Enemy Within (Deus Ex 5) 10/18 - Town/NSF Victory

[Kiiruma]

I mean, I literally don’t because I can read my rolecard.

[Atlas]

But we think you will
Can you point out where you’ve been towny to me

[Trochilidae]

@Kiiruma

I can see more from T!Trochi than W!Trochi as I think then they wouldn’t need to ask thread about what’s going on, they’d have their maf chat.

to clarify, this is an awful reason to townread me. I was asking what is going on because I had little to no memory of anything previous.

[Kiiruma]

You’re literally asking me to LAMIST and if I do it, you’re going to say ‘Kiiruma tried to LAMIST, but I think Kiiruma’s a W still, just doing this anyway’

You know this is the case, so why do you think of even asking me?

[Atlas]

@Kiiruma

You know this is the case, so why do you think of even asking me?

considering you just made that up

[Kiiruma]

I know this is the case, I remember what was said. But I do think that if you were a W then your team would make sure you’re always up to speed.

My apologies

[Trochilidae]

as in, do you scumread Kiiruma for any reasons not related to Geyde?

[Atlas]

Oh
Yeah

[Kiiruma]

And what are these reasons

[Trochilidae]

enlighten me

[Atlas]

I’ll go iso you

[Kiiruma]

I love that I think Atlas is a town member but has done a bunch of sheeping so I’m annoyed.

They’re reading me off what I did with Geyde.

And then when I’m asking their other reasons outside of it they need to ISO me instead of being able to say any instantly which I think they would do if they already had them.

They just want me to go over.

[Kiiruma]

Also, wait a second.

Did GGhana vote Geyde for a bit after pushing on me a F ton, then revoted me, saying ‘What happened to the wagon on Kiiruma?’

I’m confident I’m right now because I had already commented on GGhana/Geyde not likely being a team so GGhana voting Geyde makes sense there for GGhana trying to put on a ‘I’m the townie, not Geyde’ thing and at the same time, if that failed (which it would’ve to me) put on a ‘If I’m going down, my action to move off Geyde will make them look bad and I can try and bring them down with me’ thing.

[Kiiruma]

GGhana knows me in FM, GGhana’s a W trying to get into my head and cast doubts on my Geyde read

[Trochilidae]

I’m probably too tired to provide anything useful now, but I will be up before EOD to vote. I don’t feel comfortable enough to do it now:

[Atlas]

@Kiiruma

It’s probably because there’s a load of joking atm and that doesn’t really move games on

Fair

@Kiiruma

I never thought I’d say this btw, but I don’t want Hippo dead today because I think from what I’ve seen Hippo just doesn’t seem to fit maf team vibes rn. I think this is T!Hippo

Maf team… vibes…

@Kiiruma

Sure, if you’d like to say that then you can.
I’m getting the vibes from reading Hip’s posts.
It’s not like I’m just gutreading fully, it’s just overall I think Hip’s got town equity (could be NK since I don’t feel like Hip is teamed, but it’s a bit hard to hit a NK already)

what
this isn’t a real explanation

@Kiiruma

Sure, I can do that.

I feel like i’ve tried too early and it’s obvious im in my town meta which i usually dont do till like d3 so i dont get nkilled

I think it is a genuine ‘oh fuck’ thing by T!Hip which is passed off as a joke, since a high amount of Hip’s ISO prior to this has felt jokey despite it maybe having some reasoning (which Hip doesn’t show (even as town) D1) to it.

Why would he even do that at the first place

@Kiiruma

Cuz ur the most active player by far so I’m assuming ull just get killed and then if ur around like d3 I’ll pay more attention to ur slot

I feel like this is Hip just being casual. And I can acknowledge Hip can be casual as literally any faction, however I think it’s more likely that this is Hip being just like ‘I usually survive because people see me as jokey

He was saying about someone getting killed, he never said anything about surviving in that sentence
Its implied yes (that he’d survive), but he never stated why or hinted at enough for you to say he said this

@Kiiruma

I’ll be perfectly honest here too Arctic, I feel like Seth makes up… basically every bit of reasoning, almost every read.
So that’s my biggest problem with em.

However, like, this means it’s NAI. NAI but annoying

Fair enough

@Kiiruma

I think you’ll find that people do ask me stuff and I either ignore them for a while or just forget about them and continue on. So ya shouldn’t be worried about my alignment there, it’s kinda just a me thing, not a specific alignment me thing.

why
thats just bad for town in every game

@Kiiruma

I’m trying to pick up on the vibes it gives off and I just don’t think that in that particular circumstance W!Hip would’ve done it

this is a gutread admit it

@Kiiruma

Also Geyde I do hate to point this out but your read on me is… using a thing from almost a year and a month ago. If you really want to look for ‘consistency with past games’ then look at something else bud

Have you really changed that much in that time though
Reading your past games, I see enough consistency to say that its still relevant

@Kiiruma

And I can say this… because my role is town. So the reasoning is, as I know, shit.

this is just wordspam that means absolutely nothing

@Kiiruma

Do yall seriously think Hip is mafia when they’re acting like this and/or that I’m mafia for defending Hip in this way?

yeah
this is pretty much either a gutread or a really bad pocketing attempt, there isn’t much reason other than you making it up

@Kiiruma

• You’re both wrong lol.
• This is not the first time you’re parroting Geyde and you’re like ‘UwU no please don’t say I’m sheeping and being a parrot’

there was several more of these before this but I skipped it
Basically wordspam

@Kiiruma

At least one of you is mafia, probably not both… because there’s no way 2 town people are sharing a braincell and being just this wrong together lol

there is no evidence behind this

@Kiiruma

I know it’s possible 2 town are just sharing a braincell and are both equally wrong but I don’t believe it’s the case. I really don’t. I think something here is wrong

another gutread

@Kiiruma

‘Doing TMI as W as usual’

your more likely to have AtE/horrible reasoning as wolf, from trying to misleading others or just trying to appear in your townmeta and overplaying it

@Kiiruma

Well since Hippo is town… would ya like to unvote them now?
Since iirc you and Atlas were the 2 votes on them

@Kiiruma

But… why would you not when Hip is only W with those 2 and you don’t think that’s the case?
Don’t make a reason to say Hip is T and then just stay with your vote on them… tf?

This isn’t as urgent as your making it out to be

@Kiiruma

Are you afraid of committing? Or just trying to look good to me?

no offense but
If someone is trying to look good to you they’re probably trying to pocket you, which you said you disagree with in the same post

@Kiiruma

It’s not necessarily scummy

@Kiiruma

Honestly, once again, no offence but you’re pissing me the fuck off, so how about you do actually leave as you said you would.

Don’t let the door hit you

ate. some was said earlier but I forgot to quote it

@Kiiruma

I don’t exactly plan to be LHF the entire time, let’s be honest here.
I’ve already given a T on Hip and a (likely) W/T tinfoil between GGhana and Geyde.

this doesn’t attribute to you being lhf as much as you think it might

@Kiiruma

If yall are so desperate to flip T me, then yall can fucking feel free x

ate

@Kiiruma

Alright so that’s 2 lost cause votes on me already. Good to know

ate

@Kiiruma

Holy fuck yall are dense pricks sometimes, huh?

ate

@Kiiruma

Because I don’t know or care enough to think if you’re town tbh with you.
Nor do I feel any sense that I want to appeal to you

ate

@Kiiruma

In fact, not only do I not wish to appeal to yall.
I’d rather act like many of you guys are just… not even in the game.

ate

@Kiiruma

You’re not the first person who’s shown little to no reasoning on me already.
And it feels like I’m just being picked on again so I don’t exactly know what to say or do tbh with you.

So like, I’d love to care enough to work out if yall are town or wolf but just think for a second if W me honestly just gives so little fucks to this nonsense right now and come to your own conclusions.

ate
there’s like twenty more of these I’m not gonna copy them at this moment

@Kiiruma

I haven’t fully read Trochi. From what I saw in thread when Trochi was around I was underwhelmed but it doesn’t say town or scum because like they’re like hedging

where did this come from
passing all of the ate (from posts 41-60, I believe)

@Kiiruma

Arctic and Blizer were both just being dicks when I was clearly already provoked pretty hard.

People pushing you for at least decent reasons isn’t being a dick, and getting mad and insulting them all isn’t going to make them stop

@Kiiruma

Min, friend. I don’t think you understand that 1 fucking person on me had ‘reasons’ to be on me.
A single one.

this is just wrong

@Kiiruma

Ok, Geyde, please just answer me here.
If you are town and you think others won’t vote me or anything else akin to it, then why would you think a D1 execution is like… vital anyway?

Isn’t it worse to execute town than just… no execute

This was explained later, info exe is worth more than no exe at this stage

@Kiiruma

Is it better to kill 1 town member than nobody? Is there any sort of benefit to mis-exe’ing over no-exe’ing

I mean, we don’t know they’re town. We just have to assume that they (you, who are using this to your defense) has a probability of being maf and giving us some info

@Kiiruma

I don’t care if I make the entire game hate me.
When I see someone hurting that I care about, I’m going to fight for them, I’m going to show them someone cares.

Sure I’m talking big for someone who just gets pissed off and flips the handle for others picking on me, but I don’t care. How I treat others due to how they treat me… doesn’t affect how I’ll treat others for how they treat a friend.

You’re town and you’re not going down

this is big pockety

@Kiiruma

Feel free to because this isn’t happening.
Geyde doesn’t do this as a wolf.
Geyde’s hurting but this is town Geyde and I believe in that fully

same here

@Kiiruma

I’m degrading Geyde’s mental state, really?
I’m trying to help pick them up and if that’s how you see me then that’s fine.
As I said before, I’m fine with everyone hating me and seeing me as bad if I do what I think is the right thing to do.

same here
What were your reasons in the first place? You just stated that you didn’t mind people hating you and built a buddy buddy thing with geyde

@Kiiruma

I know that but I’m going to still care because I can.
Not because I want or need anyone’s approval to do so

this sounds really weird

@Kiiruma

Geyde literally talks to me sometimes on discord… cared enough to ask about my partner when it comes to FM and just like worked with me for a solution there.

This isn’t an explanation

@Kiiruma

Or no-exe’ing, like, no-exe’ing is a good option.
But like, I’m fine with that… or if I had to pick a current wagon, it’d be Amelia.
And if it couldn’t be either of the 2 other options then I’d just try and CFD someone, maybe GGhana

Didn’t you state earlier that you think gghana is dumb town

@Kiiruma

Just don’t go for Geyde after.

why
you never explained this
You came with it out of nowhere and just stuck with it

@Kiiruma

I mean, I literally don’t because I can read my rolecard.

Comments like this don’t help

For the clowns, the sillyheads, the buffoons:
His defense of Geyde/Hippo was bad and one wasn’t really explained, him going off on the massive AtE thing doesn’t make him look any better, and a lot of his comments are useless

[Atlas]

@Kiiruma

They’re reading me off what I did with Geyde.

i have a decent enough grasp on threadstate smh

[GGhana]

Oh no, look who happened to be awake because my sleep schedules gotten FUCKED

I find it very interesting that you’re using me voting geyde and then you again to shade me, this is very interesting because

1: There is no reason that me wolfreading you had practically any basis on my opinion of Geyde’s alignment, so this is a complete non sequitor to fake a flaw in my thought process when there isn’t

2: You flat out lied about the reasons for why I wagoned you again, Geyde said that the only two options were either him or Jake, I questioned why you weren’t an option, and with the votes you were. Again how is this fact relevant at all

3: ratiod

[GGhana]

@Atlas

where did this come from

pretty sure AT asked for their opinion on trochi

[Atlas]

He didn’t reply to anything though