[GAME THREAD 6/13] Risky Light Game: Featuring Rain - Day 4 - Mafia wonnered

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Voted	Voters	Votes
Professor	Aelin	1/7
Magnus	Trochilidae, Leafia, Thepigeonnyc	3/7
Thepigeonnyc	Professor, Frog	2/7
Bradland	clonedcheese, illwei, Magnus	3/7
Not Voting	Gorta, EliThePsycho, Bradland, Squirrel2412	4

– Insanity

[BradLand]

Okay…what in the fuck.

[BradLand]

Actually never mind.

[BradLand]

If I go over Day 1 kill Cheese on Day 2.

[Magnus]

Just vote me and I’ll have more votes against me than you have against you. It’s not suspicious if I’m already suspicious, you could either be jumping on a bandwagon as evil or scumreading me as Town, or preserving yourself as either alignment.

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[Magnus]

You know what, I’d rather /Vote ClonedCheese. At least I actually scumread Cloned for my own reads and analysis, unlike this vote.

[Gorta]

I like this post a lot, while I think Leafia is hard to read this post does make me think you have some town points

@Frog

Is there any way I can ask you for reads based not on reasons but feelings? Cheers Gorta!

do you mean based on reasons not feelings?

@Leafia

I’d love to see more from you and Gorta too. What are your reads so far Eli? You too Gorta. @Gorta

I don’t like Professor and I think Bradland has some town points

@BradLand

Gorta - 5 posts and most of it was reacting to Leafia having 5 votes.

now now, funny story, I got distracted. I haven’t played much FM reliably in months. A few games here and there, but I have to fall back into habits

[Gorta]

I really did have exactly 5 posts, but uh I don’t think it’s entirely necessary for people to list the number of posts they are on. You can always check your post count by clicking your own name and with good enough note keeping it shouldn’t be an issue

[Gorta]

I’ll try to generate more reads over night, but for now I’m just going to vote professor

[Gorta]

/vote Professor I simply don’t like this slot

[Gorta]

I’ll give y’all more tomorrow, but just give me a bit of time to get back into the FM mindset

[Leafia]

@Squirrel2412

already commented on this but

just want to reiterate that it’s absolutely hilarious and I don’t find it performative

Good to know that I’m nothe only one that fund that post hilarious.

I figure right now would be a good time to let everyone know where my head is at too

Leafia readslist

clonedcheese: Towncore as his RT that potentially caught Brad just doesn’t seem like something a wolf would do. I feel that a wolf woul argue that either their read was real or not say anything about it while using t as an opportunity to Shade and/or start a Brad push. This is the member of my towncore that I’m the least confident on.

Frog: Towncore: His solving has a villagery feel to it that I honestly like but the thing that cements him as a member of my towncore is how he stopped the push on me that was obviously wolf motivated. It’s something I can’t see a wolf ever doing when the wolves obviously wanted me to get yeeted there.

BradLand: Null. I’m notoriously bad at reading this slot and I tend to think he’s a wolf in every game. This game I think I’ll wait for some flips before attempting to read his slot. That should make it easier I think.

Aelin : Hmmmm, townlean: Shw has a thought process that I find villagery but also hasn’t’t done that much in the thread from what I recall. Still willing to townlean her for now though.

Squirrel2412: Null: I don’t recall enough from him to make a read on him.

illwei: Slight scumlean. I don’t really like his explaination for his read on me, but I can potentially see it coming from a.villager. I do find the fact that he hasn’t done anything with his read on me strange though. I’m not sure what to think of him dropping his read on me either.

Leafia: The member of the towncore I’m most confident in being a villager. Call me wolfy if you want for not explaining why, but I’m feeling a bit too lazy to do so. She’s branded town so many times in a row now too that I’m starting to doubt that she’ll everrand wolf ever again.

Magnus: Scumread although never w/w with Pugeon. Hi vote on me seemed super opportunistic and his explaination for it seemed like a wolf thing to backpedal.

Gorta: Null. Hasn’t really done anything of note yet.

EliThePsycho: Null. I honestly don’t remember much of anything from him. Maybe due to concentrating on other slots.

Professor: Towncore dependent on if I’m right about his identity or not. If it’s who I think it is, then the way they’re acting is a way they never act as a wolf and he’s very good at reading me.

thepigeonnyc: Scumread but never w/w with Magnus: The other one who almost got me yeeted. His posts have been terrible if he’s a villager and from past game with him, I know he’s capable of much better if he’s villager. Saying that, I feel that he’s squarely in his wolfmeta right now.

Trochilidae: Very slight wolf lean. On the surface their posts look fine but something just seems off about them that I can’t quite explain and it’s weirding me out. Like they’re trying a bit too hard to appeal to everyone without it seeming like they’re doing so. I couldhinestly see this flipping either way.

That being said, there’s a very slim chance that Magnus and Pigeon are both villagers so don’t just assume that the other one has to be a wolf if one of them flips villager.

[Leafia]

@Magnus

Just vote me and I’ll have more votes against me than you have against you. It’s not suspicious if I’m already suspicious, you could either be jumping on a bandwagon as evil or scumreading me as Town, or preserving yourself as either alignment.

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This

@Magnus

You know what, I’d rather /Vote ClonedCheese . At least I actually scumread Cloned for my own reads and analysis, unlike this vote.

And this honestly have a slightly villagery feel to them that I honestly like. I just feel like a wolf would be more concerned with survival here and not care who they are voting. Although there’s a possibility of Magnus/Brad being w/w as well, so it doesn’t improve how I see him too much.

[Leafia]

After Gorta’s recent posting, I’m willing to townlean him. It just sounded to me tha he’s eager to get to solving an just has a villagery feel to him that I like and his explaination makes a lot of sense.

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Voted	Voters	Votes
Professor	Aelin, Gorta	2/7
Magnus	Trochilidae, Leafia, Thepigeonnyc	3/7
Thepigeonnyc	Professor, Frog	2/7
Bradland	Clonedcheese, Illwei	2/7
Clonedcheese	Magnus	1/7
Not Voting	EliThePsycho, Bradland, Squirrel2412	3

– Insanity

[Professor]

@Trochilidae

i can easily see why a wolf would do this- either to be seen like they’re doing something and not simply taking up space in thread (like i mentioned earlier), or to appear carefree about what they do.

But you aren’t taking up space in the thread until you’ve posted something. This would apply if the player had other posts which were mostly fluff, however, if the intention were to appear to be doing something I think they would have waited for a time more desirable when they could leave a lasting impact.
Likewise, there’s a difference between being carefree and not caring about where you place your vote. What Magnus did is more of the latter, and I don’t know why he would want to portray this to the thread as a wolf.

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Unrelated to the above thoughts, the way Trochilidae is playing does not seem particularly natural. It feels like they have a checklist of things they feel obliged to do methodically rather than playing by discovery.

@Trochilidae

well, have you completed this process? also, i would prefer it if you acknowledged the rest of my post and answered the questions i posed.

i’m catching up to the rest of the thread currently, and i’m going to focus on Brad, pigeon, and Leafia in particular as i finish doing so, (and would appreciate if others talked with me as well about these).

the top of the head thoughts i’d like to expand on there:

understanding the Leafia case and getting a better knowledge of her meta, and on what specifically it applies here (with a focus on the early pileup and vote analysis).

on the subject of Leafia’s wagon analysis, the matter of pigeon. i most disliked the last two votes, and would care to talk with @thepigeonnyc himself for some real-time here.

and lastly, Brad. i remember he was liked earlier though- i don’t particularly understand why. cheese’s case requires a further look from me.

This does not look like someone trying to solve the game. It looks like someone trying to meet a criteria of what is expected of them.

Currently I think clonedcheese, thepigeonnyc and Trochilidae are the three players most likely to flip wolf. I am fine with killing any of these.

I saw someone complaining about wallposts, and just thought I would say that the reason behind it is to conserve postcount, however with the time remaining and how many posts I have left I suppose I can afford to make some lower volume posts. Will finish catching up in a series of posts.

[clonedcheese]

Narcissism time

@Aelin

it’s a textbook copout that i dont really buy, so a disagree here

This one isn’t really a valid argument if you know me
The arguments in my very first post (pre-“copout” if you will) were all uncharacteristically flimsy

@Aelin

cloned feels like he’s trying really hard to make sure people know he’s doing something without outright pointing people towards it
idrk if that makes sense but i dont like it

This is a valid but wrong criticism

@Squirrel2412

I misread the post as “idk why my brain is just screaming while I’m reading these”

which would indicate a headache

could be that cloned did too

I did not misread, but just went “oh your brain is screaming something? go take a break lol”

it was a joke and it’s absurd that someone tries to force a scumread out of it

@Squirrel2412

after rereading the cheese post his reasoning looks flimsier than before

in what way?

@BradLand

if you’re town then the best way to read me is to READ MY POSTS and not rely on awful ass reaction tests that accomplish next to nothing.

yeah the point is I cant read ppl so i need to resort to these kind of things

@Frog

But again, I don’t think it was like even a bad read?

I read you say you have no meta with pigeon to know whether or not your read applies to them, but like… … … how do you know it’s a bad read???

My definition of a “bad read” is “one with either none or bogus evidence”

My first post pretty much that, and I purposely made it so

Furthermore, trying to read a player off of one post that they made, especially to the point of trying to execute them over it, is an inherently scummy move that attempts to kill LHF.

@Trochilidae

i don’t think this is a good callout. it reads “well uh i did a bad thing but look over here they also did a bad thing- don’t focus on me!” i believe it was an attempt to deflect attention in wolfy frustration (which yes, is obviously different from town frustration)

That’s the portion of “slightly undercut by the fact that i was accusing them”
If that callout had come from anyone else I think I would’ve townleaned them instantly, but magnus doing it gives me pause
I felt it was town frustration though, hence why i decided to put them in my v leans; may I ask why you thought it was wolfy?

@Aelin

Additionally, they go on with noting the votes from inactives on Leafia, and then just… ignores them. Then, they go, “Oh my bad posts were a bait” which is… well, I say burn it with fire.

Activity is never alignment indicative
You realize that the “bait” post was my next post right?
I wrote the eyebrow post and went to sleep

The rest of your reads is just about my playstyle which
???
Not sure what you’re calling “seeming solvey” and “minimal commentary” when in every (ok, most) post I provided analyses on all the posts I quoted

[Professor]

@Magnus

@Trochilidae

@Magnus

In any case, if I’m jumping on a wagon wildly for voting Leafia, Cloned is jumping on a wagon to vote me with flimsy justification.

you did jump on a wagon wildly to vote Leafia. cloned’s reasoning is something i can follow. (at least he had justification).

Have your thoughts changed now Cloned isn’t voting me? Just curious. I’m not majorly interested in justifying my votes unless it’s incredibly weird, worse than the Leafia vote.

This is a post a wolf makes about a partner. The problem is I don’t think Magnus is a wolf…

@Magnus

I’m heavily accused for voting Leafia just before Pigeon casts a vote on Leafia, sending her to L-2 in a majority vote. In other words, I’m suspected for aligning votes seemingly randomly with another player, as if I had been communicating with someone in a Mafia chat. That thought is in the back of everyone’s minds, or at least the people suspecting me.

I don’t think anyone is making this association. If anything, I want to say you two are unlikely to both be wolves given that Pigeon would be more concerned following his wolf partner onto a wagon already at L-2 at that point of the game.

@Frog

You’re kind of similar to Professor, Magnus in how it seems like you approach the game. Like, your posts restate a lot of information, and you ask questions, and you’re trying to ascribe motivations. I don’t think any of that is alignment indicative, despite how proud you are of your girthy posts.

I am… mildly offended by this. I think you would find that the depth of my analysis exceeds that of most players in the game, if you actually take the time to read my posts. I think my posts are notably different to Trochilidae’s, who is actually playing as you describe here - mainly pointing out things others are doing and what they are going to do.

@Leafia

Magnus/Pigeon contains exactly one wolf.

I had this thought, but after seeing Pigeon say he didn’t know the votecount, it’s possible they could be wolves together. I don’t think Pigeon would try to buss Magnus here though, when he has free pickings between me and BradLand if they are a villager, possibly also cheese.

@Squirrel2412

You seem to be backing off of cloned (for the time being) in a way that doesn’t feel natural to me. You pushed him pretty hard, at least in my eyes, and then you’re suddenly reconsidering your read on him without much of a progression.

My progression was extremely clear. Around the time I posted my readlist I started doubting my read because, like you pointed out, I don’t think cheese received enough pressure to warrant spinning his stance on pigeon around into a “reaction test”.

@ElizaThePsycho

why does the postcap scare me this much aaaa

@ElizaThePsycho
Do you feel like playing the game today?

@clonedcheese

Im back after a choir concert

Surprisingly a lot of posts

And this was the last we saw of cloned. No response to my post asking how on Earth those two posts could be interpreted as a defence of BradLand.

@Trochilidae

i apologize for missing you as well. is your reasoning for leaving me off your list the same as mine was? i’ve been a semi-prominent poster, and i know you can’t simply forget about me.

You are actually extremely forgettable, despite being a prominent poster as you say. That’s part of the issue.

@thepigeonnyc

@Trochilidae

what are your three most confident reads and why?

Professor V, has been showing good content
You V, also good content
Frog W, has been producing incriminating content while hiding serious content in spoilers, which no one should be doing in a light game

This was what I was looking for. Pigeon decided Frog was wolfier than Magnus - this is clear from how he decided to list his Frog read here but not Magnus, and yet voted/left his vote on Magnus rather than moving to Frog. I don’t think this is impossible to come from villager Pigeon, but the discrepancy is naturally wolfy.

@Trochilidae

i’m getting more confident this is simply a wolf. surely a townie would actually invest the time to read context and not blatantly go back on themselves? the focus on only things pertaining to yourself is wolfy.

Everything in this segment is wrong except for Pigeon being a wolf. Probably.
I permit the bus.

[Professor]

Impeccable timing.

@clonedcheese
Mind responding to this?

@Professor

@clonedcheese

Sadly prof not understanding posts then telling me to go read is NAI and its infuriating every time im subjected to it

@clonedcheese

As intended

They’re for everyone else

So if you believe me not understanding your posts is NAI, then what is the purpose of announcing to everyone that I don’t understand your posts? Why would you not instead try to help me understand them to help me figure out your alignment?

@clonedcheese

Someone please explain to them why agreeing to a post and aggressively attempting to explain the reasoning behind the post amounts to defending the post

No. I would like you to explain how you think that these two posts which neither defend Brad nor comment on his alignment surmount to “aggressively attempting to explain the reasoning behind the post”. What’s more interesting is the fact that these posts Brad made and my response to them were made before I even saw you accuse Brad, I just moved your accusation of Brad further up in the post to match where you made your bogus comment on Pigeon. I wasn’t even aware of your accusation when I wrote these posts, nor do they have anything to do with it.

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@clonedcheese

@Aelin

cloned feels like he’s trying really hard to make sure people know he’s doing something without outright pointing people towards it

idrk if that makes sense but i dont like it

This is a valid but wrong criticism

Uh, how exactly does this work?

@clonedcheese

it was a joke and it’s absurd that someone tries to force a scumread out of it

Absurd… right, but is it wolfy or villagery? You never thought to comment on what doing this said for my alignment, even though your phrasing would seem as though you would want to call it wolfy. Why is that?

[Leafia]

@Professor

I had this thought, but after seeing Pigeon say he didn’t know the votecount, it’s possible they could be wolves together. I don’t think Pigeon would try to buss Magnus here though, when he has free pickings between me and BradLand if they are a villager, possibly also cheese.

Kind of curious what makes you think that Pigeon and Magnus could be w/w here since I don’t see it. Maybe you could explain that possibility to me.

Also, it’s close enough to EoD that I don’t really think it’s that important to conserve my posts any more since the 50 post per day thing will be lifted an hour before EoD.