Hell Echoes FM - TOWN VICTORY

[Neon]

@Garfooled

Neon’s push itself on Jackie wasn’t right when they had more to consider from more active players but the response from the push they got as “oh I’m always an easy target” felt a bit scummy to me.

Why? Why am I not allowed to push someone just because they aren’t the top fucking poster. This logic sucks.

[Neon]

@Zorvo

What info does it provide?
Name me 3 players that talked about Hazardwaste.

See the nice thing about forum mafia is people have to vote

So you can read into that…weird I know. Imagine we kill a wolf and read into who defended them and who didn’t weird I know.

Imagine we kill a town and don’t leave them for F3 where they just die cause they’ve done nothing and we read into who voted them and why. Weird I know

Its almost like you think the only info that comes out of FM comes from killing the top posters regardless of if they actually need to be killed or not and letting slank wolves survive until its too late…weird I know.

[Neon]

@Zorvo

There’s a difference between a wolf and a wolfy player,
Learn it.
That’s my suggestion to you anyway.

There’s a difference between being a good player and being a dick. Learn it.

[Neon]

@Zorvo

Let me make this more simpler for you.

Let me make this simple for you.

@Zorvo

Are chances of finding wolves are 3/13.
So we have a 10/13 chance of executing a Town member today.

Just kill a wolf fourhead.

[Neon]

@Zorvo

If we execute those with low resolving, we don’t gain anything from their Miss execution even if you want to argue they are low poster, cool I don’t give a fuck they don’t provide info.

Cool this doesn’t actually win games

[Neon]

@Zorvo

Anyone in Mid and High Resolving provides allot more info.
Ask me a name in there and I’ll explain why.

Cool. It also kills towns who actually do something. Weird I know. But also kinda shit strategy to win the game.

[Neon]

@Neon

Cool. It also kills towns who actually do something. Weird I know. But also kinda shit strategy to win the game.

In fact.

[Neon]

Was Zorvo’s secret all powerful strategy for this game to channel his inner Memes but turn the annoying self aggrandizing I’m better than y’all behavior up 10x more and be rude about it?

Cause if so 10 out of 10 your doing great. But if your actually trying to accomplish winning a game as town 0 out of 10 nobody is gonna work with you when you are behaving like this.

[Host_Account_4]

Votecount as of post #808

Zorvo (1): Sylveon
Italy (1): Jarek
Neon (1): Achromatic
Frostwolf103 (1): Kiiruma
Kiiruma (1): Zorvo

Not Voting (9): Hazardwaste, Atlas, Italy, Frostwolf103, Garfooled, Olivest, guavagudetama, JakeTheWolfie, Neon

[guavagudetama]

@Achromatic

The only thing that stops me from winning is me, and thus i am invincible

Based

@Neon

Why should I provide commentary when I have nothing to add of value?

Based

@Jarek

VOTE: Jarek

Stop

@Jarek

VOTE: Italy

Thank you

@Host_Account_4

Olivest (1): Achromatic
Zorvo (1): Sylveon
Sylveon (1): Zorvo
JakeTheWolfie (1): Neon
Italy (1): Jarek

Can we get a 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1?

@Atlas

As scum, i have already adapted to a way to beat your current meta
Why would I use a weaker version of my personality when interacting with you, when i could use a far greater one i have improved for that specification

Does using said personality not in turn make you look like a wolf since you would use it as a wolf?
So if you would “use it as a wolf” you then proceed to not use it as a wolf to subvert expectations and get townread

@Zorvo

@Kiiruma

That’s nice.

^
@Neon
Vote this.

I hate this
This makes me want to vote Zorvo so bad

@Achromatic

Your lack of ability to understand me is not a failing of me.

Super Based

@Zorvo

I will retire from mafia if I’m wrong

Don’t say that I don’t want you to leave

@Kiiruma

1, you’re.

Sit down

@Kiiruma

2, you’re literally just doing a ratio, don’t act like it’s a thing you know for a fact.

It makes sense though, doesn’t it?
Unless, like he theorized, we have a neutral

@Kiiruma

You should understand where things seem a bit ridiculous.

I do!
VOTE: Kiiruma

@Kiiruma

Do I know the typical ratio is 3:1 Town:Mafia? Yes.

It doesn’t feel like it

@Kiiruma

Don’t speak in absolutes, Zorvo.

If there aren’t 3 wolves or 2 wolves and a neutral I’ll be incredibly shocked because even though we don’t know what’s in the setup it’s gotta be balanced, right?
This seems like something that is okay to assume and I don’t understand why you’re so opposed unless you know otherwise

@Kiiruma

And don’t even try and read me off of me either townreading people or questioning your wording choices.

“Don’t read me for the things I say”
Are you serious?
Are you being for real?
There’s no way
You gotta be playing us

@Zorvo

Don’t focus on lacklusting players.
It doesn’t give us shit except another Town loss.
Vote for Info.

She should still be voting Jake if she’s confident he’s a wolf.
I would rather kill a wolf than a town that “gives info”

@Kiiruma

Hey guys, I’m a townie so my reads are definitely the exact same as Zorvo’s, don’t worry about my own.
I’ll just sheep him because I’m sure that would never go wrong.

Hm
Let’s read what Zorvo said again

@Zorvo

We both disagree buddy!
Me and Atlas don’t like Italy and Sylveon’s posts.
Your town reads on them came from thin air.
Doesn’t take an Einstein to figure out your wall post was bad, even Achro and Neon addressed concern.

So like
Obviously this was rude
I wait when people are like “DURRR UR OBVI BAD ” unless it’s mech info

However!

He never said that your reads had to be the exact same
He said his reads were the same as Atlas’

I could be reading this wrong Because one of us has to be reading it wrong
But I think you’re reacting like he said “you can’t have an opinion” when he didn’t

@Zorvo

There’s a difference between a wolf and a wolfy player,
Learn it.

“There’s a difference between a wolf and a town playing like a wolf”
Is that what you were trying to say?
Also not the “learn it”
That’s the type of shit I say when I’m purposefully trying to piss someone off
Stop

@Zorvo

Are chances of finding wolves are 3/13.
So we have a 10/13 chance of executing a Town member today.

The game isn’t rng though
We’re not rolling a d12 every round to decide where our vote goes
Social info changes these odds
Is that really such a wild concept for you?

@Kiiruma

Claiming that I was complaining that you’re ‘too smart for me’ is a big fucking stretch on your part too Zorvo.

Can you quote this

@Olivest

actually no the fuck i wont
bye losers im gonna spend time with my loved ones

The most based post all game

@Neon

There’s a difference between being a good player and being a dick. Learn it.

FACTS

And that’s backread wallpost 2
I’m about to go on lunch break from class so I’ll be 100% available for ~30 minutes

[Garfooled]

Because u pulled it out of thin air imo. “Let’s disregard everything everyone else said, say it’s not worth considering and start a different wagon that is only based on someone’s low posting and tone.”

U were, regardless of what u told everyone else, telling the frequent posters that their posts weren’t worth your consideration and then zoned in on one easy target.

[Garfooled]

Not that I’m scum reading you for that. I also said that their response being that they’re an easy target was weird as well.

[Atlas]

@Kiiruma

This I find to be… very interesting. It’s almost as if Zorvo pulled this from… literally nowhere.

no, thats what i said to him earlier
3 wolves in nightmare, so likely three here

[Atlas]

i’d call kii’s frustration against Zorvo towny but

1. he would probably get annoyed against him as either AI
2. he gets annoyed by pushes as scum. yes, i took this from botf d2

[Atlas]

@Atlas

he gets annoyed by pushes as scum. yes, i took this from botf d2

he is missing something else he’d do as scum but
zorvo isn’t going to make him do it by pushing him

[Kiiruma]

I mean its a fair point.
I just thought Zorvo was speaking in absolutes which felt a bit off.

It likely would be 3 wolves. And 10 town or 9 and a neut of some kind. Just balance wise.

But I don’t know it is that for a fact

[Jarek]

@guavagudetama

Stop

Random number generator made me do it

[Achromatic]

I am mulling over Kiiruma in my head comparing how i have been treated on tone to say neon.

Earlier i asked neon why she town read me and she said she didnt say that but the whole premise that i am simply misunderstanding her and not maliciously moving pieces to my advantage has a built in town read into it tbh

The reason i didnt love kiiruma’s post is it was pro my pov which alwaya makes me wary. Me at the top one of my biggest scum suspects at the bottom. But like it kind of feels like if kiiruma were scum and olivest was town he just votes olivest there instead of prodding the idle person.

I also found neon’s explanation that I am repeating a mistake from last game to be a fallacy. It was for sure appealing to my ego of not wanting to be wrong and the emotion in the post was misplaced. Neon wasnt fired up about this game but rather drawing from emotions from when she was mislynched as town which i see scum do to try to look fired up.

@Atlas @guavagudetama @Neon

Thoughta on where my head is at from things that happened before i left.

[Kiiruma]

I agree. I think me being annoyed is slightly NAI here because in general I do get frustrated by Zorvo a fair bit. In the BotF I was kinda high and dry mostly by myself so that added to my frustration.

I will recognise that as a wolf sometimes when I am “caught but for the wrong reasons” it annoys me even more than if I’m read wrong because one big thing I’ve said many times is I want to be readable. So being read as a wolf for something I’d do as town is tilting.

[Atlas]

i’ll keep it in mind
im not really looking for emotions either way, that only really works on bad players