I’ll put more effort on in a few hours
Voted | Voters | Votes |
---|---|---|
EliThePsycho | BradLand, Leafia | 2/6 |
Magnus | Aelin, Trochilidae | 2/6 |
Professor | Frog | 1/6 |
Trochilidae | Professor | 1/6 |
Leafia | Illwei | 1/6 |
Not Voting | Squirrel2412, Magnus, Gorta, EliThePsycho | 4 |
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2:01 PM
Magnus main wagon
Given reasonings on Magnus wagon
Can’t sleep and just had to say this upon reading u ppl. Please don’t give me a heart attack like that. I was all the way up to L-1 less than 6 hours Into D1. If even one wolf had come in during that time, they could’ve quicklynched me ending the day there. Use some sense town, although some good came of this. I think the way Magnus came in and just plopped a vote down on me bringing me to L-1 with no explaination of why he was scumreading me was extremely scummy. That’s not something I can see a villager doing honestly. /vote Magnus @Host_Account_2
Now back to bed with me.
Just read it.
/vote Magnus
(Post responded to)
ABORT ABORT ABORT
LEAFIA IS YEET BAITALSO I JUST REALIZED MAJORITY IS ENABLED DAY 1 LOL!!!
/VOTE PROFESSOR
PLEASE EXCUSE THE YELLING I’M HARD OF HEARING
Otherwise, no reasoning given
Magnus sounds like he has a superiority complex related to the game, which is… interesting.
magnus’ second post didn’t really improve in any capacity
it doesn’t feel right
nb4 im just out here insulting magnus lmao
Magnus - Awful tone just throughout. He seems like he really feels like he’s just got everything figured out, and it’s worth noting that this could very easily be partnered with Frog considering how easily the latter brushed off concerns about him originally. Continuing on, his defenses of himself are, quite frankly, terrible. Interestingly enough, though, I’m finding his bits of self-consciousness to be the most towny thing in his ISO. (But then he makes me go bleh again with the rest of them)
Actually, I’ve reversed my read on cloned. I’m not going to say why.
/vote Magnus @Host_Account_2
In accordance with my read list, Magnus was my second-highest scumread after cloned. So, getting closer to EoD, no players lower on my readlist (at the time), a vote placed.
|Voted|Voters|Votes|
|Professor|Gorta|1/7|
|Magnus|Trochilidae, Thepigeonnyc|2/7|
|Thepigeonnyc|Frog, Leafia|2/7|
|Bradland|Clonedcheese, Illwei|2/7|
|clonedcheese|Magnus, Professor, Aelin|3/7|
|Not Voting|EliThePsycho, Bradland, Squirrel2412|3|
2:30 PM - cloned main wagon
Given reasonings on cloned wagon and why Leafia switched off the Magnus wagon
clonedcheese:If im not mistaken this kind of “oh im gonna die” sarcasm (is that the word?) from pigeon is scum AI
i dont really like the phrasing of this but i also dont have anything on hand to disprove it
I think cloned/brad is either W/V or V/W
I’m not sure which side is which though
Idk why my brain is just screaming it while I’m reading these
(Note on this: I’ve got absolutely no clue rn and making this is taking a lot out of me so I’ll try and go back and analyze this shit tomorrow)
Squirrel2412: clonedcheese:Yes popping in like that is eyebrow-raising, but I would think it’s not scum AI in a vacuum. I wanted to throw as much shade as possible, to see if people would j go along with it or call me out on it.
[/quote]ooh
spicy
inclined to TR cloned for this
I don’t think there was enough pressure on cloned to warrant a reversal on his position on pigeon and the way he approached it feels solvy
it’s a textbook copout that i dont really buy, so a disagree here
cloned feels like he’s trying really hard to make sure people know he’s doing something without outright pointing people towards it
idrk if that makes sense but i dont like it
cloned’s pretty scummy atm imo
clonedcheese - They seem to try and start the game off as if it’s a normal game. After that’s called out as weird, though, they immediately abandon it and instead try to jump into seeming solvey, with large posts but only offering minimal commentary. I’m also seeing a lot of small, direct appeals to people, and their limited analysis feels, ironically enough, like they’re
clonedcheese:trying to desperately squeeze something out of that post
Additionally, they go on with noting the votes from inactives on Leafia, and then just… ignores them. Then, they go, “Oh my bad posts were a bait” which is… well, I say burn it with fire.
I
Made a mistake lmaoooo
I thought cloned was the one who said they thought Magnus wasn’t a wolf but it was Professor and I was like “okay, w!cloned never unprompted goes “oh I’m going to defend this other guy being scumread when I’m being scumread too”
Explained this a few times, I know it’s kinda weird and I can’t exactly blame you for not believing what happened but if you’ve ever tried reading up while on mobile I feel like it’s a bit easier to understand.
Sure
But yeah I was reading cloned’s wallpost right before it and missed the cutoff where yours began/vote clonedcheese @Host_Account_2
clonedcheese:Would vote one of magus/pigeon if not for the fact i am also going to sleep and i would prefer not to start a wagon before disappearing for 11 hours
Do you not feel there was something different between the way Magnus’ and Pigeon voted? I think placing them in a group together of people you will vote without distinguishing between the actions and their implications is pretty reductionist.
clonedcheese:I disagree with the reasoning, especially this one:
Trochilidae:this comes across as a panicked, low-efforting wolf. it’s performative and pandering.
Im not sure that I see it as someome going “shit i have to do something”, rather “oh this is an easy target”
I think the vote comes from a lazy scum more than a panicked scum, but scum nonetheless.
I also just saw this post:
thepigeonnyc:I didn’t read this post and now I’m going to be scumread and of course, killed D1
If im not mistaken this kind of “oh im gonna die” sarcasm (is that the word?) from pigeon is scum AI
clonedcheese:Yes popping in like that is eyebrow-raising, but I would think it’s not scum AI in a vacuum. I wanted to throw as much shade as possible, to see if people would j go along with it or call me out on it.
More specifically, this:
clonedcheese:If im not mistaken this kind of “oh im gonna die” sarcasm (is that the word?) from pigeon is scum AI
I pulled this out of my ass
I dont think ive even played a game with scum pigeon, and if i have i cant rememberWith that, lets see if anyone has taken my bait
The funny thing is, I genuinely think this is true. I’ve reliably caught Pigeon wolfing due to his guilty conscience which he often displays via these sarcastic messages. It’s pretty hard to distinguish between Cheese genuinely trying to do an RT here or trying to claim something he was wolfread for was an RT in order to play it off. I don’t mind the initial content, but the way he applauds everyone simply for calling him out, even when most of the accusations against him don’t concern the validity of his reasoning which is what he claimed to be looking for, doesn’t seem… real.
clonedcheese: Leafia:Cloned does have a weird feel to him honestly but I’m not about to scumread him just for that. First, I need to figure out if it’s t!weird or w!weird.
[/quote]Good callout as well of iffy behavior
The “idk if this is t or w” i think is emblematic of t!Leafia, so willing to let this live today
I agree. However, how come you called Leafia wolfy for hedging earlier?:
Leafia:On second glance this post looks like Trochi is relaxed and comfortable but at the same time it has a slightly too friendly tone like he’s trying to make himself liked and it’s something I find slightly on the scummy side although I might be reading too much into it.
[/quote]W o w this is hedgy as fuck
Feels like Leafia’s trying to desperately squeeze something out of that post
Why is this hedge not emblematc of t!Leafia, but the other one is?
clonedcheese:“Applauds everyone simply for calling [me] out” was not my intention and is a gross mischaracterization of my argument
The main fruit of my RT there was the scumread on Brad and Prof just… ignores that?
Brad/Prof w/wI didn’t say that was your intention. I said that was what you were doing, and that it doesn’t match your intention. You intended to find out if people picked up on your made up reasoning, but then you end up townreading people just for saying that you “feel off”. This is what gives the impression that you are trying to pass of a wolfy post as “chill it was an RT!!!”, because you are trying to scrounge for results to make it appear fruitful.
clonedcheese:One is a full analysis ending in “idk the conclusion lol” and the other is a wack read on a NAI post
They are both hedgy posts. And in one you are calling the hedge villagery, and in the other you are calling it wolfy. I don’t care about the rest of the content for this specific point, because this is a contradiction regardless.
clonedcheese:Pretty sure i caught another scum here
Prof is taking way to much effort defending Brad; they wouldn’t have any reason to, unless someone was correctly accusing Brad for the correct reasons
…Brad? Are you even reading what you are replying to?
clonedcheese:That was .e advising against a headache
Yeah i think i know who you are
Who else sees 0 nuance like this
Where did Aelin claim to have a headache? They were claiming that their brain was screaming you could be a wolf, which you told them to dismiss.
How does knowing who I am affect your read on me?
I’m pretty confident Cheese isn’t reading my posts… or Aelin’s posts, for what it’s worth. They accused me of attributing motivations to them when I was merely pointing out their intention didn’t match with their actions. They then also accused me of defending Brad while quoting two of my posts defending Magnus, a different player.
While at this point I think clonedcheese’s “RT” is looking more likely to be a wolf “it was actually an RT” moment, I’m not sure why he would feel a need to do this as a wolf. He wasn’t largely scumread for his posts, and even received townreads from some people. It’s possible he thought his made up post surrounding Pigeon’s meta would come back to haunt him, but otherwise it doesn’t really make sense.
Anyhow, I suppose I better summarise as we approach the end of the first half of the day.
Leafia
BradLand Frog
MagnusNull line
Trochilidae
clonedcheese thepigeonnyc
clonedcheese:Dont you hate it when someone who didnt actually understand your post at all tries to explain youe post back to you, and says you’re reading shit wrong
clonedcheese:Again with the no nuance
clonedcheese:Sadly prof not understanding posts then telling me to go read is NAI and its infuriating every time im subjected to it
Perhaps you can help me to understand. This post does not accomplish that.
clonedcheese:Yes. I, unlike certain others, possess the ability to comprehend words.
This however, is just false. Neither of these posts are defending Brad, nor are they commenting on his alignment. How did this thought arise?
clonedcheese:Sadly prof not understanding posts then telling me to go read is NAI and its infuriating every time im subjected to it
clonedcheese:As intended
They’re for everyone else
So if you believe me not understanding your posts is NAI, then what is the purpose of announcing to everyone that I don’t understand your posts? Why would you not instead try to help me understand them to help me figure out your alignment?
clonedcheese:Someone please explain to them why agreeing to a post and aggressively attempting to explain the reasoning behind the post amounts to defending the post
No. I would like you to explain how you think that these two posts which neither defend Brad nor comment on his alignment surmount to “aggressively attempting to explain the reasoning behind the post”. What’s more interesting is the fact that these posts Brad made and my response to them were made before I even saw you accuse Brad, I just moved your accusation of Brad further up in the post to match where you made your bogus comment on Pigeon. I wasn’t even aware of your accusation when I wrote these posts, nor do they have anything to do with it.
I’m trying to understand cheese’s perspective as to how he thinks I am ascribing motivations to him and defending Brad, and I’m having a hard time seeing how my posts can be interpreted as doing either of those things, though particularly the latter.
Cheese being insufferable is within both his ranges. However, cheese making things up in order to validate tunnels he knows he must fake in order to imitate his town meta is… squarely within his wolfrange
Squirrel2412:inclined to TR cloned for this
I don’t think there was enough pressure on cloned to warrant a reversal on his position on pigeon and the way he approached it feels solvy
This is why I am undecided on cheese’s “RT” because despite the intention not really aligning with his actions, I don’t understand why cheese would feel a need to do this as a wolf when he was townread as much as he was wolfread for his posting. An entire reversal, as you put it, may not be warranted to make as a wolf.
Aelin:cloned feels like he’s trying really hard to make sure people know he’s doing something without outright pointing people towards it
idrk if that makes sense but i dont like it
I vaguely understand. His method of solving seems more theatrical than genuine, though such is often the case with “reaction tests”.
Currently I think clonedcheese, thepigeonnyc and Trochilidae are the three players most likely to flip wolf. I am fine with killing any of these.
clonedcheese:Im back after a choir concert
Surprisingly a lot of posts
And this was the last we saw of cloned. No response to my post asking how on Earth those two posts could be interpreted as a defence of BradLand.
[quote=“Professor, post:290, topic:311, full:true”]
Impeccable timing.
@clonedcheese
Mind responding to this?
[quote=“Professor, post:173, topic:311”]
Sadly prof not understanding posts then telling me to go read is NAI and its infuriating every time im subjected to it
[/quote] clonedcheese:As intended
They’re for everyone else
So if you believe me not understanding your posts is NAI, then what is the purpose of announcing to everyone that I don’t understand your posts? Why would you not instead try to help me understand them to help me figure out your alignment?
clonedcheese:Someone please explain to them why agreeing to a post and aggressively attempting to explain the reasoning behind the post amounts to defending the post
No. I would like you to explain how you think that these two posts which neither defend Brad nor comment on his alignment surmount to “aggressively attempting to explain the reasoning behind the post”. What’s more interesting is the fact that these posts Brad made and my response to them were made before I even saw you accuse Brad, I just moved your accusation of Brad further up in the post to match where you made your bogus comment on Pigeon. I wasn’t even aware of your accusation when I wrote these posts, nor do they have anything to do with it.
Aelin:cloned feels like he’s trying really hard to make sure people know he’s doing something without outright pointing people towards it
idrk if that makes sense but i dont like it
[/quote]This is a valid but wrong criticism
Uh, how exactly does this work?
clonedcheese:it was a joke and it’s absurd that someone tries to force a scumread out of it
Absurd… right, but is it wolfy or villagery? You never thought to comment on what doing this said for my alignment, even though your phrasing would seem as though you would want to call it wolfy. Why is that?
clonedcheese: Professor:Mind responding to this?
[/quote][quote=“clonedcheese, post:161, topic:311”]
yes clonedcheese:There’s a reason why I have this player on my “do not read” list
That… doesn’t give you an excuse to outright ignore my posts. Until you respond, I’m going to assume you can’t respond and have been caught lying about interpreting my posts as a defence, especially when there’s… pretty much no conceivable way anyone paying attention would interpret those posts in that way.
Squirrel2412:If I understand you correctly, you were reaction testing people to see if they would go along with your misplaced shade or if they would call you out.
Which is fine, but why would you put trochi in ‘conf bias town’ over a wolf going along with your shade?
This was what I was trying to say with how cloned’s intention didn’t match his actions. He claimed to be seeing how people reacted to his shade on pigeon, but he then instead made a post townreading people for things completely irrelevant to this, such as this read on Trochi or the one where he townread someone for saying his content was bad even though they made no reference to the pigeon post.
I would like Cloned and Pigeon wagons.
I think Trochilidae can also be mafia, but given that one of my reasons for suspecting him is how he sounds dead inside, the accuracy of this read should become more obvious later into the game so I am fine with letting him live for now.
I’m tempted to agree. The fact he’s picking up on a number of minute details similar to me is something I must give credit for. Especially in regards to cloned’s reaction test, because now I at least know I’m not going mad.
[quote=“Professor, post:313, topic:311, full:true”]
BradLand:if you’re town then the best way to read me is to READ MY POSTS and not rely on awful ass reaction tests that accomplish next to nothing.
[/quote]yeah the point is I cant read ppl so i need to resort to these kind of things
This feeble level of confidence does not match how loud and aggressive you’ve been with your reads. This is a cop-out.
Ah, was that your reason for changing your read on him? If so, I’m kind of glad that it was a mistake.
Care to join me?
/vote clonedcheese @Host_Account_2
(I know the big Prof quote broke but I really can’t figure out why and tried to fix it and only half-succeeded, sorry. If you’ve actually read this far and this meticulously, however, you probably care enough about what the fuck I’m saying and this game that you understand/remember what’s going on here)
He honestly isn’t wrong here. I’m currently tinfoiling Pigein/Magnus as w/w, but there’s a thought that scares me too and that thought is this: Can it really be that easy?
It just feels like we’re missing something important. GTH, Magnus/Pigeon contains exactly one wolf.
Magnus:I can understand this confusion, If I had been Mafia, arranging a guaranteed D1 mislynch doesn’t help the Mafia when I would be heavily suspected and likely lynched the next day. It would be safer to remain in the shadows and subtly nod suspicion into an innocent player’s direction.
This reasoning kind of makes sense if you ask me so Pigeon and Magnus are probably unaligned.
thepigeonnyc: Scumread but never w/w with Magnus: The other one who almost got me yeeted. His posts have been terrible if he’s a villager and from past game with him, I know he’s capable of much better if he’s villager. Saying that, I feel that he’s squarely in his wolfmeta right now.
Kind of curious what makes you think that Pigeon and Magnus could be w/w here since I don’t see it. Maybe you could explain that possibility to me.
Also, it’s close enough to EoD that I don’t really think it’s that important to conserve my posts any more since the 50 post per day thing will be lifted an hour before EoD.
Professor:I was saying since Pigeon didn’t know the votecount, the fact they both piled on you probably doesn’t mean they can’t be W/W. However, the fact Pigeon is going after Magnus when there are villager wagons which he could just as easily jump on makes me think they aren’t W/W.
Hmmm, that reasoning makes sense to me honestly.
can agree to Cloned Pigeon wagons since I think it’ll give us an idea of the thread state and allow me to improve my reads a bit possibly. /vote Pigeon @BaronGeddon
|Voted|Voters|Votes|
|Professor|Gorta, clonedcheese|2/7|
|Magnus|Trochilidae, thepigeonnyc|2/7|
|thepigeonnyc|Frog, Leafia|2/7|
|Bradland|Illwei|1/7|
|clonedcheese|Magnus, Professor, Aelin|3/7|
|Not Voting|EliThePsycho, Bradland, Squirrel2412|3|
5:59 PM - 1 Hour Before EoD - cloned main wagon
|Voted|Voters|Votes|
|Professor|Gorta, clonedcheese|2/7|
|Magnus|Trochilidae, Thepigeonnyc|2/7|
|Thepigeonnyc|Frog, Leafia|2/7|
|Bradland|Illwei|1/7|
|clonedcheese|Magnus, Professor, Aelin|3/7|
|Frog|EliThePsycho|1/7|
|Not Voting|Bradland, Squirrel2412|2|
6:29 PM - 31 minutes before EoD - cloned main wagon
|Voted|Voters|Votes|
|Professor|Gorta, clonedcheese|2/7|
|Magnus|Trochilidae, Thepigeonnyc|2/7|
|thepigeonnyc|Frog, Leafia, Magnus|3/7|
|Bradland|Illwei|1/7|
|clonedcheese|Professor, Aelin|2/7|
|Frog|EliThePsycho|1/7|
|Not Voting|Bradland, Squirrel2412|2|
6:36 PM - pigeon becomes the main wagon due to a magnus vote switch
Magnus vote switch reasoning
[quote=“Magnus, post:129, topic:311”]
[quote=“clonedcheese, post:111, topic:311”]
/vote Leafia
High poster so maybe could be seizing thread plus the posts are mostly fluff and defensive
[/quote]WhOA whoA
These two are
Cringe
thepigeonnyc:I didn’t read this post and now I’m going to be scumread and of course, killed D1
[/quote]If im not mistaken this kind of “oh im gonna die” sarcasm (is that the word?) from pigeon is scum AI
These couple of posts come off as extremely weird to me in a way words cannot describe. These don’t feel like scumreads coming from Cloned. These feel like vote justifications.
I have more respect for this player base than to expect a vote on Leafia would be missed entirely, even without knowing Pigeon would vote as well a few moments (minutes?) later.
In case it isn’t obvious, I would’ve voted Pigeon if I didn’t know I’d get scumread for it immediately.
Frog:IN CONCLUSION I CALL UPON ENOUGH OF YOU TO SEE THE REASON IN VOTING FOR THEPIGEONNYC, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
As someone who doesn’t know Pigeon’s meta, I’m on board with voting him. /Vote Pigeon.
|Voted|Voters|Votes|
|Professor|Gorta, clonedcheese|2/7|
|Magnus|Trochilidae|1/7|
|thepigeonnyc|Frog, Leafia, Magnus, BradLand|4/7|
|Bradland|Illwei|1/7|
|clonedcheese|Professor, Aelin, thepigeonnyc|3/7|
|Frog|EliThePsycho|1/7|
|Not Voting|Squirrel2412|1|
6:39 PM - cloned/pigeon, V/V wagons become prominent wagons - BradLand joins pigeon, pigeon self-presses on cloned
BradLand vote reasoning
/Vote: thepigeonnyc @Host_Account_2
If this flips mafia then Leafia is spewed town.
This probably counts if either Magnus or Pigeon flip mafia but both just pulled the “Arive, Slap Vote On Top Wagon, Leave” move.
I actually put my vote on Pigeon for a weird over-explained but bad reasoned vote on Leafia, then immediately saying “Oh no, I’m going to get yeeted Day 1!” which was super awkward and performative as if he planned on saying it.
However when I went back to read his reasoning, it looks like he actually read what Leafia was posting? So I might’ve jumped the gun on him.Either way I’m confused why both of them just jumped onto the main wagon and left like none of it was pro-town at all.
/Unvote thepigeonnyc
Pigeonnyc - Originally puts vote on Leaf then bounces, but adds a weird “I’m getting wagoned D1” post right after. I kinda just saw what he was reacting to, so the context might be off key?
Odd self awareness on putting Leaf on L-1 while scumreading Magnus but I think I can find that positive.
I’m in a rush to leave because I have to leave the house at around 6:50 my time but I’m keeping up with the game.
I’m in a rush to leave and I might follow Frog here on this because I don’t have a real vote thought.
/vote: thepigeonnyc @Host_Account_2
Not my last post more than likely I’m just gonna be on my phone when I get the time.
Bonus! Pigeon’s self-pres post
Anyway, gonna look at Cloned’s ISO
Looks very productive but maybe he could pull this off as wolf? I’m going for a townread but judging by the VC I feel so pressured to vote him. Not going to though, he seems towny
Frog:Find me a wolf if you’re not a wolf bro
Read my other posts
Frog:HECK YESSSS
LETS GO!!!
I now have to /vote cloned for any chance of hitting a wolf
Oh well it is what it is
I like a point that gives me a reason to see into the W!cloned world
:grimacing_smile:
Voted Voters Votes Professor Gorta, clonedcheese 2/7 Magnus Trochilidae 1/7 thepigeonnyc Frog, Leafia, Magnus, BradLand, Squirrel2412 5/7 Bradland Illwei 1/7 clonedcheese Professor, Aelin, thepigeonnyc 3/7 Frog EliThePsycho 1/7 Not Voting 0
6:41 - Squirrel joins pigeon wagon from not voting
Squirrel vote reasoning
thepigeonnyc:/vote Leafia
High poster so maybe could be seizing thread plus the posts are mostly fluff and defensive
Going to sleep now so I’ll probably get back to you in 8hum
that puts leaf at L-1
I’d unvote but I didn’t even vote leaf
BradLand:/Vote: thepigeonnyc @Host_Account_2
If this flips mafia then Leafia is spewed town.
hmm
on the one hand, w!pigeon probably wouldn’t put w!leaf at L-1
unless they wanted leaf to self hammer and end discussion
but it’s more likely that w!pigeon would just want leaf at L-1
I’ll buy it
/vote Thepigeonnyc
thepigeonnyc:I feel convinced that the justificationless L-3 vote on Leafia is wolfy
Ignoring the fact that I L-2 voted her…
um
I’m sorry what
frog town
aelin townyou town?
cloned town?
illwei town?leaf ??
magnus ??
gorta ??
eli ??
trochi ??prof scum?
pigeon scum
number of question marks indicates confidence in read
thepigeonnyc:Comes as no surprise
I am voting you lol.
Can you talk to me about this?
thepigeonnyc:I feel convinced that the justificationless L-3 vote on Leafia is wolfy
Ignoring the fact that I L-2 voted her…
Why the blatant hypocrisy?
thepigeonnyc: Squirrel2412:Can you talk to me about this?
I haven’t played many FM games where I haven’t been killed off early, town or scum
that was unclear on my part
I meant to say “Can you talk to me about this:”
Squirrel2412:Why the blatant hypocrisy?
[/quote]Makes it clear I’m not denying what I did
Why do you consider what magnus did to be scummy if you did it too?
thepigeonnyc: Squirrel2412:Why do you consider what magnus did to be scummy if you did it too?
- I gave justification
- Magnus seemed to know what the VC was and did it anyway; I hadn’t looked at the VC at the time (although I knew people were generally sussing Leafia, sorry)
Why didn’t you check the VC?
Also, Magnus voted when Leaf was at L-3, which is a lot more reasonable than L-2 imo
9
Touché
/unvote
(in response to)
Squirrel2412:Why didn’t you check the VC?
I am a human being and I specifically signed up to a light game
Professor:I would like Cloned and Pigeon wagons.
fine with this
oh right
there we go
/vote thepigeonnyc
(in response to)
Squirrel2412:spedran all the rest of the posts, but I’ll hopefully reread over the night and give commentary later
The day is about to end and you’re not voting
|Voted|Voters|Votes|
|Professor|Gorta, clonedcheese|2/7|
|Magnus|Trochilidae|1/7|
|thepigeonnyc|Frog, Leafia, Magnus, BradLand|4/7|
|Bradland|Illwei|1/7|
|clonedcheese|Professor, Aelin, thepigeonnyc|3/7|
|Frog|EliThePsycho|1/7|
|Not Voting|Squirrel2412|1|
6:46 - Squirrel unvotes
Squirrel unvote reasoning
um
wait is this a real claim?
/unvote
(in response to pigeon’s claim)
But alas, I’m a 2-shot odd-night doctor
Yes it is. I have no reason not to claim as I’ll either die or somehow get people off my wagon
|Voted|Voters|Votes|
|Professor|Gorta, clonedcheese|2/7|
|Magnus|Trochilidae|1/7|
|thepigeonnyc|Frog, Leafia, BradLand|3/7|
|Bradland|Illwei|1/7|
|clonedcheese|Professor, Aelin, thepigeonnyc|3/7|
|Frog|EliThePsycho|1/7|
|Not Voting|Squirrel2412, Magnus|2|
6:49 Magnus unvotes, tying the two wagons
Magnus unvote reasoning
Frog:IN CONCLUSION I CALL UPON ENOUGH OF YOU TO SEE THE REASON IN VOTING FOR THEPIGEONNYC, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
As someone who doesn’t know Pigeon’s meta, I’m on board with voting him. /Vote Pigeon.
/Unvote. @Host_Account_2
otherwise no reason given until after, however, could be in response to any of the 45 posts before it, such as
I know how Pigeon’s wolf bird brain works, and given his tendency to self-pres as a wolf at the soonest opportunity on the most likely option I don’t think he is a wolf unless cloned is (because he also doesn’t like bussing unless he has to)
Everyone: let’s sheep the player on pigeon who has no idea of pigeon’s meta, despite someone else who knows pigeon’s meta informing them that pretty much everything they called pigeon out for was NAI
But alas, I’m a 2-shot odd-night doctor
I don’t understand why frog is being sheeped by everyone despite having no understanding of the player’s meta and me saying that most of it was NAI.
why am i not being sheeped on cloned despite presenting a coherent argument detailing a number of inconsistencies in cloned’s mindset and intentions/actions.
… but it doesn’t mention any of them or respond to any of them. Here’s the justification after the fact.
Cloned’s flip helps determine Pigeon’s alignment, which doesn’t hold up vice versa.
I’m willing to let either die here.
False. I’m happy to let this rand.
I have zero votes! That’s all I wanted in life.
/vote Cloned.
|Voted|Voters|Votes|
|Professor|Gorta, clonedcheese|2/7|
|Magnus|Trochilidae|1/7|
|thepigeonnyc|Frog, Leafia, BradLand|3/7|
|Bradland|Illwei|1/7|
|clonedcheese|Professor, Aelin, thepigeonnyc, Squirrel2412|4/7|
|Frog|EliThePsycho|1/7|
|Not Voting|Magnus|
6:58 - Two minutes to EoD - Squirrel votes cloned, making cloned the plurality vote
Squirrel vote justification
do you have a claim?
mmmm
I actually think it might be t/t
I’ve been waiting for someone to change the tie and it ain’t happening, which I’d expect if it were t/w
but ehhhh
the other wagons are even less great imo
clonedcheese:In all fairness my “please kill this” radar might be overpowering my “we should kill this” radar
what’s the difference between “please kill this” and “we should kill this”??
/vote clonedcheese
…
okay I’m waiting for a self pres and it didn’t happen
Voted Voters Votes Professor Gorta, clonedcheese 2/7 thepigeonnyc Frog, Leafia, BradLand 3/7 Bradland Illwei 1/7 clonedcheese Professor, Aelin, thepigeonnyc, Squirrel2412, Trochilidae 5/7 Frog EliThePsycho 1/7 Not Voting Magnus
6:59 - Trochilidae joins the cloned wagon
Trochilidae vote justification
in regards to your reaction test cloned, what i disagree with most is this particular bit of reasoning.
clonedcheese:Very good callout, only slightly undercut bu the fact that i was accusing them
Still willing to put in my v leans thought; the initial behavior is NAI for magnus iirc
i don’t think this is a good callout. it reads “well uh i did a bad thing but look over here they also did a bad thing- don’t focus on me!” i believe it was an attempt to deflect attention in wolfy frustration (which yes, is obviously different from town frustration). though i will say i like this RT of yours, i don’t see why scum would put this much unnecessary effort into something that wasn’t needed as a saving grace.
as for rn i want cloned to die less than pigeon
won’t be voting to make L-1 until closer to time
do you want to potentially kill a protective d1?
if it’s fake it’ll resolve
if it’s fake it will resolve and the pigeon gets barbecued
i haven’t liked pigeon all game but i’m not gonna be dumb
clonedcheese:Doc is a strong role in a game that is supposedly “low power”
two shot odd night doc is kinda low power but i digress
look obviously every pr claim isn’t gonna live
but this specific one is
ehhh i don’t really want to kill it because the role itself is a protective and seems legit
well don’t pop a blood vessel that would be messy
i hate this but i also hate everything else
/vote cloned
EoD1 VC
Voted Voters Votes Professor Gorta, clonedcheese 2/7 thepigeonnyc Leafia, BradLand 2/7 Bradland Illwei 1/7 clonedcheese Professor, Aelin, thepigeonnyc, Squirrel2412, Trochilidae, Magnus 6/7 Frog EliThePsycho 1/7 EliThePsycho Frog 1/7 Not Voting 0
7:00 - EoD VC - Ending wagons - Magnus joins the cloned wagon, Frog creates the Eli wagon
i dont really know if i want to bother doing the vote justifications for these things
Thoughts post... *thing* goddamnit why wont this italicize
I think this actually looks the worst for Leafia, Squirrel, and Magnus. Leafia has cloned as her towncore, yet her defense of him is the following, despite being active all of D1 and at EoD1
clonedcheese: Towncore as his RT that potentially caught Brad just doesn’t seem like something a wolf would do. I feel that a wolf woul argue that either their read was real or not say anything about it while using t as an opportunity to Shade and/or start a Brad push. This is the member of my towncore that I’m the least confident on.
She ‘takes him out’ of her towncore right before 1 hour before eod (while still saying that she’s “reasonably confident that the cloned/professor argument is TvT”
I honestly think I’ll be the only one to hit 50 before the post restriction is lifted in an hour and 20 minutes. I have 2 more posts left but I’m satisfied with the threadstate for now. I’m reasonably confident that the Cloned/Professor argument is TvT for now, but I’m honestly starting to see what Professor is getting at about Cloned. I’m just not sure what it means yet but I think I’ll take Cloned out of my towncore for the time being.
I personally think the claim could be fake but I’m starting to get cold feet a bit and it’s scaring me. That and I heavily townread Cloned and don’t want him to die here as a result, so I don’t think I’ll change my vote unless someone gives me a good alternative.
How about joining us on Pigeon then?
Hmmm, fair enough even if I disagree with you there.
I really think Cloned is town here you guys. Don’t kill him.
which is essentially… nothing. her towncore/townread, and she hardly lifts a finger to defend him.
ADDITIONALLY,
It just feels like we’re missing something important. GTH, Magnus/Pigeon contains exactly one wolf.
Where’s her Magnus push today? Where’s headstrong, town Leafia that always thinks she’s right without accepting fault or blame?
Right now Magnus and I’m currently waiting for Aelin to defend themselves from Frog’s attack before deciding what I think of them. I legit think most of the wolves could be in the lowposters.
Magnus I can definitely see being a wolf,
And that’s it
Like
The more I look at this the worse it looks
The only, only saving grace here is that she says that cloned is the weakest of her towncore
cloned town?
mmmm
I actually think it might be t/t
I’ve been waiting for someone to change the tie and it ain’t happening, which I’d expect if it were t/w
but ehhhh
the other wagons are even less great imo
…
okay I’m waiting for a self pres and it didn’t happen
and overall magnus just seems to not give really any fucks about who goes over, flip flopping and not really providing, well, jack shit in the form of reasoning anywhere
occam’s razor says that this is just a low-efforting scum content with V/V wagons
…
it makes me angry but pigeon was incredibly voteable here and I really can’t blame frog for voting there.
Summary
still upset w/ frog tho
Before this even comes up, I am not putting myself as green for readability. So… don’t even try it.
… this… took so long. why the fuck did i do this. my forums and/or laptop are lagging because of this. i hate this. i hate myself. i wanted to stop twenty minutes in and got hit with the sunk cost fallacy and it only got worse from there. quotes broke. i tried to fix them. i only succeeded sometimes.
screeching
sounds of aelin’s mental state rapidly deteriorating at an even faster rate than usual
groans
look at above post and plz look at base level analysis afterwards
headdesk
so… tired… i dont want to look at a single piece of text ever again…
i will probably go deeper into it tomorrow though
you
you said gorta always does this
and yet
you’d vote gorta for things you just said he always does?
you said you had experience of him as a player and yet would vote him for things we know are lolgortano fuck this im putting my four votes here @commando /vote magnus
heh
One of the weaker Towncore
weak eyes
grimacing smile
what
yes
I’ll put more effort on in a few hours
You WILL? WOW, THATS SO CRAZY!!! ! ! ! ! ! !!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
dint woeiry gorta i belive you :)
please. someone be here.
i need something to validate wasting 87 minutes of my time. please.
This is of how I acted is completely misrepresenting me. I’m willing to admit that I can be wrong as town and I’m nowhere near as headstrong as you seem to want people to think when I’m town and the posts you quoted from me reveal that you’re blatantly lying when you say that I didn’t try to save Cloned. You know what? This is a blatant effort to shade me that never comes from a villager. That’s what I think. You are completely ignoring the fact that I was scumreading Pigeon just as much as Magnus as well as the fact that I had earlier agreed that Cloned/Pigeon wagons were a good idea. You’re acting like Magnus was my only scumread or something. That’s nowhere near the case. As my posts show, I tried hard to save Cloned. I just wish I had tried harder to get Magnus yeeted in hindsight.
/vote Aelin @Host_Account_2 I don’t think a villager ever blatantly lies and leaves out important facts all to get someone mislynched here to be honest. This slot can die.
Using my 100th post to truly head off for the night. Good night everyone.
This is how I feel towards Aelin right now honestly: :annoyedleafeon:
This is of how I acted is completely misrepresenting me.
you’re blatantly lying when you say that I didn’t try to save Cloned
Leafia:I honestly think I’ll be the only one to hit 50 before the post restriction is lifted in an hour and 20 minutes. I have 2 more posts left but I’m satisfied with the threadstate for now. I’m reasonably confident that the Cloned/Professor argument is TvT for now, but I’m honestly starting to see what Professor is getting at about Cloned. I’m just not sure what it means yet but I think I’ll take Cloned out of my towncore for the time being.
Leafia:I personally think the claim could be fake but I’m starting to get cold feet a bit and it’s scaring me. That and I heavily townread Cloned and don’t want him to die here as a result, so I don’t think I’ll change my vote unless someone gives me a good alternative.
Leafia:How about joining us on Pigeon then?
Leafia:Hmmm, fair enough even if I disagree with you there.
Leafia:I really think Cloned is town here you guys. Don’t kill him.
The only, only saving grace here is that she says that cloned is the weakest of her towncore
which is essentially… nothing. her towncore/townread, and she hardly lifts a finger to defend him.
i said it was essentially nothing, because it was. that’s not saying it’s nothing.
additionally,
(idk why but this quote isnt coming out right no matter how i try)
[quote=“Aelin, post:742, topic:311”]
He honestly isn’t wrong here. I’m currently tinfoiling Pigein/Magnus as w/w, but there’s a thought that scares me too and that thought is this: Can it really be that easy?
It just feels like we’re missing something important. GTH, Magnus/Pigeon contains exactly one wolf.
[quote=“Leafia, post:209, topic:311”]
I can understand this confusion, If I had been Mafia, arranging a guaranteed D1 mislynch doesn’t help the Mafia when I would be heavily suspected and likely lynched the next day. It would be safer to remain in the shadows and subtly nod suspicion into an innocent player’s direction.
[/quote]This reasoning kind of makes sense if you ask me so Pigeon and Magnus are probably unaligned.
thepigeonnyc: Scumread but never w/w with Magnus: The other one who almost got me yeeted. His posts have been terrible if he’s a villager and from past game with him, I know he’s capable of much better if he’s villager. Saying that, I feel that he’s squarely in his wolfmeta right now.
Kind of curious what makes you think that Pigeon and Magnus could be w/w here since I don’t see it. Maybe you could explain that possibility to me.
Also, it’s close enough to EoD that I don’t really think it’s that important to conserve my posts any more since the 50 post per day thing will be lifted an hour before EoD.
Professor:I was saying since Pigeon didn’t know the votecount, the fact they both piled on you probably doesn’t mean they can’t be W/W. However, the fact Pigeon is going after Magnus when there are villager wagons which he could just as easily jump on makes me think they aren’t W/W.
[/quote]Hmmm, that reasoning makes sense to me honestly.
Leafia:can agree to Cloned Pigeon wagons since I think it’ll give us an idea of the thread state and allow me to improve my reads a bit possibly. /vote Pigeon @BaronGeddon
Nope, I went through it. You didn’t read my post, though, thanks for letting me know that i shouldnt have fucking made it
As my posts show, I tried hard to save Cloned
You really, really didn’t. Like, go back to your own EoD and show me the parts I missed where you “tried hard to save Cloned” that I didn’t quote. Please, please do. I’m really quite curious.
Anyway
I was doing pure wagon analysis so obviously I didn’t go over every single post and read you had
that would be an iso, which i would consider deeper insight…
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which i said i’d be doing tomorrow.
so… tired… i dont want to look at a single piece of text ever again…
i will probably go deeper into it tomorrow though
Honestly. If you’re going to try and argue against something, actually read it first.
i said it was essentially nothing, because it was. that’s not saying it’s nothing.
additionally,
(idk why but this quote isnt coming out right no matter how i try)
You act like you expect a villager to want to risk yeeting a PR over someone they felt had a strong chance to be town and don’t you think if I was scum I’d want Pigeon yeeted over Cloned? Yet I wasn’t sure I wanted to risk a Pigeon yeet and the posts you quoted earlier do show that I tried hard to save Cloned. Stop trying to make it look like I didn’t.
The parts you put down the first time show it well enoug. I also guess I just can’t stay away from this game.
What you’re doing is an attempt at blatant shading by lying and ignoring the earlier part of the day. :annoyedleafeon:
So… you disagree with my conclusion rather than my lack of evidence? Because you said that I said you didn’t try to save cloned, which was factually incorrect, as I said that your efforts to do so were miniscule and ineffective and unbefitting of what someone who is normally loud would do to defend one of their stronger townreads.
Additionally, you also said that I ignored the fact that you were scumreading pigeon… which I also displayed was factually incorrect.
So… what’s the “blatant effort to shade” you, and where am I “blatantly lying”?
EDIT: “scumreads” to “townreads”
am sleepy
… except, I didn’t. You didn’t end the day on cloned, you ended the day on Pigeon. I noted your vote reasoning on Pigeon and quoted where I did so above, and nowhere in my notes did I say that your vote on Pigeon was part of the reason that I was pushing you.
You literally said that I barely tried to save Cloned which isn’t true at all. I tried as hard as I could to save him. The only reason I didn’t try harder was Pigeon’s claim. Also, you were ignoring the fact that I was also scumreading Pigeon because you’re scumreading me for not pushing on Magnus harder and switching to Pigeon instead. I only have 8 more posts after this, so I’m not going to waste them arguing with you. Good night. :annoyedleafeon:
which is essentially… nothing. her towncore/townread, and she hardly lifts a finger to defend him.
“WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY… NOTHING”
You literally said that I barely tried to save Cloned which isn’t true at all. I tried as hard as I could to save him.
You tried once (1 time) to appeal directly to someone to vote with you. You said twice that you thought cloned was town.
That and I heavily townread Cloned and don’t want him to die here as a result
I really think Cloned is town here you guys. Don’t kill him.
In which you quoted nobody, nor responded to anyone.
Here is your singular direct appeal:
I now actually think cloned and pigeon are W/W
Look at the votecount
Pigeon couldn’t vote me earlier and he also didn’t want to vote his partner, so he claimed in order to reduce the votes on him so me/Magnus become viable again
It’s shifted from Pigeon to a point where I’m now an option again, and notice how cloned never actually voted pigeon despite continuing to shade him
How about joining us on Pigeon then?
I want cloned dead, because Pigeon is only a wolf if cloned is
Hmmm, fair enough even if I disagree with you there.
That is it, Leafia. You made no more direct appeals, you did not suggest any new targets when the current wagon wasn’t going well, you did not try to towncase cloned despite the fact that I pointed out through the quoted votecounts (AND GAVE THE TIMESTAMPS, WHICH YOU WOULD KNOW IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOKED AT MY POST), cloned had been a potential wagon for hours before EoD.
because you’re scumreading me for not pushing on Magnus harder
I’m scumreading you for not pushing on Magnus today
TODAY
TODAY
LOOK AT THE QUOTES. LOOK AT THE QUOTES LEAFIA. THOSE ARE QUOTES FROM TODAY. LOOK AT WHAT I SAID BENEATH THE QUOTES.
Where’s her Magnus push today?
Magnus push today?
today
TELL. ME. WHAT. THAT. SAYS.
The only reason I didn’t try harder was Pigeon’s claim.
Pigeon’s claim,
But alas, I’m a 2-shot odd-night doctor
Timestamp: 6:43 PM EST, 17 minutes before EoD.
Voted Voters Votes Professor Gorta, clonedcheese 2/7 Magnus Trochilidae 1/7 thepigeonnyc Frog, Leafia, Magnus, BradLand 4/7 Bradland Illwei 1/7 clonedcheese Professor, Aelin, thepigeonnyc 3/7 Frog EliThePsycho 1/7 Not Voting Squirrel2412 1
Wagons after Squirrel unvoted in response.
However,
I will acknowledge that you only posted about the post 8 minutes before EoD, which isn’t a ton of time… but in that same post, you say
I heavily townread Cloned
Here’s the full quote just to save you from falsely accusing me of taking it out of context
I personally think the claim could be fake but I’m starting to get cold feet a bit and it’s scaring me. That and I heavily townread Cloned and don’t want him to die here as a result, so I don’t think I’ll change my vote unless someone gives me a good alternative.
You’ve also just directly contradicted yourself here.
I tried as hard as I could to save him.
The only reason I didn’t try harder was Pigeon’s claim.
Literal back to back sentences.
Anyway, my post cap for today is 104, so I’ll probably be slow tomorrow until the post cap is lifted. I want one wagon to be Magnus, and I want the other to come from the pool of Eli/Gorta/Leafia ← last pending sleeping on it.
Goodnight, all.
The last thing I’ll say is a reply to that post. Someone else suggested different wagons and reads can change Aelin. You’re completely ignoring that. I’m not just some mindless beast that pushes on people without a thought, and I did try hard to save Cloned. It didn’t even look like Cloned would be yeeted until nearly the day’s end and until Pigeon claimed, and even a bit after it, I didn’t think Cloned was in any danger of getting yeeted. By the time I realized that he was, I could already tell that it was too late to save him and I was scared that Pigeon could be telling the truth about being a PR and that’s when I kind of gave up, because I figured it was too late to get a CFD going and do you seriously think I would’ve wanted Cloned dead over Pigeon if I was scum? What scum wants what’s likely a VT claim dead over a literal PR claim? Also, I’m pretty sure my vote was on Magnus at SoD2. I only changed it when I think it was Proffessor wanted different wagons and put forth a good argument for having different wagons. Good night yet again everyone.
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You WILL? WOW, THATS SO CRAZY!!! ! ! ! ! ! !!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
dint woeiry gorta i belive you :)
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