[GAME THREAD 6/13] Risky Light Game: Featuring Rain - Day 4 - Mafia wonnered

[BradLand]

I really want to be night killed so I don’t have to focus on this game anymore and I’m no longer responsible for town losing.

It won’t happen because there’s way bigger presence players than me and I’m doing next to nothing, but yeah.

[Frog]

one at a time tbh

[Aelin]

Ok
Stop going “woe is me”, brad
I wanna die too but I’m not letting that override my game stuff

[Frog]

Hey Aelin, I wrote a post explaining why we’re doing Eli / Illwei and mentioned you in it, did you get a chance to read that?

[Aelin]

Uhhh I saw something agreeing with me on “one of eli illwei is probably scum” but it didn’t address the possibility of Tro/Squirrel/Leafia or Tro/Squirrel/Gorta

[Gorta]

I think I’ve said this the other day, but Eli doesn’t seem wolfy based on my past experiences with said slot

[Aelin]

That’s good enough for me
/honorary vote on Eli but not going to bring him to L-1

[Aelin]

Before you ask, no, I did not misread gorta’s post.

[Trochilidae]

here somewhat

[Aelin]

Tro
GTH what’s my alignment. I want either “Town” or “Mafia” and then one sentence, less than 20 words explaining it.

[Gorta]

I’m just concerned we don’t have many “let’s kill this player to resolve this player” type of days left

[Frog]

These are the relevant questions for right now:

Eli

Summary

@ElizaThePsycho

Gorta makes this claim today:

@Gorta

I have a one shot tracker that I used on Professor last night

Just looked through your ISO and I noticed you haven’t spoken to Illwei or about Illwei

This is Illwei’s take:

@Illwei

gorta is probably a wolf

Can I ask for your take on Illwei and Gorta here please?

Illwei

Summary

@Illwei

gorta is probably a wolf

@Illwei

Talk to me about Gorta’s claim here

Also:

@BradLand

G2Head I would have Eli/Leafia/maybe Magnus?

@Illwei

Swap eli for aelin and we found the scumteam

You mention Eli here, and it’s in context of removing them from the POE, why?

Previously these were your only mentions of Eli:

@Illwei

/vote Eli

@Illwei

i forgot that eli is eli

/vote professor

Talk to me about what was going through your head here please

[Trochilidae]

town because if you’re not i spent half an hour finding marson for nothing

town because tone, most everyone else agrees, and effort

[BradLand]

Who is this? Aelin?

What Marson game is this?

[Aelin]

… well, I did ask for less than twenty words…
Siri, remind me im an idiot if I ever say im smart

[Squirrel2412]

I’m not done with illwei’s iso, but I realized I have less than half an hour before eod so we’re just posting this now

eli iso

@ElizaThePsycho

why does the postcap scare me this much aaaa

ironic, considering eli hasn’t made 50 posts in the whole game

@Frog

THE SUMMIT TO YEET THEPIGEONNYC
Presented By Frog

@ElizaThePsycho

Tbh this is normal pigeon

@ElizaThePsycho

I don’t remember if pigeon had any town games, I’d probably check those out if he does, but he’s like this on discord too. So I conclude that pigeon is like this as both alignments

@ElizaThePsycho

I don’t remember if pigeon had any town games, I’d probably check those out if he does, but he’s like this on discord too. So I conclude that pigeon is like this as both alignments

@ElizaThePsycho

I wouldn’t expect activity to be AI for pigeon either, mostly because the reason he hardly plays games anyways.

I think sometime earlier I argued that this isn’t a great look for Eli because it feels like TMI.

Looking at it again… the wording is a bit awkward, but I’m not sure it’s wolf-indicative.

@ElizaThePsycho

@Gorta

Spoiler alert: I think Aelin/Prof/Magnus is the wolf team, but I’m more certain of Magnus and Professor being a wolf at this point

okay so i will take this opportunity to elaborate as to why i think professor is town

• gutread, first and foremost
• is the only one actually making sense
• makes very good points about trochi

in conclusion
/vote trochi @commando sheeping my townreads

mmm

feels a bit like copping out of making his own reads

does this spew eli/trochi not W/W? maybe

@ElizaThePsycho

me scrolling up randomly
find a sus squirrel post
“hmm, ill iso that”
realize i have 10 minutes
“okay ill just post the sus post and things around it”

@Squirrel2412

oh right

there we go

/vote thepigeonnyc

@Commando

i hope theres an explanation for this vote

@Squirrel2412

if you were a vengeful, who would you kill rn

( ^ this is the sus post)

@Squirrel2412

if you were a

um

role that protects one person after they die, who would you protect?

why is squirrel asking these questions lol

@Squirrel2412

do you have a claim?

why

@Squirrel2412

@clonedcheese

In all fairness my “please kill this” radar might be overpowering my “we should kill this” radar

what’s the difference between “please kill this” and “we should kill this”??

@Squirrel2412

/vote clonedcheese

@Commando

interesting vote
it feels like you should have more of a justification for this, specailly at eod, but

@Squirrel2412

…

okay I’m waiting for a self pres and it didn’t happen

???

not going to use this iso to defend myself (already did that), but I do think that this post feels a bit opportunistic

like finding a post that you could maybe case me for and then building a read off of that instead of actually reading my iso is a bit sketch

@ElizaThePsycho

Also the Magnus kill was a PR hunt.

??

okay maybe I’m reading too much into this

but if eli’s scum who’s been checked out this game then it wouldn’t be unreasonable for him to confuse the pigeon kill (which was certainly a PR hunt) with the magnus yeet

food for thought

TL;DR: some of eli’s posts could be scummy, but there’s just not enough content for me to feel confident about reading this slot.

I’d be fine yeeting here because I doubt there’s ever going to be enough substantial posts for me to ever feel confident in reading this slot.

gorta iso

@Gorta

also why was leafia at 5/7 votes on d1 lol

@Gorta

everyone give your reasons

vaguely solvy

not especially so, but at least somewhat

questioning the consensus at the time isn’t a bad look

@Gorta

I’ll try to generate more reads over night, but for now I’m just going to vote professor

@Gorta

/vote Professor I simply don’t like this slot

@Gorta

I still have to catch up on yesterday’s stuff, but why in the world did cloned die over professor

@Gorta

@Magnus

Mainly because Cloned’s flip would resolve Pigeon, and Professor’s flip would’ve thrown Frog and Aelin into question based on whether he’s Town or Mafia.

ok, but after reading up on things why in the world did you not vote cloned first and screw the consequences

@Gorta

I mean professor, it’s late

@Gorta

y’all let a suspicious person lead the elimination process. It went from “I think cloned and pidgeon bad” to “ok guys, let’s vote cloned”

@Gorta

@Professor

Gorta, you are lucky I am on an alt and thus have to retain some form of composure, because this post really grinded my gears. You cannot expect people to follow your reads unless you explain them, and frankly your reasoning of “there are so many weird things there [Professor]” is not a real explanation.

@Professor

Gorta, if you think about why I would do what I did, it only makes sense from a town perspective. If Frog makes a massive case on Pigeon, why would I then reject this case and push my own scumread on another villager as a wolf? Both outcomes result in a mislynch, but as a wolf why would I push my wagon over instead of letting Frog do his thing? All this achieved was shifting the blame for the flip over to me, which I would have no reason to do as a wolf.

@Professor

Completely irrelevant, but I want to save a post by combining these two together.

@Gorta
I need you to explain your read on me for a number of reasons.

1. You need to see that you don’t have any real reason to scumread me, or at least not anything meaningful.
2. I need to see if your “read” on me is coming from a wolf mindset to push agenda or a wrong villager.
3. In the event that I flip, if you do not explain your read on me it is very likely that you will be chained tomorrow once people go back to see why I was actually scumread, and see that you had no real reason. I obviously do not want this happening if you are a villager, therefore you legitimately need to get your act together.

nice gaslighting, you should remember then that my gut reads are pretty decent. I’ll case you later, but remember my gut is pretty accurate. Often times I just make reads from feelings and my own gut and I am correct. I will case you though and I will be able to prove you are bad in one way or another.

@Gorta

As for the dear old professor, You can see the first seeds of suspicious behavior in how they initially scumread Pidgeon then do a 180 and make them lock town (in their eyes) by saying stuff like "if cloned is town then so is Pidgeon. The fact that Pidgeon dies after Cloned is miseliminated tells me that Professor is responsible. You also have the fact that our dear old Professor friend clears Leafias (someone who is so hard to read) when everyone scumreads Leafia. This right here seems like TMI. I also dislike anyone who starts out of the gate putting out content, it’s something you do when you want to appear towny. I encourage people to take a look themselves, but between the hard clearing of Pidgeon and Leafia d1, Pidgeon’s death, and the robotic focus on looking productive early d1 I think our dear Professor friend is nothing more than a filthy dog.

gorta spends a lot of time casing prof

I’m inclined to townlean gorta for this because I don’t really think prof was gonna get yeeted there, and I feel like a wolf would want to pick an easier target to push

but then again it could be an attempt to get people to ignore prof’s reads, so ig I’ll leave that as neutral for now

@Gorta

out of Eli and Magnus I would vote Magnus based on Eli feeling natural and not being frozen. Eli’s reasoning for clearing Pidgeon makes sense from an Eli point of view if I am remembering everything correctly. Magnus just feels awkward in thread, agrees with and helps promote Professor’s ideas, it feels like Magnus is purposely playing dumb and misrepresenting arguments made by those he is trying to push out, and there is just an off feeling with Magnus’ posts. I also think Magnus’ Cloned push looks the most agenda fueled

@Gorta

There is another thing pointing to Magnus/Professor being W/W is the fact that they look like they are distancing and not trying to kill each other (hence Professor leaving their vote on Trochi over Magnus despite Magnus being the more likely flip based on vote count). If Magnus flips wolf Professor will use that to try and claim they buried a wolf/use it for towncred then push to kill Trochi

I kinda dislike these because magnus/prof were town/town, though it could still be a case of town tunneling anyways

it does have solvy notes to it, though

@Gorta

/vote Magnus I’ll concede for this today, but I think this game will be an easy solve because I think Professor/Magnus are w/w then it’s just finding the third. The third should be easy enough to find though and I already have a few ideas

this is… kind of the opposite of setting up a chain misyeet. it’s a bit pointless for a wolf to make, since either prof or magnus would flip town.

I don’t really see a world where this comes from a wolf since it’s kind of counterintuitive.

@Gorta

I’ll tell you why I voted Magnus over Professor, I have a one shot tracker that I used on Professor last night. My plan was to vote the scummier and track Professor. This was supposed to determine to me if Professor was town or mafia because I get hyperfocused on a target

gorta’s iso is consistent, in the very least

as time goes on I like this slot more and more

@Gorta

@BradLand

Which is frustrating because I wanted to know what the dude did that made Eli towny to him.

I also thought Eli was acting towny, but here’s the deal with lack of wolf flips and two of my reads being garbage I’m losing hope man.

feels genuine

ik I’m trying to toneread someone I’ve not played with before, but I don’t think this is LAMIST

TL;DR: gorta is a lot townier than eli, and feels like a town who tunneled incorrectly
I’d prefer to vote one of the other two first

[Frog]

Ok, we’re at 30 minutes to go, and I’m not going to wait anymore

Can I start with my theories or should we wait more?

[Trochilidae]

i linked it awhile back it was on the old forum
has examples of me town, illwei town, eli wolf, aelin wolf

[Trochilidae]

i don’t know what else u expected lmao

[Aelin]

Theories
I love theories
Except when you say stupid stuff and stroke your ego because that makes me want to commit war crimes