Hell Echoes FM - TOWN VICTORY

[Hazardwaste]

They are the only one i have had sus on that hasn’t changed

[Kiiruma]

Neon’s vote seems to be paranoia that me v Olivest were W/W wagons and that we just hard bussed each other for cred.

Which is fair enough but like, at the time I voted Olivest, there literally was nobody else on them.
So in that world I decided to bus Olivest instead of having anyone else towny as my counterwagon.

[Frostwolf103]

Yeah I think so too.

[Italy]

@Frostwolf103

The issue is, you’re not the only one who has this passive now.

that is a passive that tells you a mechanic is in the game
my passive actually has the mechanic be in the game
there is a big difference

[Hazardwaste]

Right time for ASK HAZARD ANYTHING BEFORE HE DIES OF SLEEP
Who is up first

[Italy]

why are you playing mafia drunk

[Frostwolf103]

My head already hurts.

[Italy]

seth & atlas knew the mechanic was in the game
that is their passive
my passive is the mechanic itself

[Hazardwaste]

I was tipsy. Not drunk. But like i was stating i wouldnt be replying for a few hours. I have to do this cause apparently people think i am not talking enough

[Hazardwaste]

Trust me. I would never make read ors observations while under the influence

[Frostwolf103]

@Kiiruma

The Kiiruma reads list:
10
9
8 - Achromatic
7 - Zorvo/Atlas, Sylveon, Italy
6 - JakeTheWolfie, Hazard, Guava, Neon
5 - Frost, Garfooled
4 - Jarek
3 - Olivest
2 -
1 -

@Kiiruma

Overall Achro seems to be saying things which feel towny and their points have come across well. I think overall they’re the most likely to be town but I’m worried about him powerwolfing since from what I remember, Achro’s a pretty decent all-round player.

Olivest at some points feels a bit too relaxed and their interactions with others sometimes have been lacking (Ironic I know since I’m a lowposter) but I feel like Olivest knows more than they should do.

I dislike Jarek’s slight obsession early about their ‘claim’ and I don’t exactly see that as a towny thing from their slot since it just takes up some thread space without really providing anything of sustenance in return.

@Kiiruma

I didn’t vote Olivest at the time because of the fact that I had been asked who I would want to kill today and it was pointed out I was on a slank vote. Which… at the time… Olivest also would have been a slank vote. Hence why I said I would vote Italy out of the current wagons.

Because although I hadn’t fully explained it, Italy was my weakest read out of those I had as a 7.
I personally am more confident on my reads on Zorvo/Atlas and Sylveon there but at the time I made my readslist put Italy tentatively 1 place above many others because I thought they were a bit more towny.

VOTE: Olivest

I would much prefer to wagon this slot. It was a thing for a bit while I was gone. Annoyingly it no longer is, but I think from their entrance this is more likely than any other current wagons to flip as a wolf. And I don’t want to vote Italy here because I do still townread the slot.

@Kiiruma

We have 9 hours left, there is absolutely no need for me to self-pres at this time, so instead can we look into other wagons which some of us might be able to agree on? My reads haven’t exactly changed much while others have been posting tbh.

Achro getting paranoia that I’m trying to pocket him is fair and annoyingly I can’t really do much about it rn since it seems he’s got it fairly set in his mind that I’m a wolf because I had the unfortunate circumstance of… voting someone who could be town but was purely for pressure earlier. And hadn’t at the time changed my thing… despite the fact Frost also hadn’t exactly become a more mid-poster either.

@Kiiruma

Plus some others may know town me vs scum me better.
The fact that you’re looking into a BotF in order to gain traction on my slot being voted is a bit of an oof to me.

I do hope I don’t come across as too hardheaded but I can be that sometimes.

@Achromatic

I have not looked at that game but someone said you took a similar tact there and neon requested the link.

Also olivest has at no point imo been a slank vote as they have a lot of posts.

Will let others give thoughts though.

@Kiiruma

Ah I mixed up slank vote, with vanity vote.
That’s my mistake

Frost was both a slank vote and vanity vote.
Olivest was (at the time) a vanity vote but not a slank vote so that’s why I got mixed up.

@Kiiruma

A 10 is literally mechanically lock town, so that’ll basically never happen

The last one is quite deep, but might be true. There are few roles that can’t be faked by pretending to confirm themselves mechanically.

Especially from investigative types of claims, Kiiruma, Sylveon, Garfooled may or may not have contain wolf that’s faking it. Now of course Guava is more or less ‘confirmed’ by mechanics because can’t visit someone, which may have implied being a ninja. However Sylveon have matched Zorvo/Atlas with Guava and comes back with a match. So that whole ninja aspect is thrown out of the window before it could be discussed today.

Kiiruma hasn’t explained his N1 action I suppose, however I will find out.

@Kiiruma

My current solve (Just in case I die at night): Olivest, Jarek, someone I had as 5 before
Do look at my reads, I know I’m sometimes wrong and sometimes right but I’ve tried here on them.

I could be wrong, if I survive I’ll ofc do I’m reeval’ing.
At this point my biggest ‘worry’ (albeit not a worry at all) is that Sylveon and Olivest could be evils doing theatre by voting and sussing each other. But I think that’s a bit of a niche world.

@Kiiruma

Plus in this world our wagons are W/W which is kinda just hype anyway lol.

That’s that from day 1, what I can say that he got Jarek and Olivest on low end of his list, is quite coincidentally however ended up correct in the end. He hasn’t interacted with both of them until second half of Day 1

@Kiiruma

Also uhh… why were no TPs on Zorvo/Atlas or Achro

Wow that’s uh…a great question why you didn’t do it yourself.

@Kiiruma

Overall I do feel like now that Olivest died and did flip W, we have a lot more to look at than we would have otherwise. Their interactions with some slots (or lack thereof) could be potentially useful.

I would think that the wagons yesterday can be very telling, however, I am concerned that had it gone the other way and I had flipped, town probably would’ve pushed on Olivest today and then everything D1 would’ve been revealed as it is.

Therefore the wagon might not exactly be fully pure?
Olivest’s power also probably wouldn’t do much early on so it’s a fine sacrifice.

Jake is the only one alive that voted you on that wagon, unless no wait I might be mistaken. I am only looking through Host VC’s so if you recall someone who voted you before and then hopped off elsewhere, be free to let me know.

@Kiiruma

I’m a bit worried that one of the others on Olivest might have been bussing them to gain cred.
If there was another wolf on my wagon then it would have to be Jake

At peak, the voters on Olivest were yourself, Achromatic, Hazardwaste, Sylveon and Garfooled

At Day 2, yourself and Hazardwaste remained on fence. Garfooled, Sylveon and Achromatic voted Jarek

Suffice to say, it’s not looking good on you along with Hazardwaste, even though Neon and myself are on vanity wagons and I know in that brief moment it’s not possible for me to vote Jarek without making a tie and I kinda afraid that Achromatic is going to freeze when I voted Jarek, not switching to Jarek.

That’s about day 2.

@Kiiruma

Because I felt like me pointing out nobody was on Achro might make… I dunno, a TP actually protect Achro.

@Kiiruma

Atm I’m having to try and do WIFOM with my watcher ability.
And IDK who the right person is to be on

@Kiiruma

N1) Achromatic - Not visited by anyone else
N2) Sylveon - Not visited by anyone else

Are you indecisive?

[Hazardwaste]

Cause i didnt vote second day?

[Frostwolf103]

You did first day and then you haven’t, yeah.

[Hazardwaste]

If you read my messages before the EoD of 2nd day i said something along the lines of “i was gonna vote slyveon but i feel uncomfortable doing so seeing the people voting them now. I will wait to vote till i see a true reason to hammer them now”. And i am glad i didnt cause its not them

[Hazardwaste]

I dislike people picking me off cause of my decision to not vote. I didnt vote to save jarek, i didnt vote to kill slyveon.

[Hazardwaste]

I am an awful wolf team mate if i decided to kill both my wolf chums without putting up a fight

[Hazardwaste]

And then present an ability that is unconfirmable and really strong and explains why i wouldnt die at night

[Hazardwaste]

Like come on Frost. I am dumb but not that fucking dumb

[Frostwolf103]

I haven’t said you were.

[Hazardwaste]

Just stating its a fair suspicion on me. But it would make me a bad wolf player if i was currently wolf.