortox in the first day, and didn’t follow up on it again today because they weren’t really here. Wortox, conversely, tried really hard to get Woodie executed last EOD. It would be a good move if they were partnered, since otherwise neither would realistically survive until the end as wolves, but for Wortox it’s a distant cry from just voting a teammate and hoping they survive. Especially with the expectation of death and the vote again today.

@Webber

I can believe it. My mental assessment of Wortox was that they were a defensive player who didn’t quite how to form reads in a vanilla setting, and so their consistent push onto Woodie instead of just acting lost wasn’t a partner’ing action. But all things considered, repeating the draw comment and switching their reasoning to continue voting Woodie today was a tad performative.
We also remembered this defence.

Replies to Wormwood below.

@Webber

It’s the same subject matter

@Webber

I think Wurt confirmed it was, actually.

@Webber

VOTE: Wortox.
All things considered, the Wanda vote is just funny.

Woodie was the top wagon at the time.

@Webber

I only see w!Wormwood coming from w!Wortox, in all honesty. When there were 3/3/3 wagons on the first day with Woodie, Wilson and Wortox tied, Wormwood jumped in and voted Wilson when discontent about the wagon was beginning to grow. Wortox was more in the line of my consciousness this game than Woodie was, and Wormwood voted Woodie yesterday early on so my perception was that WW was actually just trying to protect Wortox.

@Webber

@Wormwood

VOTE: Wilson

Really dont want Wortox in a rand here

It has occurred to us this vote was made four minutes before EOD, and not as early as I remembered it. The “why not wait until the votes invariably go onto Wortox” argument doesn’t hold weight because they very well could’ve been doing that and lost their nerve for Woodie either way. I’ve been a fool

@Webber

Discounting that revelation, I’m just seeing that Woodie overlooked the existence of Wormwood’s slot entirely, which can regrettably be said for how they treated half the rest of the game as well.

To psychologically analyse Woodie’s behaviour this game… I think they were by their own. There is no incentive to recommend artificial reads as what they put out, and the reads they did put out could apply generally to most players in the game without nuance. I do believe Woodie was at least new, and that they weren’t being coached, or else there would’ve been a sharper more experienced focus behind their pen.

@Woodie

I hope every townie had a good night sleep.

Rest in peace Wes. You were a townie friend. Will be always in our hearts and minds. And your trolls will always lighten up the upcoming days.

This entrance for the second day is noteworthy, though. Woodie had named a townread on this slot, and Wes had actively townread Woodie before he died. This just reads like addressing a taunt in my perception, and for Woodie specifically this kill might have been a mistake. Given the lack of an emphatic readlist from Woodie, or a defence on the second day, “absent-minded” as they were, I guess the evil team just hasn’t been paying attention this game.

@Webber

For the court, Wes townread both Woodie and Wormwood. That would be an atrocious kill for them both to make, and the only players who attempted to leverage Wes’ legacy to make reads were Wolfgang and Willow off the top of my head.

@Webber

In theory yes. Wormwood’s previous head was earnest in isolation, and I can’t comprehend the theory behind their nightkills. I’d rather Warly or Wortox over Wormwood first.
This primarily depends on what the new head makes of themselves.

Reply to Wormwood below.

@Webber

We’ll be waiting to hear you out.

@Webber

It’s as you said. Wormwood is in an indefensible position and it’s only their heritage that we like, not the fact that the slot froze up from replacing in. The small text on top of that didn’t fee good.

I think Warly is worse but I’m not going to stubbornly resist a Wormwood wagon considering that I was wrong on Woodie at the end.

@Webber

The small text is performative. It’s specifically trying to seem tame and beneath notice, but it’s a font change one would specifically have to put on.

[Willow]

Here is every interaction Wurt had with a flipped wolf.

Summary

@Wurt

Woodie’s newness is a cover for something that isn’t wolfing
They might be wolfing independently of that

@Wurt

@Woodie

Hey Guys, I’m a newbie here. I appreciate any help you could give me on how to vote, how to play and that kind of stuff.

Like I think everyone has said this but

@Wurt

@Woodie

what’s FM? so this means both xD

Come on

@Wormwood

Also as of RN im gonna work off the assumption Woodie is a new player, mostly because iv seen people as a new player told they were lying the whole game and it was quite frustrating. Plan to keep an eye on them and make a more informed decision after some more content

@Wurt

I can get behind this

@Wurt

I changed my mind I buy woodie being new
It’s probably against the spirit of the game to say any more

@Wurt

They’re also 100% grasping for straws with their reads,
Which actually i find townie for a new player

@Wurt

Nah actually I find it townie
Their reads ARE bad
But it’s in a way newbtown would do

@Wurt

Stereotypically I’d expect them to be frozen
I get the vibe that they want to be helpful but don’t know how so they mimick an experienced player, which is why I said they’re town

@Wurt

This is not to be confused with wanting to APPEAR helpful in which case I’d expect them to literally just copy someone’s reads

@Wes

they sound coached lol besides the awkward wood comments

@Wurt

…I can see it

@Wurt

@Woodie

Wolfgang : Initially claims to be town but then corrects himself, which could be interpreted as a slip-up or an attempt to appear innocent. This inconsistency raises suspicion.

Hm

@Wurt

It definitely doesn’t feel written by them you’re right on that front

@Wurt

Just the post before they said “EDITED YOU RAT”
Which is super inconsistent with their next post

@Wes

it sounds like chat gpt i am so done

@Wurt

Yeah

@Wurt

@Woodie

Wes : Seems actively engaged in the game, making accusations and urging others to contribute. However, Wes also seems to be joking around a lot, which could either be genuine or a tactic to obfuscate their true intentions.

No one thinks like this

@Wurt

It’s still against the rules tho
Might be considered angleshooting to discuss it

@Wurt

I recommend not discussing the chat gpt read for now, at least until I get an answer

@Wurt

Hey good news we can say woodie is using chat GPT and it isn’t angleshooting

@Wurt

Given the fact they obviously did I’ll vote there
VOTE: Woodie

@Wes

i liked our conversation but i do think wurt voting woodie after we decided he was prob town was bad

@Wurt

I thought we decided he was scum?

@Wormwood

I dont think I wanna go for woodie today but im iffy on them, mostly because a few of the things the said just didnt seem like they came from a new player?

actually

@Woodie do you have any other mafia experience (town of salem, in person, etc) or is this your first ever time doing any form of mafia game?

@Wurt

I think I’ll trust Wes on wortox if Woodie wagon doesn’t gain traction

@Wurt

I’d feel really bad executing Woodie if they are a new player and they’re town tbh (if they’re wolf they used chat GPT to play the game for them and I’d still feel bad but not as much
I’m not THAT confident on them being wolf tho

@Wormwood

@Wurt

@WX-78

LIKE

DO WE ACTUALLY THINK IT’S +EV TO TAKE PURE TOWN WILSON TO LYLO HERE
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[quote=“WX-78, post:1092, topic:7635, full:true”] WHY ARE YOU HERE, WILSON?

THIS IS NOT A LOADED QUESTION. I JUST CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME FIGURE YOU OUT.

Stuff like this make me question why they voted Woodie
I got the impression they wanted Wilson dead and yet

Yeah its not the greatest thing by itself but I think theyve been towny enough overall that their probs just town

@Wurt

Yeah idk

@Wurt

Woodie’s tone is all over the place please help

@Wurt

@Webber

Wurt pushed on Wilson, Woodie and Wortox yesterday. Today they’ve made comments against yourself and Warly. The reads today just feel out of place and as a way to shift discussion elsewhere, particularly if you and Warly are both town.

Re: This
My wolfread on Woodie still stays
My “read” on Wortox was just trusting Wes though, wasn’t much of a comment
It’s just that I haven’t talked about them much today, since a lot of other things have caught my eye

@Wurt

Anyways
Re: the game
I’ll switch to Woodie if necessary

@Wurt

Actually I lied I kinda scumread woodie more

@Wurt

VOTE: Woodie

@Wurt

Upon thinking about it for a sec
Woodie has multiple things
Warly has one

@Wurt

Actually god damnit you’re making me question my woodie read

@Wurt

Idk
It’s definitely not written by them

@Wurt

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a coach they copied when they weren’t supposed to

@Wurt

@Woodie

and apparently I broke a rule.

Oh dann

@Wurt

I somehow completely missed that post
Ok yeah woodie can die

@Wurt

I sincerely doubt Town would manufacture reads like that

@Wormwood

You think someone coaching them actually wrote that out???

@Wurt

No

@Wurt

That’s L-1 btw
UNVOTE

@Wurt

VOTE: Woodie
Revoting

@Wormwood

@Wendy

Not Villagery.

Nah I say that regardless of alignment their

@Wurt

Bad post

@Wurt

Boom bye woodie

@Wurt

Woodie spews WX town I think
I have a wallpost prepared but

@Wurt

Woodie also minorly spews Wolfgang town
They have a lot of things about Wortox I haven’t examined yet

@Wurt

Yeah you’re spewed town it’s just warly

@Wurt

no because I haven’t actually read many wormwood posts

@Wurt

Llike I’ve been there for them
But I haven’t really read anything there

@Wurt

Yeah I think wormwood needs a lesson in trickery

@Wurt

Though tbf it’s not their fault even if they’re town

@Wurt

Actually nvm I’ll just do it
VOTE: Wormwood

@Wurt

I’m sorry current wormwood

[Willow]

Wurt pushed wolves at completely unnecessary times. They initially townread Woodie but were integral in pushing them out, flipping back and forth on them and bringing up the idea that they could have been coached. They also correctly noted that Woodie spewed WX and Wolfgang town, and called out Wormwood as not villagery at the same time that Woodie was going out. I do not actually want to kill here today.

[Willow]

@Wormwood

VOTE: Wanda

CFD CHOO CHOO

@Wormwood

VOTE: Woodie

Short train ride lol

If Wanda is a wolf here, Wormwood would get equal amounts of credibility for killing either Wanda or Woodie, and would likely prefer killing the latter, as there was little attention on Wanda at the time. I do not want to kill Wanda today.

[Willow]

Wigfrid, Wickerbottom, Webber, Wortox.

Here is every interaction that Wickerbottom had with a flipped wolf.

Summary

@Wickerbottom

@Wormwood

what

Non-aligned indicated, Wormwood. Nothing stands out.

@Wickerbottom

@Wormwood

hmm, sounds like a skill issue to me

You must be starving.

@Wickerbottom

@Wormwood

nah Im just built different

Your gut must be starving, but I believe that you’re build different

[quote=“Wickerbottom, post:71, topic:7635, full:true”]

@Wormwood

@Wickerbottom

You kinda answer your own question for that. But at least you’re starting more productive than before.
[/quote]

what

You’re still Null, but not enough to spew you town from me.

@Wickerbottom

One thing I have noticed upon reading everything [Woodie] has said is that they have chosen to vote [Wortox] at the first day to break the tie. While it may be a hasty conclusion, I believe there might be a mafia within [Wolfgang] and [Wilson] due to this behavior.

@Wickerbottom

Ah… My apologies. I had thought it would be rather bland to keep seeing everyone’s name as they all start with the same letter, and just gave everyone nicknames without thinking much about it.

Udi is meant to be Woodie, the only mafia who has flipped so far.

@Wickerbottom

What a coincidence! I also have my suspicions on Wolfgang, though the reasoning might be rather underwhelming. I am currently reading through the logs, but I have finished reading everything Woodie had said, and it did strike me as odd how Woddie broke the tie and voted Wortox over Wolfgang and Wilson. I believe this implies Wortox is town, whereas Wolfgang is mafia.

We won’t exactly get anywhere just by talking alone. Therefore, I shall cast my vote upon my top suspect.

VOTE: Wolfgang

Wormwood was the only other vote on the board at this time.

@Wickerbottom

I am currently around the 150th post, and I would agree that Wormwood is also suspicious. However, I have to admit that this is an immature and biased read, as the primary reason why I suspect them is because they had gutread me as mafia.

@Wickerbottom

I do not oppose the formation of a force against Wormwood. However, I have yet to finish reading the history of this game. As of now, the one who I suspect the most is still Wolfgang.

Would you prefer if I were to switch to Wormwood while I continue reading the past?

@Wickerbottom

When push comes to shove at EOD2 and a three-way tie was formed, Wurt switched to Woodie while Wolfgang switched to Wortox. (I find it rather interesting how Wormwood was the one who broke the tie by switching to Woodie.)

Wolfgang believed that while Woodie was no newbie, Woodie was town, and attempted to CFD to Wanda with no explanation whatsoever, to which WX-78 and Wormwood responded. However, in the end it failed and the two who had joined returned to Woodie’s wagon instead.

I am having a hard time believing Wurt is mafia based on their tie-breaking vote on Woodie at EOD2. At moments like those, keeping your scumbuddies safe should have been a priority, which -to me- is what Wolfgang was trying to do.

Woodie was trying to kill Wortox at D1, which I also see as an attempt to save Wolfgang.

@WX-78, despite what I had just said about “mafia should prioritize keeping scumbuddies alive”, it is not the case where I cannot imagine the possibility of mafia!Wormwood bussing Woodie, but rather… I believe it is simply Wolfgang.

@Wickerbottom

Wormwood actually should have belonged around the same tier as Wurt, Willow, and Webber. However, I have seen how EOD2 votes panned out, and I do fear there might be a possibility where Wormwood had bussed Woodie to gain towncred.

@Wolfgang

@Wickerbottom

Additionally, my answer to your question is “Woodie could have opted to not vote at all”.

But not voting is obviously a worse look than voting so why does them voting suggest I am mafia instead of suggesting they were just doing optimal play of not being a non-voter.

@Wickerbottom

Hm… That is a fair statement. I did not take that angle to consideration.

VOTE: Wormwood

@Wickerbottom

I am currently around the 610th post, and so far these are my reads:

TOWN

Warly
Wortox

WX-78
Wurt

Webber
Wolfgang
Willow

NULL

Wigfrid
Wanda
Wormwood

MAFIA

[Willow]

Reading this game is not the most easy task in the world given the way the wolves died and the number of replacements. There are so many slots who cannot remotely explain their own behavior around the wolf executions, and the wolves themselves posted little and did not provide too much to go off of from their end.