[Game Thread - ENDGAME 2/17] The 'Supa Mario' Sorcerer17 - Mafia Wins

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

We still have over 24 hours so i reckon we should all ISO our top scumread again and ask them why they did the things that we think makes them look scummy and see if they can justify it.

After that we can all lose knowing we at east tried a bit so deadchat can’t roast us.

@Wazza @BradLand @YoubutWorse @Kiiruma

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

Cuz not being funny but I don’t rate our chances if we don’t kill mafia today

[Kiiruma]

It sounds like far too much effort to do it to me.
Basically, so far the Cloned wagon is pure.
With only me and Brad remaining for example.

IDK other stuff, my memory’s not great.

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

It’s not that much effort it takes like 15 mins and u have like 20 hours

[YoubutWorse]

heres d1

Voted	Voters	Votes
Clonedcheese	Kiiruma (#640), , Wazza (#960), Bradland, Leafia	4/9
Hippopablompoyeetus	Arete(#1391), Vulgard, Marshal, Eli	4/9
Marshal	Atlas (#957), Arctic (#1047), Clonedcheese (#1192)	3/9
Marluxion	Min, Hippo	2/9
EliThePsycho	YoubutWorse (#478)	1/9
Arctic	Marluxion (#1367)	1/9
Mistyx	Outedwolf	1/9
Not Voting	Mistyx	1

I was originally gonna make a joke and just color them random colors, but the effort that took was more than 0 so i didnt do it

[Wazza]

@Kiiruma

With only me and Brad remaining for example.

I am legit right here

[Kiiruma]

OOPS, Wazza exists.

[Wazza]

Wow:(

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

Yeah like from this I still think it looks kinda goof for ybw, would we not expect the last mafia to be on cloned? If mafia didn’t wanna vote cloned why wouldn’t they try to save him, we can see from vc maf weren’t trying to save cloned

[Hippopablompoyeetus]

is this a stupid take?

[YoubutWorse]

Here’s d2

Voted	Voters	Votes
Mistyx	Outedwolf (#2524), Vulgard, Leafia (3249), Wazza, YBW	5/7
Wazza	EliThePsycho (#2873), Mistyx (3070), Marshal	3/7
YoubutWorse	Marluxion (#3252), Hippo	2/7
Hippopablompoyeetus	Bradland (#2919)	1/7
Leafia	Kiiruma (#2638)	1/7
Not Voting	Min	1

annnnnd here’s d3

Voted	Voters	Votes
Elithepsycho	Wazza (#3684), Min (#3717), youbutworse, leafia, hippo	5/5
Leafia	Marluxion (#3517), Kiiruma, Eli	3/5
Not Voting	Bradland	1

[Kiiruma]

I don’t think it’s too bad.
It kinda makes sense and I think YBW’s not at the top of anyone’s list.

[YoubutWorse]

I’ll do that again, probably in like a few hours tho

[Host_Account_1]

Wahoo VC D4 #3

Voted	Voters	Votes
Not Voting	Bradland, Kiiruma, Youbutworse, Hippo, Wazza	5

[YoubutWorse]

@Hippopablompoyeetus

We still have over 24 hours so i reckon we should all ISO our top scumread again and ask them why they did the things that we think makes them look scummy and see if they can justify it.

After that we can all lose knowing we at east tried a bit so deadchat can’t roast us.

deadchat will roast us and has roasted us regardless, anyway

d1 quotes & analysis

@Kiiruma

Not sure why you’d even say this if you believe I am. Unless you think I’m going to make horrible decisions under the presumption I’m the sorcerer.

In which case, I can’t exactly be too mad

@Kiiruma

If I were to sorc action on anyone at this time it’d be Cloned, Atlas, Min or Leafia

sorc softs

@Kiiruma

If I’m going hard on trusting my own reads this time, then I’d argue the Atlas #869 feels artificial. Which it honestly somewhat does? I could easily see this as being on a wolf wagon (Cloned) and Atlas shifting off this one and onto another to gain credit. Maybe shifting from PR to Vanilla one.

Starts introducing a world where Atlas is wolf

@Kiiruma

I’ve already explained my reasoning.

Your start was nothing great. Your responses early on have been really weird too based off my experience with you. I also don’t know how to feel about your interactions with Arete since they were just eh.

I feel like I should be just judging your slot in isolation to others but when I look at your slot combined with some others I scumread, I’m being made nervous about them trying to CFD and protect you.

All of a sudden, Leafia’s on BradLand and Atlas is on the 2nd highest wagon Marshal. Whereas you’re looking at getting 2 people, myself and Min off your wagon which would make Marsh the next highest.

This all feels so preplanned and I don’t want to fall into a pit. I need to think it through a bit longer.

@Kiiruma

• That’s a recent change since the vc that you pinged me in had Leafia not voting you
• Fair enough for you to think that but I’m trying to do worldbuilding and it’s not looking good for you because basically if Leafia flips Maf Goon or Atlas flips maf anything it’s going to make me come right back to this
• If this was ‘getting off a villa wagon and onto a scum one’ which I may add is blatant LAMIST, I guess your point would be valid. But the fact that you’re trying to push this angle feels just really ehhh. I’m going to consider it, we have 30 mins.

distancing from cloned

@Kiiruma

I want to believe I’m right on Cloned but wagon fuckery is making me want to just cry.

Hippo’s just being Hippo and I can’t read them due to them just being… uniquely memey and confusing.
Cloned’s hitting me with AtE and I’m a sucker for that.

@Kiiruma

If you can realistically CFD someone who you think others would vote for in place of the top 3 who is it and why? I doubt people go for Marl so figure something out.

talking about potentially cfding off cloned

@Kiiruma

IDK what scum’s thinking right now and trying to work it out is a nightmare.

all of these seem towny to be honest. The sorc softs are kinda weird knowning that he never died for them, but at the same time Atlas was townread by almost everyone I felt like and maybe Mafia actually thought he was sorc or something. Then the real sorc came out d2 so it didn’t really matter anymore. They don’t talk with cloned for long, but then again even Eli who we killed for doing nothing had more than double the posts of Kiiruma at the time, so it makes sense for there to only be a few posts talking about Cloned. Thing is if they were mafia, and the same for everybody else who voted cloned, they could’ve simply voted hippo. I think kiiruma was in a bit of a tougher spot considering they stated multiple times beforehand that they didn’t know how to read hippo, so maybe they decided to leave the wagons tied that way so it didn’t seem weird voting for hippo last minute? It’s just weird to me

Okay so after day 1 I’ve been reminded of a question that I’ve had for a pretty long time, which is simply that if the cloned wagon has a mafia in it, why did none of them vote hippo. I just don’t understand why mafia wouldn’t vote hippo there. I just don’t understand it

anyway on to D2!

d2 quotes & analysis

@Kiiruma

I actually, based on precedence, still think Leafia has a high chance of being a wolf. They’re a chronic busser, buddier etc. And it makes it hard to ever trust them.

This is a quote that stuck out to me. It just feels weird, I can’t really follow the logic as to why they scumread them based off of that. Would like more details on what you were thinking at the time if you rememeber Kiiruma. @Kiiruma

@Kiiruma

I think it might be T/T top wagons.

tmi?

@Kiiruma

I think Wazza is self preserving which isn’t exactly good considering it’s self pres’ing on our PR.
But it does also make sense if she’s town like I believe. As then she’s choosing to trust herself.

@Kiiruma

I’m refusing to vote Wazza because Wazza’s response just, just reinforces my read that she’s town.
Because she didn’t intend for things to go as they have

There weren’t a lot of posts from D2, and the main thing I saw from all of them was “leafia bad, wazza good” (with obv more detail). I think it’s possible TMI they knew that the wagons would flip v/v, and therefore voted none of the people to seem more towny. It’s not like he was the only person reading Mist v tho. Marshal was also voting Wazza, who Kiiruma had opposite reads on (marshal saw Wazza W, and kiiruma saw Wazza V) They never really interact though the entierty of D1 or D2, and Kiiruma never offers a read on her until D3.

After d2 I don’t see any real reason why Kiiruma is unaligned from any of the mafia that have currently flipped honestly, which makes me feel at least a teensy bit more confident on them being a wolf.

d3 and 4 quotes & anaylsis

@Kiiruma

I cannot even begin to say how… as usual, this feels fake. But I know it can come from Leafia as any alignment. But I can’t solve the game or get close to it with someone who’s always scummy no matter what.

On top this via EoD wagonomics.
Leafia late joined onto the Cloned wagon and couldn’t come off it or would look suspicious.
Leafia late joined onto the Mist wagon and not only that but pushed others to vote them too.

Leafia’s been on purpose trying to control the EoD which I feel is more W!Leaf than T!Leaf and I feel like Leafia’s vote even on Cloned D1 felt a bit artificial and pre-planned wolf theatre.

@Kiiruma

Leafia had been too wishy washy D1, voted Cloned and then was forced to keep doubling down because if they had rescinded it, we’d make it so they both died instead of just Cloned. It was a self pres and I think blatant theatre meant to provide survivability.

@Kiiruma

@Leafia

Yeah. This slot can die. This feels super faked and nitpicky.

Pffft, geeze, you don’t know me, eh? Kinda just how I am.
I like how that’s your response to me voting you initially before you decided to do your mini retort.

@Leafia

I was the biggest pusher on Clone and one of the first to start doing so. I didn’t join late as you say.

That’s a blatant lie.

@Kiiruma

This is fair but I had no intention of voting Hip in the first place really.
They might joke about a lot which can cause a tad of a headache, however, I made my reads clear early on.
At least my one on Cloned.

I chose not to comment on Hip in comparison.
As either alignment I wouldn’t change onto them.
As town, because I wanted to believe in my read and that I was correct for once.
Or as wolf, as you said, because of how it would look.

But that’s exactly why I suspect Leafia.

Pushes onto leafia, with the an argument that could arguably be used against him as well. Not a bad argument though

@Kiiruma

Brad overall (except from you) I think has been the most clear.
And I think min bomb instead of you/Brad bomb comes from someone who’s clear and confident they can get the mis-exe’s

What do you think of Brad right now Kiiruma? @Kiiruma

@Kiiruma

But if you want to just use the laws of PoE, explain the logic behind me giving min the bomb, when Leafia and Hip would be 2 people I’d want to protect and I’d struggle to ever have you, Wazza or min exe’d and even YouButWorse has been given some leeway consistently.

So all I’d think by giving min the bomb would be ‘Well, min’s not the strongest confirm or most confident of people left over. And is likely to bomb me or one of the people I can potentially elim’.

I don’t think it makes sense for me or Hippo to mafia sorc bomb Min.

@Kiiruma

And I think min bomb instead of you/Brad bomb comes from someone who’s clear and confident they can get the mis-exe’s

@Kiiruma

And if that’s wrong, internally scream and consider who of the remainder would do min bomb.

I don’t think Hippo would, I just think that Hip/Me/Leaf are planned end exe’s

A lot of theses posts felt like WIFOM (is that how you use it?) where Kiiruma is trying to say that because min was given the bomb, he can’t be mafia. This makes me think however that Kiiruma is saying that because he gave min the bomb and wanted people to think that because min was given the bomb, one of the “clear” people is mafia.

No other quotes really stuck out to me too much

Overall, I don’t see Kiiruma being unaligned from any of the flipped mafia at any point during the game, and I also can see Kiiruma choosing Min for the bomb. I still think Kiiruma has decent~ potential of flipping maf relative to everyone in the game, so I still think I’m gonna stick my vote on him.

@Hippopablompoyeetus

It’s not that much effort it takes like 15 mins and u have like 20 hours

liar this took me like an hour >:(

Anyway, I should be able to be here tomorrow, but in case something happens or I have a ton of hw or something

/vote Kiiruma @Host_Account_1

Again, I should be able to be here tomorrow, should be able to be around for roughly 1-2 hours before EoD, but just in case I’m placing my vote here for now. I don’t know if I’ll unvote when I get back though

[Wazza]

@YoubutWorse

Again, I should be able to be here tomorrow,

I presume nightskipping will be enabled

[Wazza]

by the way, not read your post fully yet, too tired

[BradLand]

I really haven’t done anything at all and low key I’m close to going to bed and planting my vote on Kiiruma.

[BradLand]

/vote Kiiruma @Host_Account_1

I’m heading to bed and I won’t be on at EOD per usual.

Like I said my main clears are Wazza and YBW. I’m fine with the other 2 possibly being yeeted but I’m leaning more towards Kiiruma.

Good luck.

[Wazza]

Hippo, we are not hammering, there’s not even a point in ending the day early tbh, hosts aren’t even online, even if this time is wasted, might as well keep it