FAM4: Thread 5 - Day 3

[Meuh]

Wait why though why would you trust me on this

[neil_the_eel]

because i can

[Meuh]

We were arguing and stuff
It’s a day ability btw I didn’t pick Sadbi at night

[Zugzwang]

here

ash posts

@Zugzwang

no

questioning was:

@Zugzwang

@Ash @May do you prefer the text or image based rolecards

(this is important)

@Ash

Text-based role cards are easier to parse, but image-base role cards are more interesting to share.

@Zugzwang

@Ash

Text-based role cards are easier to parse, but image-base role cards are more interesting to share.

which do you open when reading flips? @Ash

@Ash

The image-based first to see it, then the text-based one to understand what the role actually does.

@Zugzwang

nyaaaaaaaaaaa ok then how did you not realize you were a role until way later

@Ash

I didn’t open SPF’s role until later; I was mainly focused on Tutuu flipping mafia.

@Zugzwang

tutuu flipped mafia at eod1 though?

if you mean Silviu - yes, Silviu flipped mafia, but how do you know spf wasn’t also mafia

@Ash

I don’t remember, Zug; I just remember processing that SPF was town and then realizing that they were me when I went back to see what their role did.

basically, the idea is that w!Ash didn’t open the flips till later, because he knew the alignments. And then contradicted himself while trying to explain this

the explicit contradiction is that in the 3rd to last post, Ash says he didn’t open SPF’s flip until later
whereas in the last post he saw they were town (therefore opening the flip) and only saw their avatar later, when looking for what spf’s role was

@Zugzwang

@Dum

@Zugzwang

the explicit contradiction is that in the 3rd to last post, Ash says he didn’t open SPF’s flip until later
whereas in the last post he saw they were town (therefore opening the flip) and only saw their avatar later, when looking for what spf’s role was

[WOLFY POST COVER]
Devils advocate: It’s entirely possible ash thinks that’s what happened but actually did something else. I have been known to half hazardly skim flips and do bullshit like this and then look like an idiot later when it’s obvious my version of things (which im fucking convinced is true) makes no sense.
[WOLFY POST COVER]

yeah this is why I’m asking thread (rather than tunneling)
sometimes when digging deep enough into people’s actions, they’ll contradict themselves as town (this happened when I questioned Kii in Stellaris endgame)

If they did actually do this as town, I get the assumption they made here being possible:

@Ash

I understand the logic, and I don’t have much of a response to that aside from me just making an assumption about my logic based on remembering myself seeing SPF as town, then realizing they were me when I went back to read their role.

since, today, the alignments were on the outside of the flips.

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But also, that still leaves the fact that, if town, they opened the rolecard without noticing it was their own role. Even with bright blue pfp (though it is pretty small there. which is where a lot of my doubt rn is coming from)

Also, though they claim they were focused on tutuu (presumably intended to say silviu’s) wolf flip, they don’t say anything about that before going back to view the flips:

links

FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #13 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #23 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #53 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #74 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #106 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #117 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #180 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #199 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #221 by Ash
(looks at the roles before making the last post)

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idk how to read the fact they mixed up tutuu with silviu
I could see it as “W!Ash is flustered, and mixes something up as a result”
I can also see it as “T!Ash doesn’t remember which wolves died as well”

@Zugzwang

nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I have read too many Ash posts

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from Combinatorics mafia with W!Ash:

@Ash

Realizing now that Beancat was cleared D1. Me when game mechanics.

@Zugzwang

ok what
how do you miss that

@Ash

I do not know. I remember that the final vote changed between when I left and when I returned, but I can’t tell you off the top of my head what the D1 vote was.

in this last post there’s like. a certain tone there

Which feels like the tone here:

@Ash

I don’t remember, Zug; I just remember processing that SPF was town and then realizing that they were me when I went back to see what their role did.

And I don’t get this tone while looking over their posts in The Chancellor’s Palace (stellaris neighborhood with Me, Cape, and Ash, (and hosts)) where we me/cape were killing Ash.

And in the end of Ash’s posting in Stellaris’ main thread (ie, EOD3):

@Ash

@Zugzwang

we are never killing brad

Brad is mafia. I’m going to end up flipping town, and I need you all to kill him.

@Ash

He is. I am a one shot vig. He is an infinite vig. There is no way both of those abilities exists in the same game.

@Ash

May, listen to me.
If Cape is mafia, he will pick someone other than me and kill them in the night with a mafia pal.
In the morning, the gladiate will come down to the two of us, and we will flip town.
Gladiate Brad. When I flip town in the morning, we actually will be able to win.

these are the closest posts with a similar tone
but I still think they’re fairly distinct

The ones from here and Combinatorics, have like. A careful tone. It feels like Ash is trying and failing to walk on eggshells without breaking them

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other than that - Ash did post a lot less in Combinatorics when compared to Stellaris, but Ash was quite busy in Combinatorics so I don’t trust that

from first impressions (didn’t count things yet) - I get that Ash’s read density was higher in Stellaris than Combinatorics
though realistically I should be comparing Stellaris vs this game, again because of Ash’s business during Combinatorics

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ignoring meta for a bit

@Ash

Still trying to wrap my head around the fact that there’s, like, 18-20 wolves in this game.
Like, that’s an entire game worth of wolves in this one mash.

initially I felt this was fake, and therefore performative
but I can kinda see it as real

there’s… also actually an argument of “wow, there’s 18-20 wolves in this game, what are they all doing? why aren’t my wolfmates playing”
I think this is actually the best explanation

probably shooting him in ITAs

[Meuh]

I guess we take those!

[Yawn]

For only the low cost of you own life you may have mine.

We are in a good enough position that I don’t care too much.

[Zugzwang]

@neil_the_eel

bronano

male version of bronana??

[neil_the_eel]

ash/hazzy/lucid/meme/meuh
→
hazzy/lucid/meme/meuh/ash (kinda ordered)
v
thoughts now preffered on hazzy/lucid and i also remembered that carbonated exists

[carbonated]

hi i exist

[neil_the_eel]

ok i like your case you can shoot ash

[neil_the_eel]

hi why are you townm

[Apocryphal]

Also Achro is simply just a slot that you read off of game state

He’s a powerwolf who’ll bus if it’s needed, but otherwise will keep his partners in his town reads. He does not plan on living long and prefers setting up a partner to go absolutely deep.

He’s probably town here considering that he has lazily pointed out a few wolves without much care in the world.

But I wouldn’t exactly be sad by him dying because y’know

It’s Achro

Man is always a paranoia read and the one time I smothered my paranoia despite familiarity with him I lost

[neil_the_eel]

rip apothau but at least all women were town gg women

[Apocryphal]

All women were town gg women

[Yawn]

the fact that I had to look up live player list to figure out hazzy is hazwardwaste is rather annoying.

I expect hazard, lucid and ash to flip villa.
and have no opinion on the other two.

(But I don’t really have better suggestions just an poe problem with a lot of dead wolves).

[FAMHost]

FAM 4: Battle for the Cookie Thread Day 3 Votecount

Votes	Wagon	Voters
10	Gorta	neil_the_eel, Apocryphal, ChaosNinjaGaming, Ash, Dum, Ari, ash4fun, dyachei, WindwardAway, Baudib1
6	Ash	an_gorta_slanktai, Atlas, Hazardwaste, Jane, Achromatic, Brakuren
3	Brakuren	CarrotyReaper, Zone_Q11, BradLand
2	Dum	Hallia, Meuh
1	Meuh	Millium
1	Artemis	bystander
1	Ranta	May
1	Achromatic	Jarek
1	ChaosNinjaGaming	Frostwolf103
20	Not Voting	beancat, carbonated, crazynuto, ElizaThePsycho, Ephemera, gori, Gorta, Jinrou, Kork, Lucid_Daydream, Marluna, Memekingpizza, Ranta, Selkie, SirDerpsAlot, Wazza, Yawn, Zugzwang, Artemis, Someone
4	Unrecognized	nutella (for benguinedparbecue), Creature (for Kelsier), Kanave (for kanyave), Ashlyn (for Unrecognized)

Raw VC for the plugin

Gorta (10): neil_the_eel, Apocryphal, ChaosNinjaGaming, Ash, Dum, Ari, ash4fun, dyachei, WindwardAway, Baudib1
Ash (6): an_gorta_slanktai, Atlas, Hazardwaste, Jane, Achromatic, Brakuren
Brakuren (3): CarrotyReaper, Zone_Q11, BradLand
Dum (2): Hallia, Meuh
Meuh (1): Millium
Artemis (1): bystander
Ranta (1): May
Achromatic (1): Jarek
ChaosNinjaGaming (1): Frostwolf103
benguinedparbecue (1): nutella
Kelsier (1): Creature
kanyave (1): Kanave
Unrecognized (1): Ashlyn

Not Voting (20): beancat, carbonated, crazynuto, ElizaThePsycho, Ephemera, gori, Gorta, Jinrou, Kork, Lucid_Daydream, Marluna, Memekingpizza, Ranta, Selkie, SirDerpsAlot, Wazza, Yawn, Zugzwang, Artemis, Someone

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[Apocryphal]

Sucks that you can’t make that read in a mash

Because it is very much statistically unlikely

[Dum]

is it just me or has the chat slowed down disproportionally to the ammount of people dead

[neil_the_eel]

anyways if ur in thread just dicking off go ISO a poe slot and solve their alignment bc i dont want to and i need breakfast

[Frostwolf103]

This is common when we killed lot of wolves