GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

[Illwei]

smh fine

[KingTroll]

oh right uhhh

god. hmmm

i think lemon and may aren’t w/w, i think that brad and may aren’t w/w

[Lemonfairy]

Illwei/Brad not w/w
May/KT not w/w
YBW/KT not w/w

uhhh
Magnus/YBW not w/w

[Lemonfairy]

lemon once again giving obvious/basic takes

[Lemonfairy]

@ElizaThePsycho

Molly is townie from the 10 posts I read
YBW should be looked into

@ElizaThePsycho

Vul should be looked into too

bringing up Eliza’s final reads because I promised I’d look at it
and I would forget otherwise

[Lemonfairy]

I know both Zorvo and Eliza said molly is town
and someone (forgot who) said something about everyone agreeing on molly being the exe means she’s more likely town?

hmmm
I feel like everyone else is just townier though

[YoubutWorse]

NGL kinda lost WIM after that flip but I’m still gonna try to be productive
Do want to apologize to Eliza as I tunneled them prety hard and was completely wrong but I can’t change the past so I’m not gonna spend a ton of time worrying about it.

@Host_Account_1

Zorvo has died, they were…

Vanilla Town

I respect you so fucking much I 100% believed you were JOAT

@KingTroll

i think magnus, molly and brad are the real main wagons for the day i think illwei has cleared their slot and i think pointlessly thunderdoming may would be useless and take our wims out back to have it’s kneecaps broken whenever one of us inevitably flips town

I wouldn’t say Illwei is cleared and along with that I’m lowkey tinfoiling Vulgard but I don’t think we kill either of them today. Also Brad IMO is more towny than molly or magnus (frommemory)

@Vulgard

With Molly I get the sense she doesn’t really care and those wolfreads are out there just so she can say that she has them.

Thank you for actually making a case on Molly I can follow, not super oopossed to that exe rn

@KingTroll

everyone agreeing it was eliza

From personal experience of yelling at people to vote Eliza I can tell you not everybody agreed it was Eliza

anyway hi im here now, I’m ok with a molly exe, magnus is slightly towny in my eyes mainyl for believing the JOAT thing but at the same time they could’ve just been maf goon who was checked on the night they didn’t do something so eh

[Illwei]

VOTE: magnus

[Magnus]

Someone’s miscleared, I can feel it in the air.

@Host_Account_1

10x Vanilla Town
2x Town Jack-of-All-Trades
2x Mafia Goon
1x Mafia Roleblocker (Non-consecutive)

@Host_Account_1

Living Players

BradLand
KingTroll
Lemonfairy
Magnus
May
mollylikesorigami
Silviu200530 r. illwei
Vulgard
YoubutWorse

I think in worlds where Mafia doesn’t buy Zorvo’s claim, they roleblock him (just in case) and kill someone else, which suggests Mafia thought he was real. That narrows down nothing, I think the only person who doubted him would’ve been the real JOAT.

With two evils alive, we have three more days. At this point I understand if I need to be executed for the endgame, just so I’m not the misexe evils push for, but I’m certainly not advocating for my own demise.

I feel like there’s an evil between YBW and KT, partially due to their pocketing exchange earlier. I don’t think Vulgard’s a wolf. We don’t have the evidence to entirely know whether Illwei’s good or not. Cases can be made for Brad or Lemon being good or evil. People are voting Molly on suspicion of stagnant reads(?). May’s leading the charge.

With that said, I fully recommend everyone reexamines their townreads.

[Magnus]

@YoubutWorse

magnus is slightly towny in my eyes mainyl for believing the JOAT thing but at the same time they could’ve just been maf goon who was checked on the night they didn’t do something so eh

If I was smart, I would’ve reacted the way I did regardless of whether or not Zorvo was being truthful. It only would’ve impacted my night actions, not what I said or did during the day.

[Illwei]

Ugh lemon dont make me doubt you rn

[Magnus]

@Zorvo

Cause they aren’t wolves with Eliza

My legacy is this.
Eliza!Wolf flip, PoE in Vulgard, Lemon, King, May and Molly, no one else.

If Eliza flips Town, I’d propose to vote King with May.

I think it’s clear Zorvo trusted both myself and YBW, but we aren’t mechclear by any stretch of the imagination.
…Yeah, I think Vulgard and May are the only two people I’m willing to trust at the moment. YBW still looks a lot better than the first half of the game, though.

@May

Given the fact that an explanation eludes me for now, and that I think KT’s most likely hypothetical partner is Molly, and that other people agree with me that Molly’s a bit scummy, etc etc et al, I’ll leave a VOTE: Molly. I’m not as strongly insistent on my KT read as I was yesterday, I think

@Illwei

because they’d know that the feedback was false and wouldn’t kill zorvo

Technically it just doesn’t mean either of us would’ve visited on the nights we were checked, assuming that’s the case. Even if YBW was the Roleblocker, they couldn’t have acted N2 since it’s non-consecutive.

[May]

It can’t block the same person twice in a row, but it can block twice in a row

[Lemonfairy]

wait
I can kind of see a molly/May world but I might just be tinfoiling

@mollylikesorigami

i think the may tr is being a little oversold, but they are pretty consistently villagery, and a few of the strongest trs on them seem unaligned from them, so i’m not worried wolves are like, taking advantage of the read or anything.

May and Troll can’t be wolves together
can I see Troll/molly?

no

@mollylikesorigami

kt if i post a wheel of parmesan cheese will you like it

@mollylikesorigami

surprise motherfucker it’s actually pecorino

^the above is imo unaligned
yes, this is a serious take

@mollylikesorigami

if v… i dunno, i usually don’t see v flips as particularly telling. i’d start with the same brad/okazo poe most likely, unless there was a super weird nk that suggested wolves are deep.

w/w potential with brad?
idk if scum would put both teammates together like this?

@mollylikesorigami

since kazo helped start the vul wagon, if kazo flips red, i think at least one wolf helped start the vul wagon

serious answer is uhhhhhh idrk lol. don’t think kazo/vul is w/w right now, i think (without actually looking back to see how they ended up on kazo) that any of magnus, lol and eliza could hypothetically bussing, but i have no real reason to think any of them are, so looking into that seems super speculative. with his thread position i think wolfmates would probably want to at least shade kazo though.

don’t think molly/vul can be w/w?

@mollylikesorigami

marl
may
min
vul
zorvo

kt
lemon
lol
magnus
ybw

eliza

brad
okazo
silviu

i think this is about where i’m at

the tiers aren’t ordered just alphabetical

consider eliza the null line

@mollylikesorigami

i haven’t really been convinced by the marl pushes

i’ve still found him towny and my snap thought post-flip was that kazo’s marl read seemed like tmi

everyone and their mother finding a different reason to wolf read marl is a little trippy for me, and it would normally make me feel like i’m missing something obvious that everyone else is seeing, but like

just by scrolling to random sections of his iso i keep townreading him? like the way he goes hard at vul, then hard pivots to shielding him when vul’s still contentious, comes off as villagery lack of agenda, the way his initial wolf read on zorvo corroded felt natural and like he really wanted zorvo to still be a wolf but it just didn’t work out, and there’s just a general vibe that he’s looking under every rock to form and triple check all his reads at all times

this is a towny post in hindsight

@mollylikesorigami

i haven’t looked into spew that much yet, but i think both eliza and kt are getting a lot townier today

i have definitely seen moments of towniness from brad today and would take him out of the immediate poe, but idg how he thinks he’s been obvious town since d1 lol

i was gonna say that silviu’s last words being “i’m gonna look at kazo” were them freezing the moment they had to talk about a partner lmao, but that read obviously doesn’t apply now

this is also ok

@mollylikesorigami

i don’t really put any stock in transparency, because like, wolves can be genuinely transparent. it depends whether the actual thought process is towny or not, not whether it’s clearly shown for everyone. i thought that for most of d1, most of your solving was pretty limp and trivial, and easy for a wolf to replicate.

by moments of towniness, i’m thinking of things like how you’re getting talked off of your magnus/silviu reads, and as you absorb what other people are saying about them, you change your mind, but there’s this, like, reluctance to do it that feels genuine, and makes it seem like you’re really evaluating them.

hmmmm

@mollylikesorigami

i was waiting to see if lemon would improve, and her popin basically just said she won’t.

still hate this
but might be more OMGUS than not

sigh

[Magnus]

I might be incorrect, but that assumption’s given what “non-consecutive” meant in ‘80s.

[May]

Sample rolecards are in the first post, Magnus.

[Magnus]

@Host_Account_1

Roleblock: Prevent a player from using actions tonight. You cannot target the same player on consecutive nights.

My bad, ignore me.

[YoubutWorse]

@Magnus

YBW still looks a lot better than the first half of the game, though.

I think i look worse then I did at the start of the game honestly so

[Magnus]

I thought you looked terrible at the beginning of the game, because I was seeing things nobody else did. So that’s fmpov.

[Lemonfairy]

@Magnus

Someone’s miscleared, I can feel it in the air.

who do you think it is?

never mind you answer it later

@Magnus

I feel like there’s an evil between YBW and KT, partially due to their pocketing exchange earlier. I don’t think Vulgard’s a wolf. We don’t have the evidence to entirely know whether Illwei’s good or not. Cases can be made for Brad or Lemon being good or evil. People are voting Molly on suspicion of stagnant reads(?). May’s leading the charge.

I can take myself out
YBW/KT
Illwei/Brad
molly? - are you saying molly could be scum?
May - are you saying May is town?