Flicker! FM - The Kidnapper Team Will Strike Again...

[May]

15 minutes to EoD, four people not voting, four on one-vote wagons. Great job, everyone. We’ve done it. We’ve lost at mafia.

[Atlas]

anyway
my stomach is killing me but that isn’t important
literally nothing has happened in the past 500 posts other than pointless bickering

[Memes]

Do not duh me, treat me with respect or i will policy you.

[May]

Not to say the game is already over, just to say that this EoD is so bad that everyone is a loser here.

[Zorvo]

I’ve already stated, you can read my posts.

Idk why your randomly showing O.kazo’s posts about Lemon.

[lol]

the three wagons that have more than one vote are all on town so that’s even funnier

[Memes]

Im not read your spam. Summarize or die

[Zorvo]

@Memes

Do not duh me, treat me with respect or i will policy you.

I mean it should be obvious no?
You just brought up a random NAI post that I haven’t even talked about at all.

[O.kazo]

1. @lol
   Townie
2. @Phraze
   Skip
3. @Zorvo
   Scummy
4. @O.kazo
   Obvious scum
5. @Lemonfairy
   Wolf/stray town
6. @May
   They posted way to much.
7. @sillykitty2366
8. @Neon
   I think these two are the same aligment.
9. @Jarek
   Ehh. Skip.
10. @Leafia
    Townie
11. @Memes
    Skip
12. @DirectorHail
    LHF
13. @Magnus
    Townie
14. @Jaiden
    The other one with too much post.
15. @Atlas
    Skip

Skip means It’s either a nullread, or I have a non-confident read on them.

[Zorvo]

@Memes

Im not read your spam. Summarize or die

“Spam”
Ouch that hurt.

[Memes]

Randomly?

I suspect there is a wolf between you, lemon and Magnus, ive been clear about that

[Atlas]

anyway
can we settle wagons 10 minutes before eod and not at the literal last second
im about to collapse

[Host_Account_1]

Zorvo (3): May, sillykitty2366, Memes
O.kazo (3): Jaiden, Zorvo, Neon
sillykitty2366 (2): Leafia, Phraze
Magnus (1): Lemonfairy
Memes (1): Magnus
Jarek (1): lol

Not Voting (4): Atlas, DirectorHail, O.kazo, Jarek

[Zorvo]

@Zorvo

Vig SillyKitty or Cop SillyKitty.

If SillyKitty is town which I don’t think there is anyway they are but if it is somehow in someway possible I’d check Okazo although I still think Okazo can be aligned with SK just to a lower extent then not be aligned.

May I think could be a wolf and shares basic wolf equity and same with Hail.

@Memes

[Neon]

@DirectorHail

Looked through his posts and I agree, saying a lot without saying anything. Stating a few opinions here and there on others people alignments but nothing with very good meaning. Going to put my vote on him for now, will retract it if something else arises.

Noted

@DirectorHail

Noticed a lot of suspicion on Neon and read through her posts, seems like she’s fully expecting to die. In my, admittedly limited experience, it’s not town like to give up when town still has a chance of winning, more often then not it’s the evils who fold when under a lot of pressure. Usually townies will defend their case to the end unless their death actually helps town which isn’t the case, because it’s the start of the game.

@DirectorHail

Neon I don’t intend to vote you out today or tunnel vision you. Just to me personally you behaviour is coming across more wolf then town, but that could change. I haven’t played with anyone here

First thing I find rather scummy directly before this Hail is shading me. Implying I’m an evil and pushing into it before saying I’m not going to hit you today though. Why would you not entertain a lim on someone you think is being scummy. It’s early game. Arguably to early to make sweeping statements. Scummy yes or no?

@DirectorHail

Also you seem extremely frustrated. Figured I’d point it out since I don’t know what to think of it yet. I’d be frustrated in your position if I was town though so you got that going for you in my book, doesn’t mean your not wolf though.

Same post calls my frustration town. Wishy washy. Hedging on my slot. Shading me refusing to push covering their bases for when I flip town.

@Magnus

Okay.
If I was evil, I would’ve thoroughly derailed the thread enough that I’m probably never dying today.
Instead of continuing this argument, are there any new reads you have, preferably without repeating someone else?
@Lemonfairy any reads now?

@DirectorHail

Don’t think he was replying to anything, from my current understanding he got this thread going and was simply pointing that out. He either wouldn’t of if he was evil or he would attempt to derail the thread which he presumably hasn’t, although I can’t tell if this threat is derailed.

I’ve heard a lot of people use this same logic hail is to TR magnus. I think my main problem here is Hail just word for word repeated Magnus saying “as evil I’d try to detail the thread”

Why? Its early how did derailing the thread this early into the game benefit evil. Why is that the only option?

@Zorvo

Is there a reason you don’t intend to vote Neon?

@DirectorHail

They already had a lot of pressure on them and they seemed to be getting very frustrated with all the suspicion on them, that being said keeping the pressure on would’ve probably been a better idea but I didn’t wanna push it. My vote is currently on Lemonfairy.

Hedgy. “Neon had to much pressure”

" Yeah shouldn’t have done that should’ve pushed Neon"

@Lemonfairy

Lol.
Yeah they should have said “in your position”.
Could be a perspective slip but I think it’s probably just the bad usage of word.

@DirectorHail

Didn’t realise it before but It was just bad word usage. I meant that as town I would be very frustrated if I had alot of doubt cast on me. More or less I was saying that the frustration seemed like a normal reaction to all the suspicion and wasn’t nessacarily wolf like.

W/W equity.

@DirectorHail

and somewhat wolfleaning Neon and Lemonfairy.

@DirectorHail

To my explain my behaviour here I honestly did feel a little bit bad for neon since I know what it’s like to get hard doubt from town as a townie. That’s just my town of Salem experience kicking in which is not relevant here. Still voting Lemonfairy for now due to saying a lot without saying anything.

Scum leaning me still. But still hedging on my slot while voting Lemon. Kind of feel this is a set up to move onto me and off Lemon maybe? Either way very very Hedgy on my slot.

@Atlas

lemon did nothing randomly claimed pr and left

@DirectorHail

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on Lemon.

Neon definitely came across as wolflean to me earlier but his more recent posts seem a bit more genuine besides the memes he keeps posting which does seem to be a bit excessive, however this could just be the norm for them i’ve never played with them. As for Silly and Lea I’m gonna be honest I got no clue yet, I’ll have to ISO because things were going by so fast for me.

Edit: I default to He/Him pronouns so often, it’s a bad habit

I wanted to note that the scum lean on me persisted until general consensus fell off me. Still shades my early game but now that I’m not being read scum by everyone else Hail follows the leader. Probably means nothing since this was common progression on my slot but may be too afraid to keep shading me. Atlas at least kept relatively reasonable progression on me.

@DirectorHail

I really wanna claim rn but I know that’s just my ToS habits kicking in. I will probably end up claiming in the next few days though, based off my current behaviour I’ll be the first to admit it’s not best for town to have me in the endgame.

Why would you claim… nobody is even pushing youuuuuu

@Magnus

The all-important vanilla townie

@DirectorHail

No comment.

Intresting. Why would you ever need to claim VT with no pressure lol. Maybe I’m dumb. Weird interaction.

@DirectorHail

Besides, lemon is still suspicious anyway(unless i’ve missed something important). He just claimed PR under moderate pressure and left. If it comes to it, we can vote out lemon which should reveal more about Zorvo’s true alignment.

Intresting. “Lemon is sus claimed PR with limited pressure”

From the person who just said they were gonna claim with no pressure.

@Atlas

im trying to let lemon get a start in the game
because she seems like the type of person to sort of give up under pressure
which i prefer doesn’t happen if she’s town

@DirectorHail

I can understand that, I’m also new to this. It’d suck if they buckled under pressure, that being said, their initial behaviour was not town like to me.

Team of Hail/Atlas/Lemon

Probably not but I can see a world where scum Lemon told scum Hail to distance and scum Atlas is now giving Hail an out on the slot. Maybe.

@DirectorHail

Wagons are still all over the place, I personally recommend we get some reasons as to why who is voting who and try to sort all this out by EoD. As it stands, evil have 4 votes and could easily mislynch someone with how spread out town’s votes are rn.

I’m still personally voting Lemonfairy for the previously mentioned reasons, that being high post count little content and claiming PR in an unusual situation and then presumably leaving due to high pressure. I assume Magnus is doing the same thing

Vaguely feels trying to appear helpful towny by pushing for wagon consolidation easy town points. But it’s way to early fir
this to be needed.

@DirectorHail

It’s 3am rn, help.

I read back through the thread, skimming some unimportant posts. I must say I can’t come to the same conclusions everyone else is coming to. I tried my best but this stuff is really hard for me. Regardless, after reading back I’ll concede that my simple read on lemon was likely wrong and their recent posts have been a lot better, which discredits my original reasoning to begin with.

UNVOTE

Unvote with weak reasoning after repeatedly saying lemon is the play over and over. Weird flex but okay.

@DirectorHail

I’ll just jump on the Magnus wagon for now to mount pressure, my reasoning for this is currently I’m sheeping, going to ISO memes to actually formulate a semi original opinion.
Regardless, I think I should be in PoE. Not giving up, I genuinely think my presence will cause town trouble in the late game, I currently lack the Analytical skills to really prove my town alignment in any significant way.

VOTE: Magnus

Never mentioned Magnus now sheeping votes on Magnus

@DirectorHail

Having stated that, I might aswell just claim vanilla town now despite hinting it when Magnus ‘called me out’ on it earlier.

@DirectorHail

I’m going to try, I’m just simply warning you that I will most likely be a problem in the late game. If you don’t wanna PoE me I’m fine with that. Who knows, perhaps once people start dying and activity decrease’s I’ll actually be somewhat useful. Yes, I know that sounds scummy but I don’t know how else to say it.

Feels…AtE maybe. Keeps repeating this. “I’m not giving up but I need to die”

Kind of a contradiction to SRing me for similar ish things no?

@Zorvo

you especially since you did the “Lemon Town PR = Zorvo Wolf” thing.

@DirectorHail

My opinion on Lemon changed, his recent posts have been a lot more towny to me. That and my original reasoning just doesn’t hold up anymore so I can’t justify it. As for thinking your evil? Well I’m not sure I’m convinced of the t/w between lemon and you anymore, I’d have to ISO you in all honesty before I commit to this… suggestion of yours. Regardless not doing that now, it’s almost 3:50am for me.

Lemon Hail W/W change my mind.

@DirectorHail

I also skimmed through Magnus’s ISO and overall they’re townlean for me, not townlock though. Whilst some of his posts are wordy that’s just in his nature. Can’t townlock him since he did tunnel Lemon who is null to me rn, his reasoning in the beginning made sense if a bit simplistic, that and I thought the same thing about Lemon ‘having no content’.

I do find it suspicious that he’s continuing to push on Lemon after he claimed PR which outside of FM is a reasonable response to pressure, this logic only applies if Lemon plays more fast paced social deduction though. @Lemonfairy I’d like your take on this.

As to why I think he is townlean his reasoning does hold up pretty well imo from tunnellers perspective, that and he got the thread going to begin with so unless he was trying to take control as mafia it comes across as towny to me.

UNVOTE

Decides to TL Magnus now pull off onto a no vote. I don’t think they ever vote again.

@DirectorHail

Doing some more reading now, if someone could summarise the wagon on Zorvo I’d greatly appreciate it. Gotta go in a bit so I don’t have time for like 5 more ISO’s, will probs end up putting my vote on Zorvo since they requested to be voted from my knowledge.

@DirectorHail

I’ll leave by stating that I’m aware I’m LHF, as to why I wasn’t very active today again I was busy having fun with online friends. Wish I had more time to ISO but I don’t, I’ll do some more reading during the night phase and try to contribute more D2, GL everyone!

Will vote Zorvo. Jk I guess imma miss EoD but I won’t do this thing I said

VOTE: DirectorHail

[lol]

VOTE: Atlas

[lol]

VOTE: DirectorHail
finally

[lol]

im really bad at cases

[Zorvo]

@lol

the three wagons that have more than one vote are all on town so that’s even funnier

Um why is SK and O.Kazo town?
I think that’s bad read.

[Neon]

Sheep me for great glory