[GAME THREAD 6/13] Risky Light Game: Featuring Rain - Day 4 - Mafia wonnered

[clonedcheese]

Magnus ISO

@Magnus

I cannot give this game the justice it deserves atm, and due to the post limit I would prefer to save my words for when it’s most valuable. I’ll share my thoughts sooner or later, hopefully before EoD.
In the meantime, I’ll jump on this vote. /Vote Leafia. (@Commando)

First post. Eyebrow raising, but as explained in previous posts, not explicitly AI.

@Magnus

I’m taking your explanation and applying it elsewhere, hope you don’t mind.

…I assume this one is calling Frog performative…? confused by this one

@Magnus

I have to defend myself, because apparently one post and a vote is AI.

Towny frustration imo
Basically says “why the fuck do i have to defend myself” which is a villagery mindset, as scum would subconsciously have a mindset of “i have to defend myself”

@Magnus

Here are my thoughts on these events; unlike Leafia at this time of day, Trochi decides to scumread immediately; Trochi mentioned having a few thoughts on Leafia’s apparent alignment, which cannot easily be determined at this point of the day, although at least Trochi doesn’t start by asserting Leafia is 100% undeniably Mafia or nonsense like that. Up to here, Trochi is acting Town in my eyes.

TL;DR: Trochi is aggressive and i like it

@Magnus

The same reason anyone else voted Leafia. Wasting votes, acting inherently scummy. Therefore, nothing helpful.

This should be the point that everyone’s discussing, instead of “why the random vote”
The initial vote claimed to have “further explanation on Leafia”, but the explanation of “the same reason anyone else voted Leafia” is… ew

@Magnus

I can understand this confusion, If I had been Mafia, arranging a guaranteed D1 mislynch doesn’t help the Mafia when I would be heavily suspected and likely lynched the next day. It would be safer to remain in the shadows and subtly nod suspicion into an innocent player’s direction.

Will validate this self-meta
Magnus placing that initial vote is in no way “blending in”; if the situation had been v!Leafia and w!Magnus, magnus will put some low-effort posts or even stay silent entirely, as to not get the blame later on. The only case I see w!Magnus voting Leafia like that is w!Leafia, which I don’t find very likely at this time.

@Magnus

If I recall correctly, I have already explained my reasoning behind the ‘mindless’ Leafia vote. It’s in my first wall-post. Whether or not the explanation is satisfactory enough for you doesn’t bother me.

The problem here is that they didn’t
the only explanation was in their second wallpost, saying “the same reason everyone else voted”

Conclusion:
Magnus is currently being quite confusing, especially on their justification of the Leafia vote. My perception of the business is “flimsy read, but should I really expect more”

My thought is that w!magnus would necessarily mean w!leafia, and I don’t see that happening. Combined with the towny frustration, am willing to give this slot a townlean

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ignoring every one of Professor’s posts cause all of them are giving me minor strokes
someone please solve them mechanically

[Frog]

I’m not crazy

[Professor]

@Leafia

I’m also 10 pl% certain I’ve now figured out Professor’s identity and if I’m right on who he really is, then he has improved his ability to read me I see since this is the first time since our very first game together that he’s correctly read me as a villager. That’s all I’ll say about who I think it is just in case the wolves haven’t figured it out by now.

Ah. I know who you think I am. I am not that player. Reading you is incredibly easy, and this post cements my townread of you.

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Perhaps I am confbiased here, but I think cloned is TMI’ing Magnus.

@clonedcheese

@Magnus

I have to defend myself, because apparently one post and a vote is AI.

Towny frustration imo
Basically says “why the fuck do i have to defend myself” which is a villagery mindset, as scum would subconsciously have a mindset of “i have to defend myself”

…He is saying what mindset a wolf would have while pointing out a quote of Magnus demonstrating that exact wolf mindset, literally word for word (being, “I have to defend myself”) and yet comes out with a townread.

@Frog

I’m not crazy

…What?

[clonedcheese]

@Professor

I would like Cloned and Pigeon wagons.

Scratch that last part from the last post since Professor being a jackass is about to threaten my life

This is two villa wagons that Prof is advocating for here and we need to kill Prof for it

If any of you actually read Prof’s points on me they amount to nothing short of them not understanding any of what I’m saying. See the most recent example:

@Professor

This feeble level of confidence does not match how loud and aggressive you’ve been with your reads. This is a cop-out.

The entire point of said “feeble” post was me justifying my use of RT on Brad. Furthermore, people should know I am not confident in my reads, especially this early in the game; Professor mistaking me being angry about their dickish behavior as “being loud and aggressive” is utter BS.

[Professor]

@clonedcheese

scum would subconsciously have a mindset of “i have to defend myself”

@Magnus

I have to defend myself

@clonedcheese

Towny frustration imo

[clonedcheese]

Oh cool another example

@Professor

…He is saying what mindset a wolf would have while pointing out a quote of Magnus demonstrating that exact wolf mindset, literally word for word (being, “I have to defend myself”) and yet comes out with a townread.

What person reads “I have to defend myself because apparently one post and a vote is AI” and doesn’t detect sarcasm

Oh of course

Prof’s entire case on me is just piles and piles of bullshit like this

[clonedcheese]

/vote Professor @Host_Account_2

Sorry I can’t deal with this bullshit anymore

Whether you’re being intentionally or unintentionally asinine, you’re doing a very good job of pissing me off

[Professor]

@clonedcheese

Professor mistaking me being angry about their dickish behavior as “being loud and aggressive” is utter BS.

The loudness I am referring to has nothing to do with your anger. I was mainly referring to your read of Brad, and how this doesn’t correlate with how little you are projecting your confidence to be.

@clonedcheese

What person reads “I have to defend myself because apparently one post and a vote is AI” and doesn’t detect sarcasm

The only sarcastic part was the “apparently” part. The relevant part I quoted, is not.

[clonedcheese]

someone come save me

@Aelin I don’t care if you scumread me, I need some sanity in my life

@Frog since i think you’re here as well

Can I have your take on this read

@clonedcheese

@Magnus

I have to defend myself, because apparently one post and a vote is AI.

Towny frustration imo
Basically says “why the fuck do i have to defend myself” which is a villagery mindset, as scum would subconsciously have a mindset of “i have to defend myself”

[Professor]

@clonedcheese

/vote Professor @Commando

Sorry I can’t deal with this bullshit anymore

Whether you’re being intentionally or unintentionally asinine, you’re doing a very good job of pissing me off

Am I being voted for pissing you off? You haven’t once called me a wolf. You’ve stated things like me forcing reads, pissing you off, and having bullshit reasons to accuse you, but not once have you actually called me a wolf. Thus… your behaviour is reflective of a wolf annoyed about being caught for the wrong reasons who forgot to hide their lack of TMI on their accuser being a villager.

[clonedcheese]

Just in case anyone wonders why im voting prof

@clonedcheese

Pretty sure i caught another scum here
Prof is taking way to much effort defending Brad; they wouldn’t have any reason to, unless someone was correctly accusing Brad for the correct reasons

I think Brad/Prof are W/W and id prefer to kill prof first

[Professor]

@clonedcheese

Just in case anyone wonders why im voting prof

@clonedcheese

Pretty sure i caught another scum here

Prof is taking way to much effort defending Brad; they wouldn’t have any reason to, unless someone was correctly accusing Brad for the correct reasons

I think Brad/Prof are W/W and id prefer to kill prof first

Ah yes, the posts that you accused me of defending Brad for:

@Professor

@BradLand

/Vote: thepigeonnyc @Commando

If this flips mafia then Leafia is spewed town.

Pretty sure this is correct.

@Professor

@BradLand

However when I went back to read his reasoning, it looks like he actually read what Leafia was posting?

Ironically, this is what makes Pigeon wolfier than Magnus to me.

Because either of these posts are doing that?
Not to mention, I hadn’t even read your post when I wrote these. When will you stop talking out of your ass?

[thepigeonnyc]

@Professor

and yet voted/left his vote on Magnus rather than moving to Frog

Yesterday I didn’t have much of a reason for this, but now I’m not changing it since I don’t want my vote thrown out

[Frog]

@Professor

I am… mildly offended by this.

Lol!!! I’m sorry for offending you, but I’m kind of entertained that you took your time to assuage your own ego rather than focus on ganeplay. I don’t really know if it’s alignment indicative but it helps me understand you better as a player

@clonedcheese

My definition of a “bad read” is “one with either none or bogus evidence”

My first post pretty much that, and I purposely made it so

Furthermore, trying to read a player off of one post that they made, especially to the point of trying to execute them over it, is an inherently scummy move that attempts to kill LHF.

Ok, so you’re not saying bad = incorrect, you’re saying bad = poorly framed argument

Yeah I don’t care if arguments are framed well or not, or if they even make sense tbh. Just catch wolves and win, the rest doesn’t really matter a whole lot to me, which might bother you about my playstyle going forward because I’m going to dunk on pigeon and then I’m going to catch another wolf, and then another

[Leafia]

Less than two hours until the post count restriction is lifted and I intend to use all 50 posts by the time it is. Not sure why myself. It’s just something I feel like doing. I’ll post only one more time before 5 and twice between 5 and 6.

[Frog]

@Gorta

do you mean based on reasons not feelings?

Nah bro, i mean what do you feel, I don’t care about ticky tacky stuff, I want to feel what you’re feeling

@Squirrel2412

that game is like 10000 posts long

Yeah it’s not worth re-reading tbh, if you want a reference to my meta, this is my most recent town game

@Aelin

Ah, a bit of explanation - Trochi is my best friend, and we’ve known each other for a long time. I also know that the differences between their townrange and scumrange are pretty minute, so I’m focusing more on micro reads for them.

Man… okay. I can’t help but feel like you’re mildy pocketing trochi here while simultaneously evading my previous concern. So like, you were talking about me to trochi in a way that framed me negatively. Fine. But why? It was to test Trochi I assume?

From my POV, I could see myself doing the same thing, questioning the town read and seeing how someone reacts to backing down or hanging on to the read. But it feels like that wasn’t even your play there??? So like… it just feels agenda-y

And then Im coming back to my thought on your conspiracy theory where it felt like you were trying to tie a Mafia!Professor flip to set me up for a future flip since Professor was taking heat.

And then I see this:

@Professor

Ah, was that your reason for changing your read on him? If so, I’m kind of glad that it was a mistake.

Care to join me?
/vote clonedcheese @Commando

@Aelin

Sure
But yeah I was reading cloned’s wallpost right before it and missed the cutoff where yours began

/vote clonedcheese @Commando

So now my paranoia siren is going off while I’m in the gym and I don’t want to forget this

@Frog

I’m not crazy

@clonedcheese
Talk to me, reading through your stuff

[Frog]

@clonedcheese

someone come save me

… lol don’t play to survive, play to win

Find wolves, win

I’m here until EOD more or less

[Illwei]

how many posts am i at

[Illwei]

cool this i spost 24

i wanted to hit 50 but

[Aelin]

@Frog

So like, you were talking about me to trochi in a way that framed me negatively. Fine. But why?

They were townreading you, so I was wondering if they had a different perspective on some of the things that worried me. Everyone’s already been going over and over again what they think you’ve done that’s towny, so I didn’t just want a rehashing here.

@Frog

Man… okay. I can’t help but feel like you’re mildy pocketing trochi here while simultaneously evading my previous concern.

Mildly pocketing Trochi by… talking to them? Or by calling them my best friend? Because both would be ineffective, because usually they’re so paranoid of me that they’ll reverse their read on my seven times a game lol

@Frog

And then Im coming back to my thought on your conspiracy theory where it felt like you were trying to tie a Mafia!Professor flip to set me up for a future flip since Professor was taking heat.

i mean
if you look at my language this doesn’t really make sense because 1) i agreed on the fact that professor seemed like he was whiteknighting leafia

@Aelin

If I’m really trying to go out there, you and Frog are W/W and trying to make yourselves look unaligned based on taking polarized stances on Leafia so one of you can have major sway in the game no matter what happens afterwards, because if you are experienced with Leafia, you know that as town she tends to gravitate towards following people who are townreading her.

@Aelin

If I’m really trying to go out there

@Aelin

… maybe.

it was a continuation of the previous thought of

@Aelin

@Professor

I must ask though, why do you think I would be trying to defend and pocket you? As a wolf it would make much more sense for me to allow you to continue receiving pressure

Towncred down the line could come very easily. It could also set you up for chainsaws based off of “Leafia was so towny, I told you all this very early. The fact that you still pushed makes you very wolfy.” and gives you a lot of wiggle room.

im not going to just stop at step one and in one of the last games i played this was almost exactly how it played out, with one person whiteknighting me and the other pushing me. The ‘other’ person who was pushing me is one of the people that I think Professor could be (Marshal), so, I mean…