Happy Tree Friends FM - Game Thread Night 3 13/20

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#3474

Like @Leafia let’s be realistic.

Citizen
Insane
Vigilante - Confirmable (also just dies 50% of time)
Lookout - Confirmable
Tracker - Confirmable
Trapper - Confirmable
Indecisive Doctor
Investigator - Confirmable
Sheriff - Confirmable
Mayor - Confirmable
Witch - Confirmable
Resurrectionist - Confirmable
Roleblocker - Confirmable
Seer - Confirmable
Town Universal backup - Confirmable

Only roles which are non-confirmable are Doctor, Citizen and Insane.

If you think everyone has a role, then it’s night impossible for scum to win this.
Well, non-factional scum.

Cause like… mafia has counters to all of this. Neutrals don’t.
That’s also the reason why I’m here.

#3475

We don’t and that’s not how the game is meant to be played.

#3476

I’m aware of that.

#3477

Sure, you say it’s risky, why is it risky?

#3478

yeah but like
why would we keep you around
shooting you is like
super safe lol

#3479

There’s really not any “meant to be played” defined?
We just need to kill all evils
If an evil wants to help us do that, be my guest

#3480

It is.

Thing is - it will always be.
What’s more, I’m directly going against mafia rn, as you can see.

And I did put a target on me by outing a role. Becouse as it’s said, anti-claim bypasses immunities.
Meaning mafia will need to kill me at some point.

That also wastes theirs action.

Yes, I taken directly anti-mafia route, which Marl maybe understood.
That’s what he said at least, I am dooming mafia with this move.

#3481

…cool?

I don’t get what you want us to say, you admitted to being something against us as well, you know

#3482

I wouldn’t say that and I don’t think the town roles are as confirmable as you think they are even if a lot of them are. I do agree there’s probably at least some VTs though. Also, in ToS, VTs literally don’t exist. You also vastly overestimate townplay if you think it would be impossible for town to win this if everyone had a PR. Also, I’m not talking about the forum ToS here.

#3483

Because you could end up winning and not town. You said it yourself that letting you live gives you a chance to win.

#3484

I do.

And I still think it’s better for me to aim for FoL forum to fuck up and not lynch enough wolfs, which would put me into “We can kingmake eevee into victory in exchange for his try to help”.

It did happen before in game with exactly this roles.

And can you really blame me I got this idea?

Like originally this arso had no immunity to kills. Could be find by all invests. Didn’t frame, didn’t do anything.
Like literally a guy with gasoline and nothing else going for it.

Now it’s bit better, admirably, since it got night immunity. But like… the thought is still the same.
It’s underpowered role.

Weaker than in ToS forum, where douses were framing doused people.

And a lot of other roles (namely invest) got WAY stronger.
Invest getting 3 random roles (not having categories) makes it straight impossible to prepare for it.

#3485

Which ones?

There is no scum role which can see who visited whom.

Roleblocks give feedback.

Witch is literally giving items to other people.
Ressu is literally reviving people.

Only barely fakeclaimable stuff is like… sheriff? Maybe seer?
That is beside doctor.

#3486

no, I’m saying I don’t buy it because that’s an easy scum role to claim and it puts a target on your back as well. I’m saying I don’t think you are town based on the claim

#3487

er easy to claim as scum

#3488

Yes, in a situation where town would normally not be able to win.

Becouse NK endgames the mafia.
While mafia would endgame the town.

So if town fails heavily to hunt down all mafia, to the point they can be endgamed, I would be able to carry on the game forward.

Imagine situation 4 vs 4 mafia vs town.
Mafia wins due to parity.

Imagine situation with 4 mafia vs 3 town + arso.
Not only game continues, but I suddenly can win AND turn the game around.

So I am hoping that FoL will fail to hunt down mafia, yes.
That’s when I want to take over. In situation where town would normally already lose.
Only then.

#3489

so wait, eevee is claiming noot?

#3490

Yeah.

#3491

We have a possible consort as a mafia role if you haven’t noticed and honestly, sheriff would be the easiest thing in the world for mafia to fake unless they got unlucky with a lookout or tracker, although if there’s a framer, they could safely claim it very easily. Invest might be a bit tougher unless you’re good at deduction or if there’s a consig. Hopefully Marl is the only consig mafia have.

#3492

Well FWIW I am claiming a shot on eevee, so whatever happens will just be confirmable by the investigative roles.

#3493

You are thinking for mafia.

Think now from my perspective.