[GAME THREAD 6/13] Risky Light Game: Featuring Rain - Day 4 - Mafia wonnered

[Professor]

@Trochilidae

@Professor

If you are town, the difference is I am at least providing you the respect of reading your posts and not lying about objective facts to your face. Unfortunately I have not been given the same treatment.

i am reading your posts
what objective facts am i lying about

Not you, Gorta. You were trying to compare me to him when we are doing completely different things. The thing which from your perspective if you’re a villager I’m doing, is being wrong, whereas Gorta’s is… lying about objective information.

I don’t know if the fact you thought I meant you is indicative of a guilty conscience.

@Trochilidae

they both have experience with each other
they are in agreement the other is town
so naturally i’m going to assume they’re either both right or both wolves buddying

They… can’t be wrong in a game of mafia? Does this mean everyone is the alignment I say they are because I’m town and have experience with everyone here? By that logic, if I were to flip would you sheep every one of my reads? Of course you wouldn’t. How come this doesn’t also mean every pair of mutual townreads between players with experience are also the same alignment? Do you see the problem with this line of reasoning?

@Aelin

@Professor

Bad faith? I’m not sure. Contradictory? Yes. Is it wolfy for Leafia? I don’t know. In fact, cloned’s flip has me questioning what actually is “textbook wolfy”. He ended up meeting most of my criteria for how a wolf acts and yet he flipped town. Contradictions were one of them.

im not actually really sure what this entire paragraph was for but just
yeah? i guess?
i dont really know if i support poor cloned play being used to justify poor leafia play

…Me neither. I just keep mulling over the fact that this game is a madhouse where wolves are given free reign to do whatever they want and get away with it because villagers are doing it too. So it’s hard to tell who is what.

@Trochilidae
One more thing,

1. Who would you kill today other than Magnus- what are your other wolfreads
2. What is your read on me?

[Aelin]

im about to take a short nap probably and then wake up in an hour
this is my last post
uh

headdesk

so im having a minor amount of paranoia at this moment and would appreciate input on it
right now its an 8v3

Frog - Post limit for D2: 103 - 75 (22/50)
BradLand - Post limit for D2: 85 - 59 (24/50)
Aelin - Post limit for D2: 104 - 104 as of this post (50/50)
Squirrel2412 - Post limit for D2: 82 - 35 (3/50)
illwei - Post limit for D2: 75 - 54 (29/50)
Leafia - Post limit for D2: 112 - 112 (50/50)
Magnus - Post limit for D2: 70 - 33 (13/50)
Gorta - Post limit for D2: 60 - 36 (26/50)
EliThePsycho - Post limit for D2: 61 - 20 (9/50)
Professor - Post limit for D2: 118 - 100 (32/50)
Trochilidae - Post limit for D2: 87 - 71 (34/50)

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Magnus has been pretty much the vote on the table all day, and I’ve been pushing him for most of it, and there’s currently 4 votes on him (at L-2), so… what’s the deal here? Why is there not a lot of pushback if he’s a wolf? I don’t really understand
uh
scratches head
if he’s a wolf, are his scumbuddies just leaving him to die?
there’ve been 242 posts today not including me
the only other wagon with more than one person is the trochilidae wagon (as of last votecount, i havent really been going thru everything for this)
to clarify im staying on magnus but im just
weh
where is everyone
i feel like my only personal interactions today have been me yelling at frog, me yelling at leafia, me yelling at gorta (why tf am i yelling so much?), and me going “oh hey there” to tro and prof, as well as basically giving up on getting anything decent out of magnus, and just
half of the game doesnt exist
sigh
idrk
whatever
last post
ill be back in an hour
please ping me with thoughts
please

[Professor]

Before I go to Iso Magnus, as it stands my thoughts on him are… inconclusive. I feel like there are a number of “textbook wolfy things” like with Pigeon (though we know it wasn’t actually AI for him) but there’s also a mixture of some hyper-self-aware posts but also posts which seem so tonally comfortable and unconcerned with their positioning that it… doesn’t feel like a wolf. Let’s see.

@Aelin

Magnus has been pretty much the vote on the table all day, and I’ve been pushing him for most of it, and there’s currently 4 votes on him (at L-2), so… what’s the deal here? Why is there not a lot of pushback if he’s a wolf? I don’t really understand

Perfect timing…
I actually started looking already and I’m really not confident it’s a hit but I’m not confident about any scumreads.

[Professor]

Actually, I don’t think any of this means anything. I am pretty confident the wolves are in the people doing nothing and allowing town to destroy itself. If we actually did catch a wolf in Magnus, I don’t think this wolfteam is the type to just step into the limelight and defend them. Usually the wolfteams that sit back and relax while village kills itself end up also being ones that bus their partners when they do actually receive heat. And if Magnus is a wolf, he is most certainly bus material.

[Frog]

@Professor

if Magnus is a wolf, he is most certainly bus material.

I was thinking through the same thing at the gym, and was like, wtf, wagons are stagnant on Magnus all day. Is Magnus getting bussed? If Magnus is a wolf, Aelin is bussing him imo

[Trochilidae]

@Professor

Not you, Gorta. You were trying to compare me to him when we are doing completely different things. The thing which from your perspective if you’re a villager I’m doing, is being wrong, whereas Gorta’s is… lying about objective information.

I don’t know if the fact you thought I meant you is indicative of a guilty conscience.

okay yeah i understand what you meant now but dude with the way you’ve been treating me i wouldn’t have been surprised if you accused me of lying out of nowhere

@Professor

They… can’t be wrong in a game of mafia? Does this mean everyone is the alignment I say they are because I’m town and have experience with everyone here? By that logic, if I were to flip would you sheep every one of my reads? Of course you wouldn’t. How come this doesn’t also mean every pair of mutual townreads between players with experience are also the same alignment? Do you see the problem with this line of reasoning?

well hey when you say it like that i just sound like a dumbass
i also found illwei towny independently and as such trusted their read on someone who they have experience with
does this make more sense to you

@Professor

• Who would you kill today other than Magnus- what are your other wolfreads
• What is your read on me?

ooh actually thank u for letting me expand on a fleeting thought i had earlier because these are slightly related
first of all on you:
i need you to be a wolf
like i seriously fucking need your whole push on me to be in bad faith so badly u don’t understand
does this mean it is? sadly not as i can technically see you pulling some of the worst shit as town which is why i got so angry
tldr rand W but painfully unsure
will come back to you once we hopefully get a wolf flip so i can do some better partner analysis

however
i can easily see you and eli as wolves together
the way eli just immediately sheeped ur read on me with no explanation and dipped, refusing to even specify me when i pinged
yeah i can see that world with no difficulty as wolf eli following his stronger wolf partner you
@ElizaThePsycho this is ur reminder ping to get tf back in here i’m not letting this go

[BradLand]

@Frog

/vote eli

@Frog

/vote trochi

No, that wasn't meant to happen!

[Frog]

@Trochilidae

are u sure you’ve read my iso if u can’t answer this

No I just skimmed through

@Trochilidae

i looked at my previous experience with illwei to try and figure out brad by extension
read no longer pending i say town now sheep me

Ok

@Trochilidae

hey i’m not actually an idiot contrary to popular opinion u know

Never said you were lol!!

@Trochilidae

this is where i point u to the entire exchange that made me vote him ft his god awful self aware gorta read

Ok so progression made you go Magnus, I’ll read up

@Trochilidae

i’m on him currently what kinda question is this i’m confused

I think you misunderstood, I wanted to know if you weren’t voting Magnus, imagine Magnus is mayor or something, where would you vote instead, how would your world views adapt?

@Trochilidae

sure my entire point was that if and only if majority of the LHF is town then we restructure shit but as it stands currently magnus is my highest scumread so i’m voting him

Ok, so you’re acknowledging a world where it could be like Aelin/Professor but youre not going there today, lame

@Trochilidae

bleeds through in games

Ok, it’s weird and not something I can like ignore, just going to defer to like illwei and brad

[BradLand]

I’m kidding @Frog

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I’m probably going to have to miss EOD again today because I’m out the house.

This is actually super annoying because the EOD’s are landing on the wrong days but I’m doing what I can.

I’ve only had time to skim, I’m still keeping my vote on Eli his stuff today isn’t inspiring any confidence that he’s town.

[Frog]

/vote Eli
@Host_Account_2

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Frog]

EOD now then

[Trochilidae]

thanks for telling me my postcount i stopped caring

i’m gone til i get off work ping me with anything important

have thoughts on this tho someone remind me

[Host_Account_2]

Voted	Voters	Votes
Magnus	Aelin, Trochilidae, Gorta, Leafia	4/6
EliThePsycho	BradLand, Frog	2/6
Trochilidae	Professor, EliThePsycho	2/6
Leafia	Illwei	1/6
Not Voting	Squirrel2412, Magnus	2

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[Frog]

@Trochilidae

Magnus W

You’ve been here a while ok

@Trochilidae

/vote magnus

Ok, hear me out

I know this is probably dumb coming from me, but like, what if you’re just conf biasing Magnus and Magnus is Town. Where do you go then?

[Professor]

@Frog

@Professor

if Magnus is a wolf, he is most certainly bus material.

I was thinking through the same thing at the gym, and was like, wtf, wagons are stagnant on Magnus all day. Is Magnus getting bussed? If Magnus is a wolf, Aelin is bussing him imo

Is this… just because you think both of them are wolves or is there anything related to Aelin’s treatment of Magnus that makes you think this?

To be honest, if Magnus flipped wolf I would probably say Trochi was bussing them. But at the same time if Magnus flipped town I don’t think I could see many worlds where Trochi is also town, so I’d probably end up still wanting to kill Trochi. Basically what I’m saying is I want to kill Trochi.

@Trochilidae

i also found illwei towny independently and as such trusted their read on someone who they have experience with
does this make more sense to you

No, it doesn’t. You literally just repeated yourself.

@Trochilidae

like i seriously fucking need your whole push on me to be in bad faith so badly u don’t understand
does this mean it is ? sadly not as i can technically see you pulling some of the worst shit as town which is why i got so angry
tldr rand W but painfully unsure
will come back to you once we hopefully get a wolf flip so i can do some better partner analysis

Really now? This wolfread feels like it’s more out of obligation than genuine belief. Kind of like some half-assed OMGUS. Why do you wolfread me?

@Trochilidae

i can easily see you and eli as wolves together
the way eli just immediately sheeped ur read on me with no explanation and dipped, refusing to even specify me when i pinged
yeah i can see that world with no difficulty as wolf eli following his stronger wolf partner you
@EliThePsycho this is ur reminder ping to get tf back in here i’m not letting this go

Right… you can see us as wolves together, but does this actually make Eli any more likely to be a wolf? I’m confused where the scumread on Eli is coming from.

[Frog]

@Professor

Aelin’s treatment of Magnus that makes you think this?

Gorta is based, Trochi has been onto Magnus since Day 1, Aelin is the only one who has this revelation push onto Magnus, so Magnus!wolf = Aelin!buswolf

[Frog]

Also, im trying to get to level 2, everyone please like this post

[Professor]

@Frog

I know this is probably dumb coming from me, but like, what if you’re just conf biasing Magnus and Magnus is Town. Where do you go then?

The fact there is no obvious answer to this question reinforces my case against Trochi. They don’t have much sense of direction or evidence of long-term thinking about future connections/associations. They don’t have any fluid, evolving reads -they’ve remained static this entire game

@Frog

Gorta is based

regardless of his alignment gorta casing me without having read my posts is indeed very based.

@Frog

Trochi has been onto Magnus since Day 1, Aelin is the only one who has this revelation push onto Magnus, so Magnus!wolf = Aelin!buswolf

Two things
Aelin was also pushing Magnus yesterday
Why would pushing Magnus since Day 1 make it less likely to be a bus anyway? Like wolves often scumread each other early and make sure they don’t actually flip each other, then reap the rewards later when they actually flip after we’ve already had one or more MLs and they get even deeper

[Professor]

As a completely unrelated aside

The bad thing about randing town on an alt is that no one listens to my damn meta reads

The good thing about randing town on an alt is that if I end up having terrible reads this game I will just never reveal my identity and it can become a meme

I would love to be immortalized as new fol’s first alt whose identity we never discovered

[Frog]

lmfao professor

I think you’re wolf and I think you’re mad that players don’t play the game you want it to be played

Like, you dont even need reasons to think or do anything, but you’re like, ‘IF YOU DONT THEN YOU MAFIA LALALALA POINTING FINGERS LALALA PLAY MY GAME!’ lol

But like, this is a glorified guessing game and a lot of stuff is just intuition recognizing real and fake