[Game End 2/13] Diamond Arc Crossing - Town Wins by Sorc Moment

[Universal]

@Oricorio

I’ll Vote: Kiimura to get things started. Most of their contributions so far have been fluffy, and out of everyone who posted thus far their posts stand out to me the least. I don’t think anyone really asked for their glossaries.

@Oricorio

I mean, little has gotten done despite 200+ posts in a handful of hours. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the scum were fluffposting.

@Oricorio

Considering that 5 people have yet to show up, the probability of scum having shown up by now is around 95% if my calaculations are correct. But if you feel scum has posted already, then who are they?

@clonedcheese

wallpost of catchup

Summary

@Leafia

After two scumgames where I’ve shown how much I’ve improved as a wolf, anyone townreading me at anytime D1 will be put in my PoE.

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@Sharklifter

your evil though (i got you with the surprise!!! now its productive)

@WindwardAway

oh no, i’ve been accused!!11!1! send help!

I don’t like this interaction taking up like 100 posts

@Leafia

I’m willing to say that Wind and Shark aren’t W/W based on the conversation they’re having here. It just feels like one they’d have in the wolfchat if they were both wolves.

Incorrect conclusion
Why the hell would you have this banter in scumchat if you can have it in main chat
The discussion itself is frivolous

@WindwardAway

i would definitely have this conversation in the main thread just to fill it up with fluff and also make myself look productive while actively doing nothing

This
+1 brownie points to Windward for pointing it out

@Sharklifter

thanks other mafia buddy?!?!

M
disliking this more by the hour

@WindwardAway

I’m keeping an eye on two of the players who were fairly early in showing up to the thread

@WindwardAway

Fine… Kiiruma and clonedcheese

Good point to start, “they existed early so maybe scum” is a thought

in response we get:

@Kiiruma

I’d like you to reply with your reasoning on both suspicions.

What’s the other suspicion?
The “why the glossary” suspicion did not come from Windward, seeing as to how they added to the glossary itself. It came from leetic

@Kiiruma

I know I don’t usually vibe and chill (and even joke a bit) plus the fact that I did the glossary of stuff feels like I might be trying to get newbies on my side but in all honesty I just want a nice start to the game and at some point I was going to do a glossary.

But since I was around at start of day, instead of having to worry about my voice being lost or me kinda just not doing it due to other things going on, I found that it was an alright opportunity.

This long-winded response tries to justify both their activity at the start of day and their glossary, but in a weird way. Both of those things are, at the end of the day, NAI; those are very rudimentary accusations that can just be brushed over. However, Kiiruma responds here with “I know I don’t do this a lot”, in which I believe the guilty self-awareness comes through.
in case you’re wondering, yes I’m trying to practice for the 400 words

@WindwardAway

I like how nobody gave feedback on what I said about Leafia’s vote on me

@WindwardAway

Like really

Where does this come from

It’s right after I actually wrote something semi-useful (I think)

Narcicissm along the lines of LAMIST
dislike

@WindwardAway

clonedcheese I would like to say had some questionable logic on VooDooSh, but I think in every game I have trouble understanding where his reads come from.

@WindwardAway

cloned continuing to be suspicious of Voodoo even after that is a little questionable.

Felt like a bad derpclear attempt to me and I didn’t like it
I’ve got nothing else on that front

/vote Kiiruma @Host-Account-3

TL;DR: I didn’t like their self-aware defense. Still think leetic’s scumread of them for fluff is more suited for shark

available for questioning

@clonedcheese

Realized that doing this in bed is prob better

Kiiruma

@Kiiruma

Wind’s my strongest TR and scumread(?) honestly cloned.

But I don’t know how to read cloned too well so I could just be misreading em

@Kiiruma

/Vote Clonedcheese @Host-Account-3

Voting now because I feel like I could conk out any second tbh

A very hedgy, almost OMGUS vote. The attitude i feel here is "i dont have any scumreads"and they’re forcing themselves to have one on me

@Kiiruma

I didn’t really do anything between these 2 posts, like a few posts but all of a sudden I’ve went from ‘fluff’ to a ‘self aware wolf’ because I… remember the game which you @WindwardAway had used to remember that I can just vibe in thread as a wolf and I discussed it a bit

This is probably the most damning thing from Kiiruma
“I didnt really do anything” is a pretty big strawman here, seeing as how my accusation on them rests on the posts afterwards

@Kiiruma

Well I look forward to talking this through with you. We might end up both getting each other as town if it goes well x3 For now we’re tete-a-tete

This was just now so i take back the “most damning” portion from their last post and give it to this one
However strong it is, their strongest scumread is trying to kill them here, and their response is “we might seeing each other as town” which is 1) definitely not an innocent mindset and 2) TMI on my alignment.
This dies

TL;DR: weak reads, strawman, guilty mindset.

Should not live today

Here

[Universal]

I already explained it but essentially here are the teams in my mind (possible ones)

Wind, Leetic, Sharklifter

Leetic, YWB, Sharklifter

Leetic, YWB, Wind

It was formatted badly but in the post where I put it I explained how it can work both ways

[YoubutWorse]

So who do you want to die today considering leetic isnt here and i am about to blow

[Dum]

theres 3 posts from leetic there. one is supporting my pov that they wanted more activity. “its been 200 posts but nothing has been done” one is not even a proper scumread, its a day 1 RSV vote. its one of the first things they did, and its pretty standard, you pick someone being slighly and i do mean SLIGHLY less townie. the final one is unrelated and just saying at least one scum has probably posted. and that was probably true. even if all 3 scum had already posted, getting more content from non posters would still be townie.

[Universal]

Like I said I was looking more into Wind since their reasoning for D1 was atrocious and their playstyle thus far has weakened. I even told this to Wind themselves in a post above.

[Dum]

explain shark to me again.

[Universal]

Leetic voted for Kiiruma because of their self-awareness, something that they even considered to be mafia-y and it wasn’t a random vote considering that Cheese also picked up on this. They were growing a wagon and Leetic abandoned it for going after inactives and didn’t even bother resurrecting it since their vote was outside of the town wagons. They even admitted to it in D2 saying that the result was their failure.

[Universal]

It comes from a mix of their presence barely being noticeable despite typing so much and their interactions with Wind/Leetic. Like I said this is a GTH and my team isn’t finalized yet, these are the players that came out to me as most likely to be mafia and I was trying to see how their interactions would help clarify it.

[Dum]

alright. lets assume your right, they had a scumread on kiiruma.

kiiruma is literally one of the most townie people arround with their invention thingy

[Gorta]

I see

[Dum]

legit its their like 3rd or 4th game. thats to be expected

[Universal]

I never saw Kiiruma claim this ability in D1, which is when the vote took place. When I read Leetic’s ISO it just appeared that they voted on Kiiruma and then said “We need more activity” and began to go after inactives.

[Universal]

Also I don’t consider wishing for more activity to be townie. I had games as mafia where I basically just said “We need more activity” and left it at that. Voting outside of the town wagons I believe is more indicative rather than voting in them about mafia trying to go outside the flow.

[Dum]

yeah they didint, but are you actually suggesting kiiruma being hanged there would be better? also eveyrthing you have said to support your claims is day 1 stuff, wich is quite literally, the day where the stupidest shit happens since theres 0 info

[Gorta]

@YoubutWorse did you submit the action yet?

[Dum]

then we dissagree. more activity day 1 is good. also can you link those games to us? also how is just “going to the flow” and “agreeing with town” not more scummy to you? theres literally a word for that, its called coasting.

[YoubutWorse]

No why?

[Dum]

honestly, unless some good reason to not do it shows up, its probably the best thing you can do with the bomb

[Gorta]

ok, I want to look at things before weighing the options

[Universal]

I am not sure what Kiiruma’s slot is like because I haven’t done an ISO on them yet but in the end it would look better for Leetic since it shows that they had a natural thought progression and if they persecuted others would display consistency. Going from voting on self-awareness to voting inactives seemed like an easy jump that anyone can do, regardless of alignment. What caught my eye was how consistent they were and what development they had. Which to me came as nothing since they got stunlocked on it for 3 days and did motion for any feasible wagons.