You seriously want to send a very likely wolf to Heaven?
rid i mntion im a little high sorry
what do you think of Mittens?
yeah I mean
I donāt agree with Leafiaās reasons for thinking Soweli shouldnāt be pushing her after EOD1, but I donāt think theyāre too out there
They seem to parallel the same issue Leafia had in Wrogn 2, where she gives too much weight to late votes that probably arenāt going to change the outcome
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Likely to be town at this point. Theyāre the only one besides myself that Iād be willing to send to Heaven at this point.
Also, doing this now because Iām not letting an obvious wolf get into Heaven. A villager just doesnāt play how Soweli has been playing. VOTE: Mittens
I have something in mind thbthbthtbhtbhtb but Iāll wait to see if it happens
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ah
yeah this was what I had in mind
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You think Mittens is wrong in his read? What parts do you think he is wrong on?
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It is a placeholder vote nevermind
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Heaven Phase 1 Votecount
Mittens (3): soweli, pandora, Leafia
soweli (3): Mittens, beancat, Chomps
Memekingpizza (1): Memekingpizza
Not Voting (1): childe
I think we can solve this without Mittens surely the game wonāt be thrown into paranoia and TvT wars
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also they specifically want it so
VOTE: Mittens
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Worst comes to worst, weāll be in heaven to help with judgement day
Which does matter a lot - I mathed out earlier that the accuracy of the martyrs in heaven makes a huge impact on how likely town is to win
Anyway I should probably prepare a legacy now - unfortunately Magnus has not appeared, though perhaps they will before EOD
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Theyāre definitely wrong about Soweli being town. Soweli has been needlessly throwing shade on me this entire game.
no u
I just hope my tinfoil of the team being Mittens, Soweli, and Chomps is wrong.
Zug legacy
I would like to preface this by saying that, as this is all made after only 48 hours and 400 posts, I wouldnāt take this as pure gospel or anything. I do think it makes for a decent starting point though.
Soweli I outlined my reasons for townreading in 194:
These still hold IMO. I donāt think Soweliās push on Leafia is wolfy, because ultimately in a W!Frink world, he likely knew he wouldnāt actually successfully start a new wagon, so itās for appearances primarily - this, it is reasonable for T!Soweli to believe.
Leafia I was initially fairly confident in - I felt her low postcount (this is a pretty strong towntell for her) and the way she handled Chomps earlygame (where she didnāt get in a big fight with Chomps - such aggression is a wolftell for her) to be towny. Iām less certain now that I see the argument with Soweli, but such an argument is definitely at least within T!Leafiaās range of aggression - in Wrogn 2, for example, T!Leafia hard-tunneled Creature earlygame, and then Marluna lategame.
Her progression currently makes enough sense - I have been told that a very good way of reading Leafia is to have her walk through her reads, figure out what her worldview is, and then judge whether that makes sense. To be clear, this isnāt asking whether it makes sense as in āeverything logically follows completely and is 100% sensibleā, but makes sense as a thing Leafia could believe. I would advise trying to use this method to read Leafia as the game progresses.
Chomps I initially townread primarily for choosing not to take the free hydra push, and Meme I (and Magnus) initially townread for discovering ideas about the setup during early D1. Iām less confident about these reads now, and I think if Frink is a wolf, that pairing heavily outweighs these - but I wouldnāt give them 0 weight.
I think Meme should explain his progression near EOD in detail, by the way - I have earlier been asking why Meme chose not to vote Frink despite finding his EOD wolfy, and I canāt extract enough about how Memeās reads progressed to determine if this makes sense.
Pandora is hard-unpaired from Frink - otherwise I donāt get much out of their ISO. I would try to find relevant Mayposts about reading Pandora, but I donāt have time here.
Childe/Beancat are hard to read and null-ish for me at present.
I think Frinkās actions at EOD donāt make sense from a town perspective, and do make some sense (though not that much sense) from a wolf perspective (unless theyāre partnered with Beancat, of course). I think they >rand (and also >50%) a wolf, but I could see that being wrong.
To summarize:
Town:
Soweli (unpaired with Frink)
Leafia
Lean/light town:
Chomps (potentially paired with Frink, unpaired with beancat)
Meme (potentially paired with Frink, unpaired with beancat)
Null:
childe
Pandora (unpaired with Frink)
Beancat (makes sense with W!Frink tbf)
Wolfy:
Frink
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Anyway - after Hell phase 2, should the game not be over, either everyone in the first 3 will be confirmed town, or weāll know thereās 1 wolf in hell (or you can tinfoil that Iām a wolf in heaven, of course)
I strongly recommend looking at pairings and building worlds - I think thatās the strongest way to solve this. Flips are very important in a usual game, and once we move far enough, weāll have some level of flips to work with.
If it turns out that we hit judgement day, either now or later - please give us things to work with. Explain your progressions, question other peopleās progressions, build teams - yes, youāre not the ones voting, but we canāt ask any questions ourselves, so you have to do that for us. Demonstrate youāre town, and find the wolves.
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