Enemy Within (Deus Ex 5) 10/18 - Town/NSF Victory

[Arctic]

which game was this? i tend to say that a lot.

[GGhana]

my take right now is deciding on which or kiiruma to kill

at pros:

just off of a game state read is likely to flip mafia

if they flip town I won’t get policied immediately

at cons:

i don’t actually have a strong feeling about them flipping wolf cause their iso is hot gas

kiiruma pros:

i actually have good reasons to wolfread their slot

if they flip wolf I’ll be towncleared

kiiruma cons:

if they flip town I’ll get bullied and might be executed

decisions decisions

[Wazza]

Ciconia

[Arctic]

@Blizer

@JakeTheWolfie

Ghana just gives off NK vibes, ya know?

We probably shouldn’t delve too deep into who might or might not be NK here, though.

@JakeTheWolfie

Honestly, I don’t have any spicy takes. Possibly the most spiciest takes I have are that Geyde isn’t Mafia and Ghana is NK

this is it @Trochilidae

thing this just singlehandedly spews gghana town from jake lol
imagine making your only two reads on partners and also having one of them a NK read

Enemy Within (Deus Ex 5) 13/18 - Day 3

some of the quotes, but they link to the game he feels more natural and vibes more with the thread than in here fmpov

blizer clearly did his homework for this push (i copied the link instead of quoting because i knew it would be a mess, hopefully it still works)
there is nothing that feels like he knew what jake’s alignment was beforehand

@Blizer

Again, from what i said earlier, this game’s opener is more of an outlier compared to the other 3, but i feel like it’s looking a bit more like his wolf game intro a bit more tbh, because the town-games he got into a move solvy mindset, while his wolf game was more mech and some shading, while he hasnt done, he just feels frozen in progression rn

@Blizer

Reasons for my Seth-Jake W/W tinfoil:

Seth slapped Jake with a villager (Willager) town read on his slot, while jake on the other hand, with no progression nor any explanation slapped a wolf read onto seth. I kinda think this is distancing from both sides tbh, Seth with his villager read on jake with their behaviour, explaning how no matter what they do the slot will always be wolfy, and again, jake no explanation on the slot.

My other reason to why is that Seth is pushing me to be executed (Along with amelia) today, because our slots can help solve the game, even though he has no actual read on my slot (I dont remember him even giving me a wolf read, he just put me in his lower PoE). The reason why i think this is noticeable is because out of everyone who has been wolfreading Jake so far, ive been the one that has been pushing him the most, and i actually did a meta dive on jake aswell, comparing past games to now. This could be confbias, but i feel like seth is soft-defending Jake by pushing me to be the yeet today so that pressure from my slot is gone from his wolf buddy

again, i think im getting into confbias terriory with this tinfoil a bit, but i feel like they have some w/w equity if jake is a wolf tbh

this is also just a really good post
the read builds on things blizer was noticing earlier in the game but that he didn’t immediately point it, which show he is posting to advance the game rather than to be townread, otherwise he would have posted them as soon as he had them

@Blizer

comparing amelia to CoC 1, some simialrities to it, but she has been awakard with trying to find her footing in thread, which has been said a couple of times

I prefer jake over amelia tbh

shuts down free possible amelia wagon

@Blizer

So i know your pushing for youself cause you believe the most info comes from your slot flipping in terms of info but like

why not try to push for your wolfreads, or jake/kii

if we need to get an exe, ill vote you, but i would rather try to push over Jake then you rn

don’t think wolf blizer calls out wolf geyde’s plan to sacrifice himself to save third partner jake
lol

@Blizer

you know

something i kinda noticed now looking back at Geyde’s iso and something that is now kinda wolfy looking back at it

he engaged quite a bit with gghana and he kinda egge’d them on to continue to shit post and fill up thread, which changed threadstate away from him, as it allowed him to find proper positioning in thread, as he was getting wolfread before, and it allowed him to reset his approach tbh

maybe thats me seeing too much, but it think thats a really good look for GGhana regardless tbh

very nuanced read, he’s reaching to clear gghana here which is prob unlikely for a wolf 2 teammates down to be doing?

@Blizer

you know im gonna bring up something, because i think this is actually kinda important to the convo

i saw this earlier from geyde, and i actually think its worth discussing about tbh

@Blizer what was this
you didn’t post anything after it lol

@Blizer

honestly wagonomics day 1 pointed to wolves being off wagon

which geyde was and he was a wolf so uh

yeah lmao

can you expand on this
my reads generally align with this being the case but also like
it feels wrong

there’s literally nothing wrong with this slot and i dont know why i wasted my time looking at it
i don’t think i’d really touch it until lylo

[Arctic]

i forgot why this is relevant
i imagine i actually had some wolves in that poe

[Arctic]

what are the rulings on asking people outside of the game for meta on players in this game

is this legal

[GGhana]

probably not cause you’re discussing a game outside of the thread

[Blizer]

@Arctic

@Blizer what was this
you didn’t post anything after it lol

i thought i found something on geyde but it kinda was fluff and i forgot about it tbh, was busy with school and work

@Arctic

can you expand on this
my reads generally align with this being the case but also like
it feels wrong

I think that a good chunk of wolves were off wagon from a very basic wagonmic standpoint (Atno and eli were off wagon aswell, so thats not a good thing for either of them, GGhana actually looks better cause i dont think W!ghana goes with geyde onto kii there).

I do think a wolf likely jumped on the wagon to gain cred for jake flipping

which actually Kii tried to do earlier a bit when gghana and kii were interacting, and both of us called him out for his bullshit

outside of that, what makes it feel wrong for you?

[Trochilidae]

oh thanks for reminding me i still hadn’t done that yet i forgor
also good post and good point

[Arctic]

@Blizer

I think that a good chunk of wolves were off wagon from a very basic wagonmic standpoint

when it was believed to be plurality, i think wolves probably accepted very quickly that geyde or jake was going to die today, so why do you think this is the case?

@Blizer

I do think a wolf likely jumped on the wagon to gain cred for jake flipping

which actually Kii tried to do earlier a bit when gghana and kii were interacting, and both of us called him out for his bullshit

something i remembered is that once thread got unlocked briefly and we believed for a moment the day hadn’t actually ended, kiiruma said to me “quickly someone unvote”
i feel like this means something but i don’t know what
on one hand it seems fake asf because the alternative was him dying - which idk why he would want this to happen unless he was a wolf trying to do a similar thing to geyde (which would be hilarious lol)
but on the other hand i don’t think telling someone to try and save their partner who is still obviously flipping is really within kiiruma’s scumrange

[Arctic]

@ATNoName think you should probably claim, idk what use it is but it also isn’t going to hurt

[Blizer]

@Arctic

when it was believed to be plurality, i think wolves probably accepted very quickly that geyde or jake was going to die today, so why do you think this is the case?

Maybe one more did jump onto the jake wagon IF they were online to vote him (Remember we had a shitty EoD time for alot of people, some were not all online)

But i did state thats a very surface level wagonmics take

wouldnt shock me if the other 2 wolves did jump on, but that imo points to like

Kii/Wazza or min/wazza if thats the case, but i do think another wolf is off the wagon, which is think points to Atno mainly, if not, then eli i suppose.

[Isolde]

@Arctic

if atno/wazza/kiiru contains 0 this game is gonna be hard

It just might be if it’s GGhana and Blizer.

[Isolde]

@Blizer

@Arctic

when it was believed to be plurality, i think wolves probably accepted very quickly that geyde or jake was going to die today, so why do you think this is the case?

Maybe one more did jump onto the jake wagon IF they were online to vote him (Remember we had a shitty EoD time for alot of people, some were not all online)

But i did state thats a very surface level wagonmics take

wouldnt shock me if the other 2 wolves did jump on, but that imo points to like

Kii/Wazza or min/wazza if thats the case, but i do think another wolf is off the wagon, which is think points to Atno mainly, if not, then eli i suppose.

Eli is town, leave him alone!

[Arctic]

i doubt every wolf is offwagon

i think there has to be at least one on there

the one on the wagon is probably in min/kiiruma/wazza, if not both

a wolf off wagon is probably atnoname or eli

[Arctic]

i basically just said the same thing as you lmao

[Arctic]

I think the likelihood of where wolves are is probably something like

one off wagon one on wagon
both on wagon
both off wagon

which technically means it’s probably better to kill in someone who was on the wagon

[Arctic]

tbh idk how much it matters, i think both wolves are in min/kiiruma/wazza/atnoname/eli, and this poe wins

the kill should be between atnoname and kiiruma, like we decided earlier

kiiruma makes more sense from a wagonomics pov, socially idk - the slot is a mess, and mechanically idk since atnoname hasn’t claimed

[Trochilidae]

would yoink eli out due to moison similarity
would rather not kill kiiruma or min today at least
so yeah wazza or atno
and of the two atno
that was a lot of words for yeah i agree with atno

[GGhana]

can you explain all of these