GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

[Lemonfairy]

where are you right now in terms of reads?
I’m debating throwing all of mine in the trash and starting over or trying to salvage some of it

[Vulgard]

lemon what would you say to killing Eliza today and Molly tomorrow if Eliza is town

@Zorvo

Yet there was not a compromise when he all of a sudden laid off of Eliza the next day and votes Molly instead.

I am literally poeing Eliza as we speak
you’re not even reading my posts and yet you’re trying to use them to case me lol

[Lemonfairy]

like just an ordered list will do

[Vulgard]

@Lemonfairy

where are you right now in terms of reads?

answer my question and I’ll give them because it’s related

[Magnus]

I’m just going to respond to these posts, because I really can’t sit aside and say nothing.

@Zorvo

Vulgard acts like it’s impossible he busses twice but not really?

The first time the dude (O.Kazo) was a lost cause anyway and can just use them to distance and look good.

The second time, it was like Marl was top wagon and Eliza probably wasn’t going over that day and I’m sure if Eliza became a top wagon over Marl near the end, Vulgard would have definitely unvoted.

I’ve already claimed to believe at least one evil is relatively evil, of which category Vulgard falls into.
First of all: through the lens that Vulgard is evil, bussing O.kazo is a reasonable course of action. Vulgard didn’t play in Flicker, but O.kazo’s performance D1 wasn’t anything particularly noteworthy. Mafia can usually afford one misexe, and Town tends to grow lenient for a few days after killing one evil this early. So that’s not totally impossible. However, at that point the two remaining Mafia desperately need to keep each other alive, and the roleblocker most importantly; leaving aside the implications of one surviving Mafia against the majority of the town alive, a living JOAT can pretty much start confirming people and making the game near-impossible to win.

Therefore, bussing w!Eliza would be an insanely risky strategy for Vulgard to employ, and possibly a losing strategy if Marl was spared. A lot of people weren’t defending Marl, and for w!Vulgard the optimal strategy would be letting Marl die without looking involved. In that case, Vulgard could vote anyone already suspected, without employing that same risk as putting Eliza on the chopping block.

@Zorvo

Vulgard used the word “Compromise” Twice.

Vulgard succumbed to the will of the Town. I could see this from a villager.

@Zorvo

Yet there was not a compromise when he all of a sudden laid off of Eliza the next day and votes Molly instead.

And from here it’s possible Vulgard got his will back. I’m not his lawyer, so we’ll see what Vulgard says when he returns.
…He returned while I was typing this. In conclusion, I don’t think w!Vulgard needs to take the risk of bussing his second partner.

@Lemonfairy

maybe I’ll ISO Magnus because I have just recently seen them in both a town game and a scum game
idk if I’ll be able to tell the difference though

You can do it, I choose to believe in you.

[Lemonfairy]

@Vulgard

lemon what would you say to killing Eliza today and Molly tomorrow if Eliza is town

I can’t really see the connection between Eliza and Molly?
would make more sense to kill Ilwei/Molly (because Molly was pushing for Ilwei slot D1)

if the maj of people want Eliza gone, I wouldn’t strongly go against it but I don’t think I’d vote there

[Vulgard]

@Magnus

I’ve already claimed to believe at least one evil is relatively evil, of which category Vulgard falls into.
First of all: through the lens that Vulgard is evil, bussing O.kazo is a reasonable course of action. Vulgard didn’t play in Flicker, but O.kazo’s performance D1 wasn’t anything particularly noteworthy. Mafia can usually afford one misexe, and Town tends to grow lenient for a few days after killing one evil this early. So that’s not totally impossible. However , at that point the two remaining Mafia desperately need to keep each other alive, and the roleblocker most importantly; leaving aside the implications of one surviving Mafia against the majority of the town alive, a living JOAT can pretty much start confirming people and making the game near-impossible to win.

Therefore, bussing w!Eliza would be an insanely risky strategy for Vulgard to employ, and possibly a losing strategy if Marl was spared. A lot of people weren’t defending Marl, and for w!Vulgard the optimal strategy would be letting Marl die without looking involved. In that case, Vulgard could vote anyone already suspected, without employing that same risk as putting Eliza on the chopping block.

regardless of your alignment this is the first very good argument you’ve made this game

[Magnus]

I can’t tell if you’re trying to compliment or jibe me here.

[Vulgard]

I’m asking because I think if Eliza is mafia you’re the most likely partner for that defense yesterday and if Eliza is town you’re probably town as well and Molly looks bad for trying to get you voted out first

idk how Magnus factors into this but I also still don’t townread him although I think his defense of me just now is good

I townread kt, am reconsidering may but not really reaching any conclusions (I feel like they’re barely playing the game but that fact seems nai), I think ybw has been villagery and definitely more villagery than Magnus but if I’m misreading Magnus then maybe I should look there

I think Brad is pretty comfortably town

[Vulgard]

kind of both? it’s definitely a good argument but I think your previous ones have not been great to say the least

[Vulgard]

oh yeah illwei’s slot exists I genuinely forget that it does
would be okay with killing there as well and it probably needs to die at some point because it’s not towntelling at all

[Vulgard]

zorvo is unfortunately town but he’s been playing really badly since his o. kazo push

[Vulgard]

I’m confident enough on zorvo that if he gets me voted out I’ll ask you not to kill him later because he’s town just don’t let the game get to lylo I guess

[Lemonfairy]

I hope I’m right on Eliza
like, I’m not super confident but comfortably confident and that’s often when I’m right

[Vulgard]

@Magnus

Vulgard succumbed to the will of the Town. I could see this from a villager.

you were clearly going to murder marl regardless of my actions, like I kept saying he was town and he kept getting wolfreads and votes anyway

[Vulgard]

would you be willing to vote her out and then molly
I’ll be honest I think you’re defending a wolf
but if you’re not then like I said the wolf is probably molly

[Vulgard]

also what do you think about magnus

[Lemonfairy]

maybe, if someone I TR more is the counterwagon
idk if I’m defending a wolf or not but I don’t think it’s a wolf
I’m not a wolf
idk about molly but I want to think it’s a wolf

[Magnus]

@Vulgard

you were clearly going to murder marl regardless of my actions, like I kept saying he was town and he kept getting wolfreads and votes anyway

I hope “you” is general and not targeted at me, because I never voted nor agreed with his execution.

[Lemonfairy]

I’m looking for something specific that I’m not even sure if it’s a wolftell for them or not
so far, I haven’t found it